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Josef bugman posted:Who is Mearls? Mike Mearls is a performatively progressive piece of poo poo who acts concerned when you point out that he has two harassers credited as consultants, and then after everyone sends in their evidence and first-hand accounts forwards them to at least one of the harassers involved, then says that there's no evidence that they were poo poo people. This is on top of him setting the game back by god knows how many years, but that's just a personal grudge.
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Darksaber posted:
Not even mad.
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May 23, 2018 20:44
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Darksaber posted:Mike Mearls is a performatively progressive piece of poo poo who acts concerned when you point out that he has two harassers credited as consultants, and then after everyone sends in their evidence and first-hand accounts forwards them to at least one of the harassers involved, then says that there's no evidence that they were poo poo people. But he hired Satine Phoenix so he is now like a Voltron of progressiveness, more progressive than all other companies combined.
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I wouldn't claim to know much about Chaosium. I like Glorantha well enough but feel like Call of Cthulhu has outstayed its welcome by at least two decades, so I don't pay too much attention.
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May 23, 2018 22:46
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Dawgstar posted:But he hired Satine Phoenix so he is now like a Voltron of progressiveness, more progressive than all other companies combined. Don’t forget to source your Zak quotes, please.
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May 23, 2018 23:33
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Mr. Maltose posted:Don’t forget to source your Zak quotes, please. Technically it came from the Adult Film Stars Play A Popular Role-Playing Game account.
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Darksaber posted:I think WotC falls into the last group as well. I think they've been making really positive and good strides when it comes to the Magic side of things, but of course the DnD side is going to be a fuckin' trash fire as long as Mearls is involved, no matter how many goddamn rainbow dragons he puts on his profile. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 01:59 on May 24, 2018 |
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May 24, 2018 01:57
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MadScientistWorking posted:No. The Magic the Gathering side of WoTC is kind of a performative dumpster fire too. Never have I ever seen anyone whose sole existence of a business is dependent on MtG complain that their handling of a racist dipshit dumbass was to basically do nothing and shift all the responsibility on store owners whereas a company like Nintendo is like,"Yup this is our job. We've got this." Ah the Jim Sterling "Teddybears full of cum" explanation. Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 02:14 on May 24, 2018 |
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May 24, 2018 02:07
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MadScientistWorking posted:No. The Magic the Gathering side of WoTC is kind of a performative dumpster fire too. Never have I ever seen anyone whose sole existence of a business is dependent on MtG complain that their handling of a racist dipshit dumbass was to basically do nothing and shift all the responsibility on store owners whereas a company like Nintendo is like,"Yup this is our job. We've got this." Thinking back on it, you're right and I forgot about Woo and I think the guy you're talking about, the youtuber who made videos harassing a cosplayer? So that's on me and I'm wrong. Nintendo though? "Yup, this is our job. We'll fire the target of your harassment campaign." Great people, good guys all around.
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May 24, 2018 03:51
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I wouldn't claim to know much about Chaosium. I like Glorantha well enough but feel like Call of Cthulhu has outstayed its welcome by at least two decades, so I don't pay too much attention. I was rereading the CoC corebook awhile back and it's amazing how painfully obvious it is that the game is a reaction to D&D from the early 80s.
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Pope Guilty posted:I was rereading the CoC corebook awhile back and it's amazing how painfully obvious it is that the game is a reaction to D&D from the early 80s. the BRP rules certainly are, to a pretty amazing degree. Greg Stafford, in the intro to Guide to Glorantha posted:A friend of mine, Jeff Platt, was at a printer’s shop to pick up a catalogue where he met a guy getting his new fantasy game. Jeff bought one from Gary Gygax right at the shop. Gary told me later it was the first copy of Dungeons & Dragons ever sold. My first game, White Bear & Red Moon, was released in California at almost the same time that D&D was released. The fantasy gaming field was born. I found D&D to be almost illiterate, poorly organized and not worth my trouble to sort out.
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homullus posted:I should have added that I understand that it's not blind. But suppose you are looking, actively and explicitly, for something outside the cisgender heterosexual white male TG pool. A blind submission that is unable (or unwilling) to excise the male gaze, or unable/unwilling to adjust language to suit the setting, isn't as good a candidate -- they will cost you more time and editing. For a long time hiring for orchestras was highly gendered depending on the instrument. The majority of conductors had strongly held opinions about which instruments men were good at and which women were good at, and selected musicians accordingly. They pointed to the audition process and said they were just picking the best players after all. Then blind auditions were introduced. After a few hiccups (the heels issue garthoneeye mentioned), they got it working correctly. The conductor and other people selecting musicians because they were behind a screen, only hear their playing. Famously a particularly outspoken conductor kept vocally praising a musician for typically "male" play on a "male" instrument, and when the screen was removed it was a woman the conductor had repeatedly turned down, to the point of badmouthing her, previously. When he could only hear her music and not see her, he had nothing but praise. Of course because bigots are bigots, he immediately made excuses for why he had been fooled and why the musician was still actually inferior. But regardless the practice became standard and orchestras are much more diverse and have much better inclusion than they used to, to the point that under-representation tends to be demonstrably caused by upstream issues (i.e. who is encouraged to actually learn to play). In any case, the goal with blind auditions/judges is to force the judges to decide on the quality of the work, without conscious or unconscious bias driving the decision. Writing unfortunately is hard to blind judge because of the factors occamsnailfile mentions. Whereas the idea of gendered styles of play in music is bullshit, unfortunately there often is a difference in writing style due to how people are socialized and the nature of medium. Additionally there's much more a cultural preference to call a specific kind of writing in English good, and it's the kind that emulates how previous generations of cis white men wrote. How much of that is ascribing objectively good techniques as masculine and intellectual because of sexism and racism, and how much is denigrating alternative techniques because of sexism and racism, is up for grabs, but it's definitely there. Bias can work the other way as well - selectors who are going for diversity will often, due to unconscious bias, look for stereotypes. In any case those factors make it a lot harder to use blind auditions/judging to reduce the effects of bias in hiring writers.
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Is this the same guy who gets very, very upset when you don’t play Pendragon according to his one, true vision about how it should be played properly?
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May 24, 2018 05:07
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He's right to be so. Respect Stafford.
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Comrade Koba posted:Is this the same guy who gets very, very upset when you don’t play Pendragon according to his one, true vision about how it should be played properly? Yeah, although it’s not so much his vision as the original text
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Plutonis posted:He's right to be so. Respect Stafford. Nah. If Greg doesn’t approve of playing Pendragon as Sir Frodo-Wan-Kenobi, Zoroastrian cheesemonger from Constantinople, he can respectfully gently caress off. rumble in the bunghole posted:Yeah, although it’s not so much his vision as the original text Guess that only applies to some literary texts, or CoC would have had very detailed rules for racism.
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It’s not out of a respect for the concept of texts, he really liked the arthurian stories. I agree about the value of going off-canon for representative reasons though.
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Comrade Koba posted:Nah. If Greg doesn’t approve of playing Pendragon as Sir Frodo-Wan-Kenobi, Zoroastrian cheesemonger from Constantinople, he can respectfully gently caress off. Alternatively, play a game that actually supports what you want to do.
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rumble in the bunghole posted:It’s not out of a respect for the concept of texts, he really liked the arthurian stories. I agree about the value of going off-canon for representative reasons though.
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Yeah, Pendragon has support for diversity; it just wants you to, like, play Arthurian stories, and won't really support you if you want to play things that...aren't Arthurian stories.
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May 24, 2018 14:57
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Palamedes is canon, but your fishmalk is unlikely to be supported.
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Greg Stafford posted:I found D&D to be almost illiterate, poorly organized and not worth my trouble to sort out. I guess some things never change (or if they do, they change back).
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What is it about this industry and an utter inability to use tact!
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Mors Rattus posted:Yeah, Pendragon has support for diversity; it just wants you to, like, play Arthurian stories, and won't really support you if you want to play things that...aren't Arthurian stories. *Smiles Kinoko Nasuishily*
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Plutonis posted:*Smiles Kinoko Nasuishily* Look when it gets down to it, Nasu-verse Arthurian myth is only of middling inaccuracy when compared to hollywood depictions.
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Josef bugman posted:What is it about this industry and an utter inability to use tact! The older people who grew up playing its games tended to be social outcasts that either didn't or weren't required to learn key social lessons or actively take pride in ignoring them and have a persecution complex
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TheChirurgeon posted:The older people who grew up playing its games tended to be social outcasts that either didn't or weren't required to learn key social lessons or actively take pride in ignoring them and have a persecution complex True. As much as I admire Glorantha and Greg I do think it'd be better for all of us if everyone realised we aren't the only people playing this sort of game. Though I do like the inclusion of Queer characters like the Helerings from all the way back in the early 2000's.
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NinjaDebugger posted:Look when it gets down to it, Nasu-verse Arthurian myth is only of middling inaccuracy when compared to hollywood depictions. I did not imagine that, one day, I would ever think of Mordred as Best Girl, but here we are.
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Literally all Arthurian literature is fan-fiction written to suit the culture and tastes of the people writing it. Inserting modern political sensibilities into Arthurian legend is more Arthurian than attempting historical accuracy. 
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Literally all Arthurian literature is fan-fiction written to suit the culture and tastes of the people writing it. Inserting modern political sensibilities into Arthurian legend is more Arthurian than attempting historical accuracy. Hell, that’s what once and future king did and it’s objectively the best Arthurian story. I think the only flaw is it doesn’t have the part about Lancelot healing Sir Urry (?)’s wounds and crying as God forgave him.
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Chill la Chill posted:Hell, that’s what once and future king did and it’s objectively the best Arthurian story. I think the only flaw is it doesn’t have the part about Lancelot healing Sir Urry (?)’s wounds and crying as God forgave him. ...wasn't that the whole point of book two, the Ill-Made Knight? That Lancelot's miracle was not the healing, but that he had been allowed a miracle at all, flawed as he was?
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Chill la Chill posted:Hell, that’s what once and future king did and it’s objectively the best Arthurian story. I think the only flaw is it doesn’t have the part about Lancelot healing Sir Urry (?)’s wounds and crying as God forgave him. "Then she saw a movement in the people near, and a mutter came, and yells. Gentlemen began throwing their caps about, and shouting, and shaking hands. Arthur was crying the same words again and again, holding gruff Gawaine by the elbow and putting them into his ear. "It shut like a box! It shut like a box!"..." "In the middle, quite forgotten, her lover was kneeling by himself. This lonely and motionless figure knew a secret which was hidden from the others. The miracle was that he had been allowed to do a miracle. "And ever," says Malory, "Sir Lancelot wept, as he had been a child that had been beaten." "
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NinjaDebugger posted:Look when it gets down to it, Nasu-verse Arthurian myth is only of middling inaccuracy when compared to hollywood depictions. My girlfriend was incredibly amused to find out that bishonen merlin is an rear end in a top hat fuckup who ends up ruining everything because he wanted to get laid, since that's apparently much closer than "basically gandalf".
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spectralent posted:My girlfriend was incredibly amused to find out that bishonen merlin is an rear end in a top hat fuckup who ends up ruining everything because he wanted to get laid, since that's apparently much closer than "basically gandalf". I mean... that's basically the whole of arthurian literature. It's all dudes following their boners into trouble from start to end. edit: Hell, that's huge chunks of world mythology in general. NinjaDebugger fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 24, 2018 |
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Cannibal Smiley posted:"Then she saw a movement in the people near, and a mutter came, and yells. Oh drat, so it really is the best. The second part is the one I get bored in because it doesnt have the animal parables. Can’t believe I missed this part, the healing and Lancelot crying really is one of the best parts.
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NinjaDebugger posted:I mean... that's basically the whole of arthurian literature. It's all dudes following their boners into trouble from start to end.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Literally all Arthurian literature is fan-fiction written to suit the culture and tastes of the people writing it. Inserting modern political sensibilities into Arthurian legend is more Arthurian than attempting historical accuracy. When you get to the later romances, it becomes all Original Knight, Do Not Steal. (seriously, it does.)
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Now I wonder what system could handle the Nasu-verse. Or how you would even broach it.
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Dawgstar posted:Now I wonder what system could handle the Nasu-verse. Or how you would even broach it. Fate.
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Dawgstar posted:Now I wonder what system could handle the Nasu-verse. Or how you would even broach it. I let him know as politely as possible that Exalted isn't even a good fit for running an Exalted game.
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