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PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so
It's the Tall Eames in the all grain

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Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
Aw, I love houseplants. I don't really know what the trends are right now besides succulents in geometric planters, which is cute enough, but every kitchen window could use a plant and it's just nice to have them around. It's just nice to have green things.

Metaline
Aug 20, 2003


My kitchen window is full of herbs and vegetables because I live in an apartment. The living room has air cleaning plants because I live on a busy road in a big city. I feel like most homes I visit have houseplants of some kind.

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.


I’ve had sit stand desks before but just ended up sitting 100% of the time after the novelty wore off. I have a soft pad executive chair now but I got rid of my swag leg desk when I moved. And the chair needs to be replaced I think

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


peanut posted:

I hate your sink and hope you hate it too :sadpeanut:

While I would never hope someone hates their choices, I was thinking of going for a sink like that when I realised the only things I sink wash are too large or specialised to go in the dishwasher, so actually a larger sink would make sense.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


My parents have a sink like that and it's very frustrating to hand-wash dishes in, or stack cups because the drain is right in the middle. The open countertop looks nice... before you ever cook or wash dishes or live a life.

HelloIAmYourHeart
Dec 29, 2008
Fallen Rib

Parachute posted:

gently caress collecting stuff that just sits there as fuel for the fire. you're better off hollowing out those books and using them to hide guns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEcESltqTcY

One of the few practical projects Waterjet Channel has ever done.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so

peanut posted:

My parents have a sink like that and it's very frustrating to hand-wash dishes in, or stack cups because the drain is right in the middle. The open countertop looks nice... before you ever cook or wash dishes or live a life.

Jaded Burnout posted:

While I would never hope someone hates their choices, I was thinking of going for a sink like that when I realised the only things I sink wash are too large or specialised to go in the dishwasher, so actually a larger sink would make sense.

I cook six days a week, and the small sink is excellent. It takes up less room and forces me to deal with the dishes instead of just piling them in the sink and forgetting about it. After cooking, it's just sliding the dishes in the dishwasher, washing out a pan or two, and wiping the surfaces. The entire process takes less than 5 minutes, and I've got a clean kitchen every night.

My parents always claimed they "needed" a big sink, until I realized they were just using it as an open storage hole for dirty cookware. Like you wouldn't put that just sitting in a pile on the counter, but for some reason when it's in the sink it's just fine to leave it for three days.

Also, having no lip on the sink to the counter is great; just wipe everything from the counters into the sink and rinse it out. Everyone should have this.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


PRADA SLUT posted:

I cook six days a week, and the small sink is excellent. It takes up less room and forces me to deal with the dishes instead of just piling them in the sink and forgetting about it. After cooking, it's just sliding the dishes in the dishwasher, washing out a pan or two, and wiping the surfaces. The entire process takes less than 5 minutes, and I've got a clean kitchen every night.

My parents always claimed they "needed" a big sink, until I realized they were just using it as an open storage hole for dirty cookware. Like you wouldn't put that just sitting in a pile on the counter, but for some reason when it's in the sink it's just fine to leave it for three days.

Also, having no lip on the sink to the counter is great; just wipe everything from the counters into the sink and rinse it out. Everyone should have this.

I’m not a sink-leaver, not my style, but I do find normal sized sinks a pain for cleaning the oddly shaped things I cook with, like oven trays, stock pots, and frying pans.

So if I’m going to have a sink for washing those things I may as well get one geared to them specially.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

underage at the vape shop posted:

i find them tacky. E: I think plants in houses is a very American thing, you don't really see indoor plants in Australia like you do on the internet. Over here you might have a lil cactus or a bonsai, but bigger plants are for waiting rooms. Maybe it's different in the bigger cities but Brisbane is very green outside anyway, even in the city itself, so maybe people here just don't feel the need. I'm within an hour from the cbd and I'm within day trip distance to quite a lot of forests, mountains and national parks. I can just go outside and be surrounded by a million cockatoos in a million gumtrees. Maybe also, subreddits like r/malelivingspace have made me think bad of them because You Need Plants is something they obsess about, and they have plants just to have plants, they use them terribly.

lmao what

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Jaded Burnout posted:

I’m not a sink-leaver, not my style, but I do find normal sized sinks a pain for cleaning the oddly shaped things I cook with, like oven trays, stock pots, and frying pans.

So if I’m going to have a sink for washing those things I may as well get one geared to them specially.

I can't imagine trying to clean a big frying pan or soup pot without being able to fit the entire thing into the sink. It sounds like a pain in the rear end and a recipe for getting water everywhere.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


TooMuchAbstraction posted:

I can't imagine trying to clean a big frying pan or soup pot without being able to fit the entire thing into the sink. It sounds like a pain in the rear end and a recipe for getting water everywhere.

Don't get me started on cutting boards.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so


hmm

I guess I just can't see a situation where you would need to have more than five cooking pots (or equivalent) in the sink for simultaneous washing and so frequently that it warrants sacrificing other space for it. Especially space like countertops which get used more frequently and more flexibly.

Then again, I also don't understand why people spend tens of thousands of dollars buying and maintaining "guest rooms" that get used like twice a year either. I get if you use things constantly you should have them regardless, but I see so many decisions made for the "what if" scenario, not for the "what do I use all the time".

On a side note, I read somewhere that if you take how much you're paying for space (like your cost per square foot) and then piece out how much space things take up (like a piece of furniture or an unused guest room), you get an amount of money it costs to maintain that item or area, and a pseudo-opportunity-cost. If you wouldn't pay that much for whatever it is, you should rethink the area or get rid of the item.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
I don't think anyone post-Boomers has an actual dedicated guest room anymore. They're just WFH offices with a daybed, hobby rooms with a daybed, kids' playrooms with a daybed, home gyms with a daybed, etc. Which are still expensive, but at least get a ton more use.

whalesteak
May 6, 2013

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

I can't imagine trying to clean a big frying pan or soup pot without being able to fit the entire thing into the sink. It sounds like a pain in the rear end and a recipe for getting water everywhere.

Sorry, but if you want an oversized or double bowl sink it's an indication that you must be a slob and have chosen an inferior family-raising lifestyle over the obviously superior "minimalist bachelor" option you should have locked in the moment you graduated.

Don't even try to tell me you need do things like bathe your children, wash high chair trays, roasting pans or Dutch ovens, soak grill/oven racks or occasionally scrub an entire car seat in your oversized sink, bc I'm prepared to tell you in detail why you're wrong and how I would do it better.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so
I feel like if you have to scrub an entire car seat you'd be better off using the bathtub or doing it outside, not trying to cram it into the kitchen sink.

Anne Whateley posted:

I don't think anyone post-Boomers has an actual dedicated guest room anymore. They're just WFH offices with a daybed, hobby rooms with a daybed, kids' playrooms with a daybed, home gyms with a daybed, etc. Which are still expensive, but at least get a ton more use.

Plus, if they get bored they might do your taxes / sewing / childcare / car seat scrubbing. It's a win-win.

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy
Tubs don't have the spray nozzle.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Your sink is much bigger than it looked in the full kitchen view photo ^____^ I am relieved!! Peace be unto you!

For cutting boards I just use flat-cut milk cartons and throw them away :devil:

Suspect Bucket
Jan 15, 2012

SHRIMPDOR WAS A MAN
I mean, HE WAS A SHRIMP MAN
er, maybe also A DRAGON
or possibly
A MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM
BUT HE WAS STILL
SHRIMPDOR
I want a lip less sink that is big enough to clean a cookie sheet. I also want a slop sink out back for cleaning big things like giant stock pots and my winter boots.

Qwijib0
Apr 10, 2007

Who needs on-field skills when you can dance like this?

Fun Shoe
own enough cutting boards that you can go several days and put them in the dishwasher.

same with pots.

and half-sheet sheet pans.

only hand-wash your hands imo

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
I am not putting my handmade end-grain cutting board in the dishwasher.

Qwijib0
Apr 10, 2007

Who needs on-field skills when you can dance like this?

Fun Shoe
I also assume that you're not cutting things on it that require copious amounts of scrubbing in a giant sink. I'm talking the cheap flexible ones you can get from a restaurant supply for a buck or two.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

PRADA SLUT posted:

I also don't understand why people spend tens of thousands of dollars buying and maintaining "guest rooms" that get used like twice a year either.

Its for people who have friends. The more friendly you are, the more they get used, the more cost effective they become.

I spend less than tens of thousands of dollars maintaining my guest room. Like, once, it looked like it was going to collapse or implode or something, so I hoovered it. It was fine after that.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Its for people who have friends. The more friendly you are, the more they get used, the more cost effective they become.

I spend less than tens of thousands of dollars maintaining my guest room. Like, once, it looked like it was going to collapse or implode or something, so I hoovered it. It was fine after that.

Not when you consider how much it’s costing you per square foot, unless you’ve got some incredibly cheap property.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
If you aren't using the room for anything otherwise, and aren't interested in becoming a landlord, what else would you do with the room? Or are you supposing that you'd instead buy a house that's exactly equivalent to the one you have, just with one fewer room?

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

If you aren't using the room for anything otherwise, and aren't interested in becoming a landlord, what else would you do with the room? Or are you supposing that you'd instead buy a house that's exactly equivalent to the one you have, just with one fewer room?

The idea is there's a financial / opportunity cost associated with it.


If you're maintaining an area, that becomes space you can't use for something else, therefore opportunity cost. This goes for any area, any room. Expanding on this, if you've got furniture / decorations inside an area, you can't use that space for something different (or have open, walkable space). Some items, such as beds, kitchens, or furniture you use are easily the trade-off. Others, such as ~foyer chair wealth~, rarely-used guest rooms, or closets. It's a question of what the best use of the space is. If I put a refrigerator box in the middle of the room, I can't use the space it takes up for anything else, short of a fortress to defend against monster invasions.

Financially, you pay for every space in your place, regardless of how it's used and what it's used for. Therefore, you can consider "removing" usable space by putting things in it as if it was "costing" some amount of money, based on the price per square foot in your place. By the above example, the cardboard box in the middle of the room not only has an opportunity cost of not being able to put something different there, but a financial cost of removing 'livable' space from the room.

It's not a mathematical formula or anything, it's just a way of thinking about what you're adding and what you're giving up when you make decisions about rooms and the items therein.


There's no "perfect" layout for places, and often you sacrifice the exact layout you want based on other factors, such as what houses are available and what you can afford, but it's still worth considering what you're paying for in your space, and what you're giving up by using that space in a given way. And sure, given the choice, I would take a house without an "extra" room and remove the price for that room from the bill, assuming the possibility.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
I'm perfectly aware of what opportunity costs are. I'm just saying that sometimes you can't find a house that's the perfect size, so the one you buy has a room that doesn't really have a good use. You can leave it empty, or you can put it to some marginal use like being a guest bedroom or workout room or etc.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


PRADA SLUT posted:



hmm

I guess I just can't see a situation where you would need to have more than five cooking pots (or equivalent) in the sink for simultaneous washing and so frequently that it warrants sacrificing other space for it. Especially space like countertops which get used more frequently and more flexibly.

Yeah that sink is bigger than it looks. I don't need to put more than one item in it, I just want it big enough to put one large (kitchen) item in it, like a 60cm wide grill tray. My current sink don't do that.

Anne Whateley posted:

I don't think anyone post-Boomers has an actual dedicated guest room anymore. They're just WFH offices with a daybed, hobby rooms with a daybed, kids' playrooms with a daybed, home gyms with a daybed, etc. Which are still expensive, but at least get a ton more use.

I do. When I designed my place for the renovation I put a guest bedroom in specifically. It's downstairs where the PO had a second living room. I split the space into a downstairs/guest bathroom and bedroom, so the bathroom gets regular use but the bedroom will sit idle when not being visited.

I have a group of friends who stay a couple of days every few months, so it'll be good to have something stable for them, plus my mother visits from time to time and I consider it something of a restitution to maintain somewhere for her to stay.

If I had a smaller house it would be the first thing to go.

(I also have a dedicated WFH office, hobby room, and cinema room)

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I can't imagine having so much room that I'd be complaining about wasted space or empty closets. Then, I tend to like having lots of STUFF


Jaded Burnout posted:

Yeah that sink is bigger than it looks.

Pots smol

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

The Bloop posted:

I can't imagine having so much room that I'd be complaining about wasted space or empty closets. Then, I tend to like having lots of STUFF


Pots smol



Kitchen Tiny

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Every time someone stays in my guest room I find myself unable to sleep, sitting outside their(my) door, just locked in a cycle of thought about the lost opportunity cost of the floor space their inert, piece of poo poo, sleeping body is costing me financially. I list my house for sale, raging. I realise by selecting the one digit higher number on the drop down box I have opened myself up to a much larger, more affluent customer base of deranged bedroom wanting lunatics and suddenly a zen like calm comes over me. It's OK I hear myself tell myself whilst still listening to myself, the value has been retained. Financially. I delist my house for sale and exhale. I am able to move freely through the thankfully furniture free parts of my house back to my bedroom and fall instantly asleep on the dust cover wrapped tiny matress whose value I am keen to protect.

loving lol.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
I feel bad here frankly. and will return with bad things for people to tell me I suck about.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


lol 2 u

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


It's been bothering me for a while what seemed so out of place for the american habit of adding bars to their house.

I mean, there's the general thought that adding smaller private versions of normally shared things is a bit of a disease of suburbia (or hypersensitive introvert in my case), but there was something nagging me about the bar specifically.

Last night I think I figured it out. Things like a pool, cinema, gym, these are all things where they're set up for optimal enjoyment of the activity even when shrunk down, but a bar is not configured for the enjoyment of the patrons, it's set up to serve as many people as possible as fast as possible. So putting one in a house makes no sense at all and feels like some ritual cargo culting.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
Are you talking about like full wet bars on the patio? People think they're going to have a lot more parties than they actually do. :ms:

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Basement ones.

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

Just buy a nice MCM drinks cabinet and proudly display your Jonnie walker white label and stolen pint glasses

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

Jaded Burnout posted:

Basement ones.

They're mostly for ambiance. Most of the ones I've seen used much were guys who missed sitting at the bar to watch the game but had families now, so had their buddies over and built a dive bar in their basement.

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peanut
Sep 9, 2007


In elementary school, my bff's 90s McMansion had it all - lawyer foyer, unused guest parlor, jacuzzi tub, dusty basement bar, model train table.

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