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CharlestheHammer posted:Storytelling cuts both ways yeah.
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May 26, 2018 21:34
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The only time I'd buy the main character losing his main gimmick is Hunter x Hunter, and that has technically stuck for (perhaps intentional or unintentional) reasons.
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May 26, 2018 21:35
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Fabricated posted:You're really dedicated to this bad posting gimmick. Your really bad at this. Trying forming arguments instead of flailing about. Momomo posted:The only time I'd buy the main character losing his main gimmick is Hunter x Hunter, and that has technically stuck for (perhaps intentional or unintentional) reasons. To be fair despite how much I love Hunter it coped out too, at least partially. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 26, 2018 21:35
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CharlestheHammer posted:Your really bad at this. Trying forming arguments instead of flailing about. 
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May 26, 2018 21:55
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Ignoring the obvious troll, I will say that I do like Idas reasoning for going even if I found what’s her name,creation quirk, kind of weak. Like they couldn’t really come up with a reason for her so they just shrugged their shoulders and said the plot has to move somehow.
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May 26, 2018 21:59
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Without Yaoyorozu they'd have literally no idea where to go.
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May 26, 2018 22:09
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Shadowlyger posted:Without Yaoyorozu they'd have literally no idea where to go. I agree?
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May 26, 2018 22:11
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The emotionality-over-reason thing is fine for Kirishima and Midoriya, and if Iida and Momo do what they're saying they're going to do it makes sense for them. I don't really understand Todoroki's motivation for doing this outside of maybe viewing missing saving Bakugou by an inch as some sort of personal failing he has to correct- or just highlighting he still believes the words he said when he argued with the police chief after the Stain incident... which basically kinda means he didn't learn much from it but they're kids so eh. I kind of wonder if they'd stay home if they knew the utter murderer's row of heroes participating in the raid. It's like half the top 10, a bunch of heroes approaching that, and the police. It'd basically be like someone telling them, "Yeah a group of B-lister villains that probably wouldn't make a good Suicide Squad kidnapped your friend, but we're sending the entire Justice League to get them back", then deciding, "I dunno if they can handle this. What if we just go along anyway and don't tell anyone?" Also kinda surprised no one ratted them out, but then the plot doesn't happen. 
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May 26, 2018 22:12
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Ida seems like the kind of character to rat them out but they have kind of lessened his gimmick hard from his original appearance. Which you can wave away with friendship or whatever.
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May 26, 2018 22:25
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Fabricated posted:
Eh, I feel like a big part of Todoroki's thing is actually not being as composed and intelligent as he tries to put on. Him being as frustrated as Deku and Kirishima are doesn't feel terribly out of character to me - as does him thinking that he's tough enough to make a difference against a bunch of pro villains.
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May 26, 2018 22:29
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e: I'm blind
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May 26, 2018 22:31
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He’s got a boner for the rules but also cares about his friends much more. He’s upset because he sees his friends making the same mistake he did, which both breaks the rules and puts them in massive danger, and feels they haven’t properly learned the lesson that he did from stain.
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May 26, 2018 22:32
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JahRoo posted:He’s got a boner for the rules but also cares about his friends much more. He’s upset because he sees his friends making the same mistake he did, which both brakes the rules and puts them in massive danger, and feels they haven’t properly learned the lesson that he did from stain. Which is why he should turn them in instead of enabling them.
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May 26, 2018 22:33
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I am confident that my good smart friend Iida will keep that dumb boy Deku from doing anything too dumb.
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May 26, 2018 22:37
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Zomborgon posted:Yo, your manga knowledge is showing in the second paragraph, dude.
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May 26, 2018 22:37
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Fabricated posted:Eh? They showed all the heroes headed to the meeting with All Might and even Endeavor got called. That's #1 and #2 right there. Yeah but we don’t really know why
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May 26, 2018 22:40
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Spiritus Nox posted:Eh, I feel like a big part of Todoroki's thing is actually not being as composed and intelligent as he tries to put on. Him being as frustrated as Deku and Kirishima are doesn't feel terribly out of character to me - as does him thinking that he's tough enough to make a difference against a bunch of pro villains. Well, let's be honest. He probably is. I mean, he's still a first year, and he managed to trade blows with Stain without getting trashed. There were a lot of veteran heroes who didn't manage that.
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May 26, 2018 22:40
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Fabricated posted:Eh? They showed all the heroes headed to the meeting with All Might and even Endeavor got called. That's #1 and #2 right there. Apologies, I just went through the last two episodes, twice now, just to make sure and missed that somehow. Maybe it's because they did events in a bit of a weird order for this whole sequence.
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May 26, 2018 22:42
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CharlestheHammer posted:Which is why he should turn them in instead of enabling them. He was frustrated being stuck in the main building at the camp during the attack, right alongside Kirishima. He's the same guy who charged head-first into a losing battle with Stain to avenge his brother. I don't think Ida disagrees with them at all, he just wants to protect them the same way they protected him from Stain, regardless of what he's actually saying. e: I'm saying it's totally consistent with who he is as a character to simultaneously be arguing from a position of reasoned authority, while acting like an impulsive super powered child. Solanumai fucked around with this message at 22:48 on May 26, 2018 |
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May 26, 2018 22:45
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There's a lot of "do as I say, not as I do" going around.
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May 26, 2018 22:48
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Sure because they’re all teenagers and learning to make good decisions by first making bad ones is part of growing up
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May 26, 2018 22:49
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JahRoo posted:Yeah but we don’t really know why i feel like we can make a pretty good educated guess
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May 26, 2018 22:51
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JahRoo posted:Sure because they’re all teenagers and learning to make good decisions by first making bad ones is part of growing up Though they are explicitly not doing that. They are just making the same bad decisions over and over again.
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May 26, 2018 22:52
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chiasaur11 posted:Well, let's be honest. He probably is. I mean, he's really good, but I don't think he'd hold up very well if it comes to a fight that isn't one-on-one, especially if the quirk matchup is less favorable than Stain's. Remember, Todoroki's powers' gave him a huge range advantage over Stain, and he still would have absolutely gotten killed multiple times in that fight if not for Deku and Iida coming out of paralysis at key moments. Granted, most villains aren't as skilled as Stain, but most of them also aren't as dependant on getting in point-blank either. Look how much trouble Todoroki had with tooth-guy - and I don't think he would have done THAT much better if he hadn't had to worry about accidentally starting a forest fire.
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May 26, 2018 22:57
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Shere posted:He was frustrated being stuck in the main building at the camp during the attack, right alongside Kirishima. I mean, Iida doesn't disagree with them in the sense of wanting to help Bakugou but I think he does legitimately disagree with going after dangerous villains while recovering from grievous injuries. He's just soft and Deku's his friend and serious about this so he's letting him off the hook. I don't think he's the guy being impulsive.
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May 26, 2018 23:04
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There has to be at least an element of impulse to it because otherwise the only reasonable course of action is to rat them out. There's a whole theme of the dichotomy of heroism being presented. Other people (doctors, teachers, pro-heroes, friends) have a duty to safeguard the well being of those under their care. They have to tell you to do the thing that's in your best interest, because that's their job. Meanwhile, to act as a hero is to disregard those directives - highlighted by the two All Might quotes that got dropped (interfering in things beyond your means, and moving without thinking). I mean, think about how the doctor acted. "Yeah your arms are a couple of smashes away from being worthless noodles. Quit it. Great job saving that kid, though". Solanumai fucked around with this message at 23:20 on May 26, 2018 |
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May 26, 2018 23:12
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CharlestheHammer posted:Though they are explicitly not doing that. They're making Iida's bad decision, and the reason he doesn't feel like he can stop them is because he made the same one. Their positions are reversed, and he knows he wouldn't have been able to convince himself to change course before the stain incident, so instead he's putting himself in a position where he can be there and try to protect his friends, rather than turning them in and preventing that mistake from happening at all. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be turning them in, but I also don't really think it's a plot hole that a kid is being dumb to avoid pissing off his friends even though he's normally a huge nerd about poo poo like this. GhostofJohnMuir posted:i feel like we can make a pretty good educated guess He's not dropping spoilers, but he's referencing affirmatively something that anime watchers might think is going to happen but don't know for sure.
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May 26, 2018 23:20
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This entire incident really seems to be about how the teachers hosed up. Due to the circumstances of the camp attack it is hard to say what else they could have done to protect the kids, but they definitely should have been talking with 1-A after the attack to help them process what had happened.
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May 26, 2018 23:25
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CharlestheHammer posted:Though they are explicitly not doing that. Yeah they're teenagers And humans
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May 26, 2018 23:26
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Sakurazuka posted:Yeah they're teenagers I mean I was responding to a post that says they are learning from their mistakes
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May 26, 2018 23:34
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CharlestheHammer posted:Though they are explicitly not doing that. Ultimately, that's because experience is teaching Deku the opposite of what people are telling him. He ignored the warning about slime guy, and was given One For All. He turned back at USJ and saved All Might. He went off on his own and saved Iida from Stain. He turned back in the final exam and beat All Might and rescued Bakugo. He went rogue at camp and saved Koto and Tokoyami and came within inches of saving Bakugo again. If he doesn't keep making those "bad decisions" then All Might, Iida, and Koto at least would all be dead, and he wouldn't even have a quirk at all!
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May 26, 2018 23:36
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jng2058 posted:Ultimately, that's because experience is teaching Deku the opposite of what people are telling him. He ignored the warning about slime guy, and was given One For All. He turned back at USJ and saved All Might. He went off on his own and saved Iida from Stain. He turned back in the final exam and beat All Might and rescued Bakugo. He went rogue at camp and saved Koto and Tokoyami and came within inches of saving Bakugo again. If he doesn't keep making those "bad decisions" then All Might, Iida, and Koto at least would all be dead, and he wouldn't even have a quirk at all! Yeah MHA has kind of hosed up messaging. hell did Ida get punished for what he did at all. I think UA might be a bad school
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May 26, 2018 23:39
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah MHA has kind of hosed up messaging. He got a seemingly debilitating arm injury.
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May 26, 2018 23:43
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SyntheticPolygon posted:He got a seemingly debilitating arm injury. Lucky for him he is a kick man. So that doesn’t really matter
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May 26, 2018 23:44
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They got spared for their "Potential" but the pros that were mentoring them got hit with punishments. Like Gran Torino losing (or I think just suspending) his hero license I think (lot of good that did, btw).
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May 27, 2018 00:03
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Ularg posted:They got spared for their "Potential" but the pros that were mentoring them got hit with punishments. Like Gran Torino losing (or I think just suspending) his hero license I think (lot of good that did, btw). Teaching license, actually. Not that he planned on teaching ever again.
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May 27, 2018 00:04
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Deku getting told "stop punching, if you do it again it'll mess your arms up" feels kinda weak because uh, that's basically exactly what he was told last time. But, he did it again, and the actual consequences for it are being pushed forward again. It's a little lame, and defangs the importance of those warnings. Teenagers making dumb decisions is fine and normal, but a bunch of their peers saying "look, this is a bad idea, and here's many reasons why" and them saying "you're right. It is a bad idea, and I can see that. But I'm going to do it anyway, despite knowing and agreeing that I shouldnt." Makes the "they're just being dumb, normal teenagers" thing fall a little flat. The pathos in this episode was pretty good though
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May 27, 2018 01:02
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To be fair to Deku, he didn't really have any other options against Muscular. It wasn't his pride or reputation on the line this time, it was the life of a little kid.
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May 27, 2018 01:16
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Zwiebel posted:This is really just a fakeout because Momo wanted to go shopping with her friends and she's leading them on a wild goose chase. I hope it's this so hard and the kids end up doing nothing of consequence this next arc, letting the heroes/Bakugo do what they need to do.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah MHA has kind of hosed up messaging.
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