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I mean, the core of Nasuverse is having complex world rules and then making them irrelevant with bullshit hacks, so you need a system that models that.
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Someone did a Unisystem game for nasu stuff (but mostly F/S). It was PRETTY BAD.
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May 25, 2018 01:03
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GURPS is the only system I can think of that allows the sort of customization you'd need, assuming you're doing Servant/Heroic Spirit stuff
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May 25, 2018 01:20
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Lemon-Lime posted:Fate. I'm terrible at FATE. However Cortex might work. Thanks inadvertently! NGDBSS posted:I know someone who thought Exalted would work for it. Fair.
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May 25, 2018 01:47
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I've found Exalted 3 amenable, though I've also never dealt with Crafting in an Exalted game. That's what I'd go for if you wanted to make a straight Fate/ adaptation, especially since the Evocations of magical weapons are clearly at least partly inspired by Noble Phantasms.
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May 25, 2018 03:21
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, the core of Nasuverse is having complex world rules and then making them irrelevant with bullshit hacks, so you need a system that models that. Yeah, the problem with most "let's model this anime/comic book" games is that most comic books and shonen-adjacent animes are built on the premise of breaking your own rules constantly. It runs pretty contrary to the general tabletop simulationist idea of modeling the universe and playing in it.
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May 25, 2018 04:13
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Dawgstar posted:Now I wonder what system could handle the Nasu-verse. Or how you would even broach it. edit: Actually come to think of it the Fate animes are all bad for basically the exact same reasons D&D is generally bad. Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 06:22 on May 25, 2018 |
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May 25, 2018 06:10
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ProfessorCirno posted:Yeah, the problem with most "let's model this anime/comic book" games is that most comic books and shonen-adjacent animes are built on the premise of breaking your own rules constantly. It runs pretty contrary to the general tabletop simulationist idea of modeling the universe and playing in it. A cool friend of mine pointed out a lot of post-jojo shonen is basically a fantasy wizard duel where you're introducing facts about a superpower to counter your opponent's facts until one of you gets trapped being unable to bullshit out of an opening.
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May 25, 2018 07:50
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spectralent posted:A cool friend of mine pointed out a lot of post-jojo shonen is basically a fantasy wizard duel where you're introducing facts about a superpower to counter your opponent's facts until one of you gets trapped being unable to bullshit out of an opening. Only post-jojo?
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May 25, 2018 08:36
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Dawgstar posted:I'm terrible at FATE. However Cortex might work. Thanks inadvertently! Cortex would definitely also work fine, but it's not a pun. 
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May 25, 2018 08:39
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ProfessorCirno posted:Yeah, the problem with most "let's model this anime/comic book" games is that most comic books and shonen-adjacent animes are built on the premise of breaking your own rules constantly. It runs pretty contrary to the general tabletop simulationist idea of modeling the universe and playing in it. spectralent posted:A cool friend of mine pointed out a lot of post-jojo shonen is basically a fantasy wizard duel where you're introducing facts about a superpower to counter your opponent's facts until one of you gets trapped being unable to bullshit out of an opening. This is why I prefer shonen that plans things out and shows its work, like Bleach
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May 25, 2018 08:51
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Really the question is what you'd ultimately want to do or focus on; Fate/ESL has a number of bullshit conceits you could pick from. You could do it with Strike or Valor if you want it to be about mowing down chumps and boss fights. You could even do a Hillfolk variant if you want to just focus on the relationships between masters and servants and other masters and servants. You could use OVA or Fate or Cortex if you really just need a functional filler of a system. Fate/Grand Order, on the other hand, is optimally run with Maid.
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May 25, 2018 09:05
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Ettin posted:This is why I prefer shonen that plans things out and shows its work, like Bleach so you just never read to the parts with Aizen, huh
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May 25, 2018 11:37
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Thirteenth age, your one unique thing defines the one nasuverse rule you get to break.
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May 25, 2018 11:42
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Ettin posted:This is why I prefer shonen that plans things out and shows its work, like Bleach 
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May 25, 2018 12:14
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TheChirurgeon posted:so you just never read to the parts with Aizen, huh 
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May 25, 2018 13:00
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Ettin posted:This is why I prefer shonen that plans things out and shows its work, like Bleach Lol
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May 25, 2018 14:03
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I still think Nobilis works for statting Servants
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May 25, 2018 14:19
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TheChirurgeon posted:so you just never read to the parts with Aizen, huh I take it you didn't read to the parts with the nazis?
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May 25, 2018 14:21
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Kurieg posted:I take it you didn't read to the parts with the nazis? No I did. But you could abandon any belief of well-thought-outedness well before that when Aizen is just suddenly always behind you. Though it was hard to see the joke because the whole thing does hold up very well and feel planned through the first soul society arc.
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May 25, 2018 17:44
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Darwinism posted:Only post-jojo? Jojo's been going a long time. What's a notable precedent? Even Fist of the North Star doesn't have much of that going on.
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May 25, 2018 17:50
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Plutonis posted:I still think Nobilis works for statting Servants Fascinating! Could you give an example? How about Cu Lancer?
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May 25, 2018 17:56
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LeSquide posted:Fascinating! Could you give an example? How about Cu Lancer? Lemme find Fool of Sounds PBP most people did OCs but someone made FGO Helena
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May 25, 2018 18:37
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Anime is bad. Manga too. Can anyone point me a good boilerplate harassment policy to use for a game convention?
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May 25, 2018 19:37
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TheChirurgeon posted:No I did. But you could abandon any belief of well-thought-outedness well before that when Aizen is just suddenly always behind you. Kubo is on record as saying that whenever he wrote himself into a corner he introduced a new character.
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May 25, 2018 19:41
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Darwinism posted:Only post-jojo? It's my understanding (Though, admittedly, not one backed up by a whole lot of research) that shonen fighting manga originally owed a lot more to martial arts stories rooted in wuxia stuff, where there was an emphasis on styles and techniques. You can see a lot of this in Jojo parts 1 and 2 where the ripple is treated as a style multiple people can use and develop techniques within. Meanwhile Jojo part 3 was pretty influential by fronting the idea of unique asymmetrical powers. "A guy with solar kung fu fights a guy with vampire body control kung fu" is in the wuxia mold, while "A woman who can turn her body into string fights a man who can recreate a place's history" is in the wizard duel mold.
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May 25, 2018 19:48
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Kurieg posted:Kubo is on record as saying that whenever he wrote himself into a corner he introduced a new character. Ha ha! I think you mean that as a plurality. Why one Visored instead of eight?
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May 25, 2018 19:50
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Darwinism posted:Only post-jojo? I mean, JoJo itself obviously qualifies.
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Doc Aquatic posted:It's my understanding (Though, admittedly, not one backed up by a whole lot of research) that shonen fighting manga originally owed a lot more to martial arts stories rooted in wuxia stuff, where there was an emphasis on styles and techniques. You can see a lot of this in Jojo parts 1 and 2 where the ripple is treated as a style multiple people can use and develop techniques within. I mean, somewhat fair, but even the first run of Jojo was a pretty crazy ramping up of stakes and introduction of absurd powers and counters to absurd powers and the villain returning from a frigging decapitation to try and steal the protagonist's body Also I'd argue the original Dragon Ball did the fantasy wizard duel thing sometimes only much more subdued (until DBZ when it was forced to be the forefront)
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even DBZ was only "wizard battles" in the sense that they shot energy lasers, everyone still basically had the exact same toolset but with different names for their otherwise basically identical energy attacks, it was much more a battle of technique and strength rather than using your unique power to win fights (with notable exception of Majin Buu)
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Countblanc posted:even DBZ was only "wizard battles" in the sense that they shot energy lasers, everyone still basically had the exact same toolset but with different names for their otherwise basically identical energy attacks, it was much more a battle of technique and strength rather than using your unique power to win fights (with notable exception of Majin Buu) Spirit Bomb and kaioken?
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kaioken literally just made you stronger, and the spirit bomb never worked. it isn't remotely comparable to poo poo like HxH or One Piece e: indeed there's a pretty palpable sense that magic/tricks are "cheating" in DBZ and people who rely on these powers are clowned on harder than basically anyone else
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Dawgstar posted:Ha ha! I think you mean that as a plurality. Why one Visored instead of eight? "HA HA HA YOU THOUGHT HE WAS NUMBER 10 HE IS ACTUALLY NUMBER ZERO!" Countblanc posted:even DBZ was only "wizard battles" in the sense that they shot energy lasers, everyone still basically had the exact same toolset but with different names for their otherwise basically identical energy attacks, it was much more a battle of technique and strength rather than using your unique power to win fights (with notable exception of Majin Buu) And then Dragonball Super happened and Goku ascended to godhood to defeat the dude who's power was basically that one kid on the schoolyard who keeps on going "Nuh-Uh I'm stronger!" At the end of the last episode the narrator said something to the effect of "And so the show ends until we can figure out how the gently caress to keep scaling up from this."
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Kaioken and Spirit Bomb were literally the only way Vegeta was beaten, they made Goku capable of withstanding Frieza until his other super special technique kicked in and won the fight for him, etc Hell even Raditz was only beaten because Piccolo had everything-proof-shield-piercing-bullets-the-power
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Kurieg posted:And then Dragonball Super happened and Goku ascended to godhood to defeat the dude who's power was basically that one kid on the schoolyard who keeps on going "Nuh-Uh I'm stronger!" I remember the loud declarations of, "This is it!!! Finally Goku versus Superman!" and I watched it and thought, 'No, Superman's actually interesting.'
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May 25, 2018 20:27
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Jiren was a complete garbage pile of a character.
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May 25, 2018 20:28
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Kurieg posted:Jiren was a complete garbage pile of a character. The real complete garbage pile of a character was the friends we made along the way who wouldn't stop talking about anime.
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May 25, 2018 20:33
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buddy if you don't like anime you came to the wrong subforum.
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May 25, 2018 20:36
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Jiren ftw because he's the goddamn Ayy Lmao alien as the strongest fucker on the multiverse
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Plutonis posted:Jiren ftw because he's the goddamn Ayy Lmao alien as the strongest fucker on the multiverse No that's still Arale. Kurieg posted:And then Dragonball Super happened and Goku ascended to godhood to defeat the dude who's power was basically that one kid on the schoolyard who keeps on going "Nuh-Uh I'm stronger!" Arale, the gag manga character.
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