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They had the two girls in the latest episode and could've just gone for cutesy BearGguys or SD Gundams as they're one-off secondary characters. Instead they showed they're massive Seed Destiny fans, the poor misguided things, with a Gaia Gundam and (I THINK?) a Murasame. Neither of which are girly or particularly mainstream.
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People are mostly salty from fumina
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May 23, 2018 11:56
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Tae posted:People are mostly salty from fumina Which I can't get because the Star Winning was the second coolest MS in the series, only behind Tryon 3.
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May 23, 2018 12:10
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I rather enjoyed this episode and am now very curious to find out just how old Ayame is supposed to be out of the game. That was definitely one of the most hamfisted conflicts ever though. Never have I felt the heavy hand of somebody saying "Every episode must have a gunpla fight!" more than this one.
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May 23, 2018 12:17
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Neddy Seagoon posted:They had the two girls in the latest episode and could've just gone for cutesy BearGguys or SD Gundams as they're one-off secondary characters. Instead they showed they're massive Seed Destiny fans, the poor misguided things, with a Gaia Gundam and (I THINK?) a Murasame. Neither of which are girly or particularly mainstream. Well, technically they’re both piloted by girls in the show, but that’s it.
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May 23, 2018 12:20
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Blaze Dragon posted:Which I can't get because the Star Winning was the second coolest MS in the series, only behind Tryon 3. Because the Winning Gundam's entire existence was about benching Fumina ASAP so Sekai could look good with an oversized fist. Overlord K posted:I rather enjoyed this episode and am now very curious to find out just how old Ayame is supposed to be out of the game. You mean the fight that lasted all of two hits and was more about showing what Break Decals do?
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May 23, 2018 12:26
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Overlord K posted:I rather enjoyed this episode and am now very curious to find out just how old Ayame is supposed to be out of the game. It's a fairly common thing in Gundam, really. Even Turn A had some clear fights for the sake of fights. I know IBO had a fair number of episodes without mech fights, and 0080 had them be pretty minor most of the time, but I'm struggling to remember what other shows didn't bother with a mech fight of the week.
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May 23, 2018 12:50
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I wonder how long until the RX-Zeromaru transforms into a HG style suite like the Winning Gundam. The bird backpack thing it has is very obviously made of transformation parts.
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May 23, 2018 15:35
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I'll admit that I don't really get why folks seem kind of down on the conflict. Didn't GBF also had some forced conflict around this point too? There was that part in the inn where they fought debt collectors, or the China vs. Caroline fight. Anyway, I'd totally kill for an episode that showed us that Dancing With The GunPla event. 
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May 23, 2018 17:28
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amigolupus posted:I'll admit that I don't really get why folks seem kind of down on the conflict. Didn't GBF also had some forced conflict around this point too? There was that part in the inn where they fought debt collectors, or the China vs. Caroline fight. What GBD really needs going forward is an off-beat episode every so often running some of the implied weird/fun mission types.
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May 23, 2018 17:37
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amigolupus posted:I'll admit that I don't really get why folks seem kind of down on the conflict. Didn't GBF also had some forced conflict around this point too? There was that part in the inn where they fought debt collectors, or the China vs. Caroline fight. tbh i don't have an encyclopedic memory of gbf but also don't really care whether it had some dodgy writing that this (overall worse) series has doubled down on. it would be a testament to the strength of gbf that its strengths managed to transcend that sort of thing, whereas this show hasn't managed it.
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May 23, 2018 17:44
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Because the Winning Gundam's entire existence was about benching Fumina ASAP so Sekai could look good with an oversized fist. Luminaflare posted:I wonder how long until the RX-Zeromaru transforms into a HG style suite like the Winning Gundam. The bird backpack thing it has is very obviously made of transformation parts. This season seems to be focused on kitbashes, with a few actually custom suits. So I wouldn't hold my breath but it is possible. amigolupus posted:I'll admit that I don't really get why folks seem kind of down on the conflict. Didn't GBF also had some forced conflict around this point too? There was that part in the inn where they fought debt collectors, or the China vs. Caroline fight. The fight here just comes up either zero establishment. But I think it's mostly people already tired of decal break that any focus on it feels like the show is trying to tank it'sown ratings.
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May 23, 2018 17:49
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The exact remark We were both replying to was this; Tae posted:People are mostly salty from fumina And anyone can tell you that it wasn't because of the Star Winning Gundam. It was because her role in the first half of the season was, very painfully clearly, to make Sekai look good and not actually contribute herself.
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May 23, 2018 17:54
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The exact remark We were both replying to was this; Weird how you quoted this Blaze Dragon posted:Which I can't get because the Star Winning was the second coolest MS in the series, only behind Tryon 3. And responded with Neddy Seagoon posted:Because the Winning Gundam's entire existence was about benching Fumina ASAP so Sekai could look good with an oversized fist. And no her sole purpose was not to make Sekai look good. But I'm not gonna force you to watch a meh show.
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May 23, 2018 18:14
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I'd be fine with decal break if it actually seemed to do anything. Anyone who ever used it gets effortlessly bodied.
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May 23, 2018 18:17
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Sazabi posted:Weird how you quoted this Blaze's post was replying to the one I mentioned. It's called "having a conversation"  .Sazabi posted:And no her sole purpose was not to make Sekai look good. But I'm not gonna force you to watch a meh show. How would you define a mobile suit whose sole purpose was to disengage from the fight completely, surrender any form of independent action, and become equipment for the de-facto protagonist in what's supposed to be a team fight?  The show itself even drives this one home, because they talk about it when she starts looking for ideas for what becomes the Star Winning Gundam. Neddy Seagoon fucked around with this message at 18:26 on May 23, 2018 |
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May 23, 2018 18:21
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Monaghan posted:I'd be fine with decal break if it actually seemed to do anything. Anyone who ever used it gets effortlessly bodied. No kidding, for a literally illegal powerup, it sure is completely loving worthless. I can't even care about the glitches because we've seen they are completely temporary and easily stopped by merely stopping the Break Decal instead so...why are they worried about them again?
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May 23, 2018 18:38
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Blaze Dragon posted:No kidding, for a literally illegal powerup, it sure is completely loving worthless. I can't even care about the glitches because we've seen they are completely temporary and easily stopped by merely stopping the Break Decal instead so...why are they worried about them again? I believe there to be lasting effects and shut will start to malfunction without anyone using them after a certain amount of damage is done. Thankfully it can be all fixed with a Gunpla battle.
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May 23, 2018 18:47
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Blaze Dragon posted:No kidding, for a literally illegal powerup, it sure is completely loving worthless. I can't even care about the glitches because we've seen they are completely temporary and easily stopped by merely stopping the Break Decal instead so...why are they worried about them again? It's also a problem that should be solved by the game's admins and GMs with account bans and bug fixes instead of a problem that should be solved by the players going and beating up the hackers. Like it sure is convenient that evil hooded hackerman designed evil hacks that gently caress up the world but the user can turn them off at any point and when they are deactivated(willingly or unwillingly) all the problems caused by them vanish for some reason.
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May 23, 2018 19:54
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Kanos posted:It's also a problem that should be solved by the game's admins and GMs with account bans and bug fixes instead of a problem that should be solved by the players going and beating up the hackers. I know it's a semi metaphor for drugs so they can't play it in a positive way. But just once someone needs to win with the help of Learn your weapons triangle. Protagonists beat antagonist but is weak to mentors. While Mentors are super effective against protagonists, while loosing to antagonist characters.
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May 23, 2018 20:15
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the drug metaphor is really weak
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May 23, 2018 20:39
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dogsicle posted:the drug metaphor is really weak Agreed,. everyone knows the real drug is gunpla itself.
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May 23, 2018 20:57
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Mordja posted:Agreed,. everyone knows the real drug is gunpla itself. Injection-mold it right in my veins.
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May 23, 2018 22:52
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I love that you can buy parts in-game, and then have them injection molded to use in real life.
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May 23, 2018 23:27
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Kanos posted:It's also a problem that should be solved by the game's admins and GMs with account bans and bug fixes instead of a problem that should be solved by the players going and beating up the hackers. Why is the game returning to nornal when the illegal hack goes away such a sore point for you? It's exactly what most code would actually do. Also I think you missed Riku telling that girl how if she used a Break Decal she'd never get to play GBN ever again.
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May 24, 2018 02:10
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Why is the game returning to nornal when the illegal hack goes away such a sore point for you? It's exactly what most code would actually do. Because it sort of kills the threat level behind the hacks if both everyone using them is a chump and all the damage they can do is immediately and totally negated the moment they lose, fail, or change their minds? If the idea is that they're supposed to be threatening because they literally break the world and gently caress with the fundamental rules of the game, it's a lot more interesting if their influence lingers after the fact; then it becomes important for our plucky band of heroes to figure out the source of these things and stop their use in the first place. Riku's line didn't really make any sense, because he said that line in the middle of her rampage. If using a break decal was enough to get you banned or removed, well, uh, too bad; she already used it! Just because she changed her mind doesn't mean she didn't already break the rules. That and if the administration is on point enough that people who use these things will get banned, why is the Champion Of All Gunpla so concerned about them that he feels the need to go undercover to figure out how to stop them? Kanos fucked around with this message at 02:47 on May 24, 2018 |
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May 24, 2018 02:44
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Kanos posted:Because it sort of kills the threat level behind the hacks if both everyone using them is a chump and all the damage they can do is immediately and totally negated the moment they lose, fail, or change their minds? If the idea is that they're supposed to be threatening because they literally break the world and gently caress with the fundamental rules of the game, it's a lot more interesting if their influence lingers after the fact; then it becomes important for our plucky band of heroes to figure out the source of these things and stop their use in the first place. Are you completely unfamiliar with how any online games work? The concept of backup/disposable accounts? Admins don't just have to know a hack's going on, they need to sift through a shitload of log data to find the cause. And being able to to turn it off is infinitely worse, because it means that some rear end in a top hat can just pop it on, gently caress with a shitload of people, and turn it off without anyone spotting who caused the bugs. What, Break Boosting? No, nothing going on here, I owned that scrub fair and square  ...
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May 24, 2018 02:50
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Kanos posted:Because it sort of kills the threat level behind the hacks if both everyone using them is a chump and all the damage they can do is immediately and totally negated the moment they lose, fail, or change their minds? If the idea is that they're supposed to be threatening because they literally break the world and gently caress with the fundamental rules of the game, it's a lot more interesting if their influence lingers after the fact; then it becomes important for our plucky band of heroes to figure out the source of these things and stop their use in the first place. Except we've seen an instance of "people use Break Decals, get owned, poo poo fails to go back to normal" in the episode where the champ went undercover and met Riku and his friends. The Devil Gundam from that scenario they were playing still kept up its rampage even after the three Mass Divers got owned and were no longer a factor in the battle. There's also the matter of the Leo that suddenly came back to life during Riku and Yuuki's first sortie, but that's an oddity in that there wasn't anyone using a Break Decal nearby (unless it was something happening in the area but off-screen). While that could indicate that there's more at work going on here than just the Break Decals loving up the game's code, the way the more experienced players have been talking about it sounds like these kinds of things weren't happening until Break Decals started to become more widespread. Since there is direct evidence that using the Break Decals fucks up the game in the local area, they're working on the assumption that repeated use of them might be doing long term damage to the game that's not immediately apparent even after things go "back to normal" once the Break Decal is deactivated.
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May 24, 2018 02:59
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Are you completely unfamiliar with how any online games work? The concept of backup/disposable accounts? Admins don't just have to know a hack's going on, they need to sift through a shitload of log data to find the cause. And being able to to turn it off is infinitely worse, because it means that some rear end in a top hat can just pop it on, gently caress with a shitload of people, and turn it off without anyone spotting who caused the bugs. What, Break Boosting? No, nothing going on here, I owned that scrub fair and square There's tons of bots and trainers for real life MMOs that you can toggle on and off and they get banned in droves by any remotely competent company, and those are in games where you're not required to full dive VR and can multi box and hide behind VPNs. Hacking or running a bot once in something like WoW is something that gets noticed and you will get banned even weeks and months after the fact, even if you stopped using the hack months ago(I had a friend who got banned 9 months after he ran a bot and when he contested it they gave him a exact time span of his bot usage!) Poor Destiny Girl would be hosed from the moment she hit the yes button.
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May 24, 2018 03:15
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The entire concept of scanning a Gunpla is a massive security hole. God only knows what kind of adversarial examples you could put into a Gunpla.
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May 24, 2018 03:20
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Guy Goodbody posted:The entire concept of scanning a Gunpla is a massive security hole. God only knows what kind of adversarial examples you could put into a Gunpla. I full expect to learn that Break Decals are literal stickers on the gunpla themselves. Kanos posted:There's tons of bots and trainers for real life MMOs that you can toggle on and off and they get banned in droves by any remotely competent company, and those are in games where you're not required to full dive VR and can multi box and hide behind VPNs. Hacking or running a bot once in something like WoW is something that gets noticed and you will get banned even weeks and months after the fact, even if you stopped using the hack months ago(I had a friend who got banned 9 months after he ran a bot and when he contested it they gave him a exact time span of his bot usage!) Poor Destiny Girl would be hosed from the moment she hit the yes button. And she was just some average player using to be stronger with some catastrophic effects on a wide nearby area as a mere side-effect? What do you think happens when someone turns their decal on specifically for the bugs to damage the game? Things would go right down the toilet if someone popped one in one of those lobby/city areas, even for just a few minutes.
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Guy Goodbody posted:The entire concept of scanning a Gunpla is a massive security hole. God only knows what kind of adversarial examples you could put into a Gunpla. Lego Dimensions was a really weird thing that "scanned" lego things into the game, but because it was one RFID chip and not connected to every piece or whatever, you had to build the actual thing on the box. I think it would be really funny to see like rogue builders 3d printing their own illegal parts and making some sort of Gurren Lagann-esque monstrosity.
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AtheistMantis posted:Call me mystified. Just how many people recognize the obscure Mobile BuCue but have no idea what a Gaia Gundam is? IMHO looks more like a LaGowe anyway. To be fair the first third of SEED aired on Toonami*, while Destiny never got TV broadcast here in the US due to Gundam's popularity tanking during SEED's run *SEED is the one time I'm in favor of US censorship for Anime, it's a shame they stopped it's Toonami run before the end parts of the show cause pretty much the one thing keeping me from rewatching SEED is those random bits of hyper gore they stuck in every now and then(it's telling that pretty much the only other shows that have gotten a similar amount of disgust out of me were Blood C and Psycho-Pass) Neddy Seagoon posted:The exact remark We were both replying to was this; She's basically what Sakura was in the first couple of arcs of Naruto was, a useless waste of space there to make Naruto and Sasuke look interesting(since they were themselves dull as dishwater till near the end of the Chuunin Exams)
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Taintrunner posted:Lego Dimensions was a really weird thing that "scanned" lego things into the game, but because it was one RFID chip and not connected to every piece or whatever, you had to build the actual thing on the box. They don't give any details on how a gunpla gets scanned or translated to the game. So maybe a thick lead paint, or metal shield could be scanned as invulnerable. Or even program your account to give your gunpla the Akatsuki reflect all beams treatment. They also give no indication if model grade/size matters. So a $300 dollar perfect grade could enter a force battle with a bunch of high grades.
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May 24, 2018 07:38
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In Gundam Breaker 3 they make you fight a Perfect Grade with HGs, actually
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drrockso20 posted:*SEED is the one time I'm in favor of US censorship for Anime, it's a shame they stopped it's Toonami run before the end parts of the show cause pretty much the one thing keeping me from rewatching SEED is those random bits of hyper gore they stuck in every now and then(it's telling that pretty much the only other shows that have gotten a similar amount of disgust out of me were Blood C and Psycho-Pass) To be fair, there's a point to it in Psycho-Pass regarding desensitization to violence. Especially since it means Akane's able to stay completely calm and mentally-stable even when watching a latent criminal burst into bloody chunks at the pull of a trigger  .Sazabi posted:They don't give any details on how a gunpla gets scanned or translated to the game. So maybe a thick lead paint, or metal shield could be scanned as invulnerable. Or even program your account to give your gunpla the Akatsuki reflect all beams treatment. You mean aside from "place on the platform, scanning light goes up the model"?. Metal parts aren't anything new either, everyone noticed Sei was using metal for the barrel of the Build Strike's upgraded cannon.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:To be fair, there's a point to it in Psycho-Pass regarding desensitization to violence. Especially since it means Akane's able to stay completely calm and mentally-stable even when watching a latent criminal burst into bloody chunks at the pull of a trigger Honestly those guns having a death setting is the thing that makes the least sense, considering they have a stun setting that from my recollection was basically completely reliable in stopping human targets But then everything about that show's setting was pretty clearly designed for two things; 1) to do one of those hackneyed "everything and everyone sucks and there's no point in trying to change anything" kind of shows, and 2) satisfy the gore fetish the people involved in that show very clearly had
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Kanos posted:It's also a problem that should be solved by the game's admins and GMs with account bans and bug fixes instead of a problem that should be solved by the players going and beating up the hackers. GBD going the .hack route of moderation: having PCs handle it with the mods/admins being something of an infrequently invoked god. We all know that if it were realistic there'd be Chinese parts farmers questing like mad for the equivalent of the STL file for the IRL printable parts, basically turning the game into Reamde. "100% FAST BEST PRICE GOLDPLA FARMING" "WTB [Tryonfury, Blessed GN Rifle of the Boy who Called the Windseeker] PST" "repairadin LFG A Baoa Qu Core, PST"
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MJP posted:GBD going the .hack route of moderation: having PCs handle it with the mods/admins being something of an infrequently invoked god. wtf beam weapons are for n00bs, use solid ammo  .1v1 fite me, RX-78-02, beam blades only! 
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Neddy Seagoon posted:wtf beam weapons are for n00bs, use solid ammo See I would love that. Some sort of hardcore over the top Ball only fight club
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