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I'm not sure if this is common knowledge, but Otto Warmbier was brain dead because he hung himself with a belt.
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Vladimir Putin posted:SK is going to get burned playing the middle man also i left my favorite umbrella at the DMZ last week and i’m still salty about it. had that poo poo for 15 years.
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May 27, 2018 03:23
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TenementFunster posted:by the US or the DPRK or both? what is “burned,” anyhow? unilateral denuclearization isn’t happening, but any relaxing of tensions will be beneficial. Did you leave it or was it abducted?
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May 27, 2018 03:36
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Vladimir Putin posted:Did you leave it or was it abducted? Sounds like it's time for Operation Paul Bunyan 2: The Fella with the Umbrella
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May 27, 2018 03:42
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Umbrellas are dumb so good riddance is what I say
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May 27, 2018 04:00
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the supreme leader wishes to praise your umbrella for its brave defection
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May 27, 2018 04:23
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https://twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1000572802699812864
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May 27, 2018 04:25
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Vladimir Putin posted:Tsingtao is a super prestigious university (I believe the president of China has a degree from there) and anybody should be happy with a PhD from there. yeah I've worked with a lady from there their civil engineering department, at least, appears to be pretty kickass she could keep up with some of America's premiere pavement nerds
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May 27, 2018 04:40
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I mean, yea, fair read there NoKo.
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May 27, 2018 04:55
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Juffo-Wup posted:Umbrellas are dumb so good riddance is what I say also it’s a really nice Fulton Miniflat-1, and it was so loving foggy i couldn’t see any of north korea AND the JSA was closed in expectation of a sudden summit like the one that happened yesterday so all in all i got really DMZ clucked
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May 27, 2018 05:39
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Withnail posted:I'm not sure if this is common knowledge, but Otto Warmbier was brain dead because he hung himself with a belt. that was my theory back when it was announced he was comatose, but do you have any proof of this?
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May 27, 2018 06:11
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Vladimir Putin posted:Tsingtao is a super prestigious university (I believe the president of China has a degree from there) and anybody should be happy with a PhD from there. tsinghua (清华大学) is the university. tsingtao (青岛啤酒) is beer.
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May 27, 2018 06:28
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R. Guyovich posted:tsinghua (清华大学) is the university. tsingtao (青岛啤酒) is beer.
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May 27, 2018 15:55
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https://twitter.com/Cirincione/status/1000771239735123969 https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1000750763608543232 https://twitter.com/jeongminnkim/status/1000767011914330118 Red and Black fucked around with this message at 17:35 on May 27, 2018 |
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May 27, 2018 17:30
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Yeah, that certainly isn't the desirable narrative to build before negotiations. The US might have reached the limits of its power in the region.
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May 27, 2018 19:10
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, that certainly isn't the desirable narrative to build before negotiations. More that the US is being led by a coalition of the insane and the merely moronic.
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May 27, 2018 19:19
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So, if SK just says, "gently caress what the US wants, we're doing this whole peace thing ourselves because we're the ones who have to live with this poo poo and Trump's whole cabinet is one missed medication away from being found in the corner, playing with their own poo poo" and they go and actually broker a peace deal, what exactly can the US do beyond Trump's usual routine of vacillating impotently? I mean, the SK government could save a massive amount of money by no longer having US bases on their soil and it would be one hell of a political coup. But the good kind, for once. Their only question is whether the bases are worth keeping to fend off any potential future Chinese expeditionism.
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May 28, 2018 05:54
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Gorilla Salad posted:So, if SK just says, "gently caress what the US wants, we're doing this whole peace thing ourselves because we're the ones who have to live with this poo poo and Trump's whole cabinet is one missed medication away from being found in the corner, playing with their own poo poo" and they go and actually broker a peace deal, what exactly can the US do beyond Trump's usual routine of vacillating impotently? What do you mean what can they do? Trump's idiots can start firing on North Korea again. The US in general can cause them all sorts of havoc in the UN. Plus it still doesn't solve that the US and about a dozen other countries are still at war with North Korea. I think you'll find trying to force out US troops without their consent when they're already well-emplaced and heavily armed is not a good idea.
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May 28, 2018 06:07
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R. Guyovich posted:tsinghua (清华大学) is the university. tsingtao (青岛啤酒) is beer. tsingtao is also the city, for dumb Americans who can't do the True Writing
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May 28, 2018 06:13
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fishmech posted:What do you mean what can they do? Trump's idiots can start firing on North Korea again. The US in general can cause them all sorts of havoc in the UN. Plus it still doesn't solve that the US and about a dozen other countries are still at war with North Korea. Hey, what happened to that conversation you were having about how South Korea is totally not occupied but North Korea totally is?
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May 28, 2018 06:19
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Some Guy TT posted:Hey, what happened to that conversation you were having about how South Korea is totally not occupied but North Korea totally is? I wouldn't really qualify either of them as being 'occupied' in that sense, If i'm allowed to fishmech a bit about terms  They're both technically allied with major powers; SK with the US (who needs bases in South Korea for military purposes regarding the peninsula) and NK with China (China isn't as limited by this, considering their shared land border; because of this any military presence that is specifically for North Korea is located in Manchuria). However, there is an economic stewardship expected of North Korea that is utilized by China for cheap goods and such. Classifying either of them as specifically being 'occupied' relies on knowledge of their ability to operate without their relationship with the greater power. Would NK be able to work fine without China? Would SK be able to deal with Chinese aggression as easily without relying on the US for security? I'd say that neither of them are 'occupied' but NK is obviously more reliant on their relationship with China than SK is with the US. Yeah the US is acting so erratically there's really no way to do actual advisory work, most experts are just reduced to throwing up their hands and saying "lets just see what happens I guess."
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May 28, 2018 07:14
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If South Korea is deadset against the US starting anything they could always threaten to intern US forces to bases if the US starts a shooting war. What's the US going to do, declare war on South Korea? That would destroy everything. Everything. The US also cannot do anything in the UN if China vetoes it. So if South Korea and China agree to relax economic sanctions the US can't do a whole lot that they aren't already doing on the highseas. There also isn't much the US can do that will outlive the Trump Admin. South Korea and co. can always make an agreement with the wink wink nudge nudge understanding the they can always choose to outwait the US until they elect a sane administration.
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May 28, 2018 15:09
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Some Guy TT posted:Hey, what happened to that conversation you were having about how South Korea is totally not occupied but North Korea totally is? South Korea isn't occupied though. Raenir Salazar posted:
A) UN Command is not subject to a Chinese veto, indeed China is still an enemy combatant to UN Command. B) They don't get to abolish sanctions unilaterally, being as these are sanctions that involve way more than just China or South Korea.
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May 28, 2018 17:19
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fishmech posted:South Korea isn't occupied though. It’s in SK’s advantage not to make a deal that pisses off the US. I mean think of it—such a thing would be a stupid stupid move. That’s why they are bending over backwards to get to the Kim/Trump meeting.
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May 28, 2018 17:29
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Technically China can't end existing sanctions without another vote from the Security Council. In practice however, China can simply restart trade with North Korea and given that 90% of North Korea's trade is with China, this would effectively end the sanctions. In fact, there are reports of this already happening following the NK/China summit e: https://twitter.com/annafifield/status/999232502907752448 Red and Black fucked around with this message at 20:03 on May 28, 2018 |
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May 28, 2018 18:46
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Yeah China has never been 100% onboard with the sanctions, and absolutely no one cares what the UN thinks so it's kind of moot.
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May 28, 2018 18:54
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fishmech posted:South Korea isn't occupied though.
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Chomskyan posted:Technically China can't end existing sanctions without another vote from the Security Council. In practice however, China can simply restart trade with North Korea and given that 90% of North Korea's trade is with China, this would effectively end the sanctions. In fact, there are reports of this already happening following the NK/China summit That is the core of the issue: China isn't a neutral power that doesn't care either way that happens to North Korea, they are its ally, and it isn't a negotiation versus just against North Korea but also China (and arguably Russia as well). It is also why the US doesn't have the same amount of leverage because China can keep the North Koreans going, maybe indefinitely. South Korea may want to piss off China even less than the US at this point. At this point, South Korea has a significant more trade with China than the US, and the presence of US troops is arguably a mixed bag. Ultimately, China, more than it wants the US out wants economic integration across the region to continue and honestly, South Korea is probably fine with that. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 19:26 on May 28, 2018 |
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May 28, 2018 19:23
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A Buttery Pastry posted:You just implied the US military would violently resist a South Korean demand that they leave. If that's not occupation, it's pretty loving close. It's not close at all. Some sudden unilateral demand to force out the existing forces of your allies is rather unprecedented.
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SK has to walk a tightrope. These scenarios are pretty extreme and I don’t think they are SK’s most desired outcomes.
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May 28, 2018 20:24
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fishmech posted:South Korea isn't occupied though. A) The US cannot institute additional UNSC sanctions past a Chinese veto, which was the obvious and self evident context of my reply. It can attempt unilateral or multilateral sanctions but if China and Russia don't play ball its impotent. B) As others have said, China and Russia can just restart trade and the US can't physically stop it unless it's over the high seas.
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Raenir Salazar posted:A) The US cannot institute additional UNSC sanctions past a Chinese veto, which was the obvious and self evident context of my reply. It can attempt unilateral or multilateral sanctions but if China and Russia don't play ball its impotent. The current UN sanctions are still in place though. China can't veto this. And merely maintaining the current other sanctions is already doing its job. China and South Korea cannot unilaterally change that. Also again, UN Command's military mission cannot be vetoed by China, if they could have done so they'd have tried in the decades since the security council vote was passed to them from Taiwan. China and Russia can't restart other people's trade. China and Russia are responsible for the proportion of trade they are, in the first place, because of first North Korea alienating other countries and then North Korea being sanctioned. Honestly it's like you think it's just the natural state of things that North Korea has never traded outside of China and Russia, simply because that's what they've been reduced to over the years?
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Sigh ......... China ramps up their trade with the Quit fussing, the response to this move will be fabulous. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 29, 2018 04:13
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https://twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1001307271979122688
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May 29, 2018 05:08
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I think a visit like this is unprecedented right?
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May 29, 2018 13:40
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It's not unprecedented. High-ranking NK officials came to the US to discuss the Agreed Framework in the 90s
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May 29, 2018 14:53
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Vladimir Putin posted:I think a visit like this is unprecedented right? Jo Myong-rok visited in 2000.
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May 29, 2018 14:54
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This is just dumb. How is trying to resolve the abduction issue a "hard-line agenda"?
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Yeah the whole Japan angle is ridiculous. And NK trying to exclude Japan is like when your new GF tries to get rid of all of your family/friends.
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