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Serotonin posted:The leg assembly.... gently caress that I want a third one, but I don't want to build or paint it. Such is my suffering. I'll inevitably get one because I'm a powergaming arsehole, of course. The plus side to all this LGT fallout is that it's lit a fire under my friends to want to run something better, so maybe we'll have a BIG Bristol GT next year. Watch this space.
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I'm gonna buy a second one as I'm realising my current double Armiger list while fun and cool looking is suboptimal
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:Your Acolyte Hybrids generally want larger squads because otherwise you're Cult Ambushing to give up First Blood if you charge with more than one of them at a time. Also, the Heavy Rock Saw is pretty much the best pick for them, since it doesn't have -1 to hit and is cheaper than the Cutter. The only other deal is that Aberrants aren't going to swing for any targets against which the Primus himself would be effective--I found a mite more success throwing him in with Acolytes and using the Strategem on the Aberrants to get them where they're going. I was thinking to put the Acolytes in the Chimera, but some more bodies couldn't hurt. Good to know on the saw/cutter. Must have gotten the names mixed up. And I was putting the Primus with the Aberrants to counter balance the Hammers - 1 to hit.
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Corrode posted:
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Is 14 dragoons in an army that expensive? That's like $700 for half a 2000pt force which I guess is getting up there but doesn't sound absurd. How much do y'all's armies cost in comparison?
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mango sentinel posted:Is 14 dragoons in an army that expensive? That's like $700 for half a 2000pt force which I guess is getting up there but doesn't sound absurd. How much do y'all's armies cost in comparison? I just finished buying 2k of dark eldar so I can play this accursed edition of the game and all in it ended up being about 600 dollars. I got a lot of mileage out of both versions of the start collecting box but I also got extra venoms and a ravager squadron.
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mango sentinel posted:Is 14 dragoons in an army that expensive? That's like $700 for half a 2000pt force which I guess is getting up there but doesn't sound absurd. How much do y'all's armies cost in comparison? About £450 for like 3000pts, including me spending a bunch on making custom characters. So the price of basically my entire collection of assembled marines is equal to that ironstrider contingent. Its extremely expensive.
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This week on the 40k Badcast: -We get our episode title in record time -We begin the Ulysses of 40k fanfiction -Dan's gang gets dunked on https://40kbadcast.com/2018/05/23/40k-badcast-30-butt-swords-and-schlong-dongers/
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 30k, killed by 40k e. killed by specialist games actually, but whatever this is relevant here too
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Alokgen posted:I was thinking to put the Acolytes in the Chimera, but some more bodies couldn't hurt. Good to know on the saw/cutter. Must have gotten the names mixed up. And I was putting the Primus with the Aberrants to counter balance the Hammers - 1 to hit. Honestly making the Primus boost the Aberrants is leaning in hard to ensure they fuckin stomp whatever you throw them at--only 2A apiece, so it's not a bad idea at all, especially given how many times they've failed to do it for me. Acolytes don't tend to do whatever it is most troops do so much as mulch targets, be they vehicles or elite troops, so I never felt the inside of a Chimera was for them.
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Mango Polo posted:
They get around the impracticality of having the emperor in 30k by putting that fight in adeptus titanicus.
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I'm not sure I buy that. I mean, as funny as it would be I doubt they'd completely skip over the Dark Angels like this.
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Pendent posted:I'm not sure I buy that. I mean, as funny as it would be I doubt they'd completely skip over the Dark Angels like this. It kind of feels like there's no one at FW who wants to champion the Heresy anymore. Ongoing product purges, shifted resources to SG? At this point I'd assume the DA will get a pamphlet or something.
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Pendent posted:I'm not sure I buy that. I mean, as funny as it would be I doubt they'd completely skip over the Dark Angels like this. They'll just add them in at the end after the game is done - just like the real heresy!
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As a 30k dork angle player, I will be incredibly mad if we ever get actual models or finished legion rules. We don’t deserve nice things.
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Idk if having 2 heavy thunder hammers on vanguard that have to make it to melee after the DS nerf, and hit on 4s, is better than equivalent points of lascannons. Heavy thunder hammers are not good from a gameplay perspective but I'm still going to put one in my inevitable deathwatch vanguard squad for looks.
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Pendent posted:I'm not sure I buy that. I mean, as funny as it would be I doubt they'd completely skip over the Dark Angels like this. Maybe they know they don't have to do a Primarch model for them because GW proper is going to do a plastic Jonson
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Guy Goodbody posted:Maybe they know they don't have to do a Primarch model for them because GW proper is going to do a plastic Jonson There will be plenty of plastic johnsons in the Slaanesh range later this year
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:Honestly making the Primus boost the Aberrants is leaning in hard to ensure they fuckin stomp whatever you throw them at--only 2A apiece, so it's not a bad idea at all, especially given how many times they've failed to do it for me. Acolytes don't tend to do whatever it is most troops do so much as mulch targets, be they vehicles or elite troops, so I never felt the inside of a Chimera was for them. Gotcha. You think I should swap out the Chimera for a Rock Grinder, or bump up the numbers in the Acolytes? I'm leaning towards Rock Grinder just for more model diversity. This is the list with the Rock Grinder. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [82 PL, 1246pts] ++ + HQ + Magus [4 PL, 73pts]: Power: Might From Beyond Patriarch [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Mass Hypnosis, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Legendary Fighter Primus [4 PL, 76pts]: Bonesword + Troops + Acolyte Hybrids [10 PL, 105pts] . 4x Acolyte Hybrid . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw . Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cultist Knife Neophyte Hybrids [5 PL, 60pts] . 7x Neophyte Hybrid . Neophyte Hybrid (Special Weapon): Grenade Launcher . Neophyte Hybrid (Special Weapon): Grenade Launcher . Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol Neophyte Hybrids [5 PL, 60pts] . 7x Neophyte Hybrid . Neophyte Hybrid (Special Weapon): Grenade Launcher . Neophyte Hybrid (Special Weapon): Grenade Launcher . Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol + Elites + Aberrants [14 PL, 165pts] . Aberrant: Power Hammer . Aberrant: Power Hammer . Aberrant: Power Hammer . Aberrant: Power Hammer . Aberrant: Power Hammer Purestrain Genestealers [16 PL, 240pts]: 16x Purestrain Genestealer + Heavy Support + Cult Leman Russ [11 PL, 190pts]: 2x Heavy Bolter, Battle Cannon, Lascannon Goliath Rockgrinder [6 PL, 127pts]: Heavy Mining Laser, Heavy Stubber ++ Total: [82 PL, 1246pts] ++
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Serotonin posted:Do it. I'd come, I'd possibly be even up for helping out if needed Awesome. We're in very early pre-planning right now, which means we've already put in more thought than they did. On which note, I've turned up to a race today and there's a gigantic queue and it's horribly disorganised. Is this my fate now
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Corrode posted:Awesome. We're in very early pre-planning right now, which means we've already put in more thought than they did. On a related note when was that thing you were running in august on?
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Artum posted:On a related note when was that thing you were running in august on? 4th and 5th. https://www.facebook.com/events/2039667572955734/?ti=as
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Cheers. Since I dodged the bullet that was LGT I am slightly tempted to go and get reamed at a better run event instead.
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Artum posted:Cheers. You should definitely come! It will be much better run, with things like 'painted terrain' and 'an organiser who's actually present.'
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chutche2 posted:Heavy thunder hammers are not good from a gameplay perspective but I'm still going to put one in my inevitable deathwatch vanguard squad for looks. Heavy Thunder Hammers are such ridiculous overpriced garbage. 30 points for something exclusively available to 2 attack models, barely stronger than a regular thunder hammer, and about 1/3rd the time actually weaker. At that price point it should be Sx4, AP-4, Dam 3+D3. Bare minimum Sx3 so it can at least wound T5 and 6 on 2's.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Heavy Thunder Hammers are such ridiculous overpriced garbage. 30 points for something exclusively available to 2 attack models, barely stronger than a regular thunder hammer, and about 1/3rd the time actually weaker. At that price point it should be Sx4, AP-4, Dam 3+D3. Bare minimum Sx3 so it can at least wound T5 and 6 on 2's. They got a lot better with the doctrine stratagems so now on 5+ its dealing flat 6 damage per hit thats wounding t8 on 3+s.
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Mango Polo posted:It kind of feels like there's no one at FW who wants to champion the Heresy anymore. Ongoing product purges, shifted resources to SG? At this point I'd assume the DA will get a pamphlet or something. It'll be a business card with a single rule: Calibanite Wisdom: If a DARK ANGELS army is defeated, change its allegiance to the opposing armies; the DARK ANGELS army has also won.
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Artum posted:They got a lot better with the doctrine stratagems so now on 5+ its dealing flat 6 damage per hit thats wounding t8 on 3+s. They're better, but spending 2CPs to get an average 2.1 wounds to a Land Raider isn't really worth it. Even with a Watch Master and Mission Tactics, that only bumps it up to 3.7 expected wounds. To compare, a regular Thunder Hammer will do 1.3 wounds to a Land Raider with the same strat, or 2.4 with Watch Master/Mission Tactics. You're also giving up a Bolter/Storm Bolter to take a HTH. The potential for burst damage with the HTH can't be discounted, but it's at such a cost on a 1W model.
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I think I saw that the Vanguard squad you guys were talking about was 170 pts for 5 single-wound models. That averages 34ppm which is way, way too high especially when considering the fact that Deathwatch don't have good tools for getting stuff into assault out of deepstrike. For context, Sanguinary Guard are 35ppm and every model has a 2+ save, 2 wounds, a decent 12" ap-1 bolter and the choice between a power fist or a force weapon equivalent. With the addition of The Red Thirst they're pumping out a ton of damage and have easy ways to buff them with more attacks, more strength and rerolls. Those Sanguinary Guard are generally considered to just be OK for their cost. In comparison those Vanguard Vets are far too expensive for the value you can expect to get out of them.
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SteelMentor posted:https://regimental-standard.com/2018/05/23/thousands-liberated-by-sir-hekhtur/ Looks like it.
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I have a primaris only army of the raptors chapter. I have bits lying around for a deathwatch squad (5 intercessors 5 hellblasters ), I'm thinking about a patrol detachment to get to paint something that ain't green. How would these guys fare against vehicles?
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Dropping 5 Standard Hellblasters (with 5 Bolt gun chumps) from the Teleportarium, with a Watch Captain, and the correct tactic with +1 to wound strategem: 10 shots Hitting on 3s, rerolling 1s Wounding on 3s, rerolling 1s Does 12.1 damage to a Leman Russ, killing it. 10 x 4/6 x 7/6 x 4/6 x 7/6 x 2 = 12.1 So that is doing 168 points of damage with 170 points of effort in one turn. The Intercessors don't do that much damage, but with their 10 wounds, you might get to shoot next turb. The Intercessors with Vengeance rounds from their Bolt Rifles could add another 3.8 damage. 10 x 4/6 x 7/6 x 3/6 x 7/6 x 5/6=3.8 Mathematically: reroll ones is an effect of 7/6 for hit or wound. Edit; bring 10 Hellblasters and kill 2 tanks. dexefiend fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 23, 2018 |
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Artum posted:Cheers. Meeting warhams goons IRL turns out to be cool and good, you should come along. One_Wing fucked around with this message at 23:03 on May 23, 2018 |
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Took 2000 points to the club tonight for a game against Drukhari: Was a pretty crushing victory for me, mainly thanks to three factors: 1) deep strike changes meant that half the Drukhari army was off the board round 1. 2) I got first turn. 3) The Y'Vahra is an absolute beast. This was my first match with it, and it did very well mainly thanks to its overcharged flamer. I used escape thrust t1 to take it off the board, ready to respond to whatever raider drops the Drukhari did, and thanks to the Bork'An tenet giving the flamer 14" range that response was very spicy. I think the list would struggle more against a similarly range - focused army, but I feel like Tau are in a great place now. Next in the painting booth... Murder clowns.
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dexefiend posted:Edit; bring 10 Hellblasters and kill 2 tanks. This is why I think I would be inclined to take Hellblasters as a dedicated HS choice. It also depresses the utility of Inceptors with Plasma Exterminators since a deep striking squad of Hellblasters gets a better AP and more reliable output. Technically three Inceptors would deal 6d3 shots so an average of 2 more attacks.
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Eifert Posting posted:FW probably just realizes Dangles are dumb. Fantasy booking would be they do a burning of prospero style standalone game With past/current lion and luther and a bunch of old timey dark angels to act as a fallen release.
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