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buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord
Horizon problem: suddenly all locks are too difficult to pick. I'm on survival mode so no console ability. Any ideas?

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Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

buglord posted:

Horizon problem: suddenly all locks are too difficult to pick. I'm on survival mode so no console ability. Any ideas?

Dunno, same thing happened to me. Was unlocking advanced locks and suddenly I didn't even have the lockpicking skill in the skillbook at all anymore

Terrorforge
Dec 22, 2013

More of a furnace, really

buglord posted:

Horizon problem: suddenly all locks are too difficult to pick. I'm on survival mode so no console ability. Any ideas?

It's a known bug. There are some changes planned for the next update that should hopefully fix it.

e: try going in the Personal Toolkit (craft in tech lab) and going to the Skill menu -> Recalculate Skills. That may fix it in the short term.

Terrorforge fucked around with this message at 08:31 on May 28, 2018

Namaer
Jun 6, 2004


Allright so i had a similar issue running only autoloot, start me up, console enabled in survival, and visible companion affinity where the door in the vault wouldn't open, and then i turned off all mods and started a new game and had the same issue, so i'm just gonna try to delete every trace of fallout 4 on my hd and reinstall.

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord

Terrorforge posted:

It's a known bug. There are some changes planned for the next update that should hopefully fix it.

e: try going in the Personal Toolkit (craft in tech lab) and going to the Skill menu -> Recalculate Skills. That may fix it in the short term.

Thanks for the help fam. I also discovered that hammering the interact/lockpick button can seemingly fix it too. Yes, I hammered it in desperation and was actually surprised when it worked. Haven’t had any problems since.

I’ve put about 50 hours into horizon now. I just got around to shooting Kellogg in the head as he had his gun down. (I’m also really glad the horizon devs put that 1000 defense 10 second shield item in the room before Kellogg so you can cheese the fight). Synths are pretty difficult, especially in horizon, but actually focusing on their legs instead of their heads was a huge game changer.

Which leads into the things I like about Horizon:

+gigantic difficulty spike does require you to switch up how you play. Ive had to change up how I approach a lot of enemies, which makes combat and tactics more enjoyable. In vanilla fallout you can essentially use perks and much more generous gameplay mechanics to brute force your way through everything.

+food, drink, chems actually have usage. It’s also really fun to BuffPsychojet yourself into an impossible combat scenario and clear a whole room with ridiculous grace.

+game mechanics encouraging exploration instead of fast travel got me to discover a ton of cool stuff which was essentially hidden in plain sight. I didn’t really appreciate the commonwealth before but that’s just because I teleported everywhere.

And the things I hate about Horizon:

-The first 15-20 hours of trying to figure out Horizon’s mechanics were absolutely dreadful. Not having the resource to fast travel, properly bandage yourself, or remove rads cheaply created the least enjoyable gameplay I had in a fallout mod. I couldn’t recommend Horizon to anyone who valued their time in the slightest or had better games to play. In fact the only reason why I stuck with Horizon was because I have nothing else to play currently.

-Death loops are far too common at earlier levels. Enjoy being bankrupt and having every limb crippled when raiders repeatedly kill you at your spawn point.

For all my complaining, I admittedly have no clue how the early Horizon game could be improved. There is some satisfaction when you reach a level of stability and self sufficiency when it comes to maintaining health and needs, but Christ what an unfun nightmare it is starting out. And despite all these sour criticisms, I feel this is one of the best mods I’ve played.


E: a gif which accurately represents the Horizon experience, specifically when you reach the end of a “dungeon” and discover how poor the loot is:

buglord fucked around with this message at 19:49 on May 28, 2018

Terrorforge
Dec 22, 2013

More of a furnace, really
Agreed on all counts. I mean, now I find the early game enjoyably challenging, but the actual first couple dozen hours when you're trying to figure out how anything works are hell. What the mod really needs is a thorough tutorial, but that would be hard even if there was interest, and there isn't - zawinul is on record saying that Horizon is just like any other video game, like coming from Fallout 3 to 4, you just gotta play it a bit and figure out how things work. I can kind of see how you'd get that impression if you're a lifelong challenge gamer and 90% of the complaints you get are from people who either screwed themselves with unstable mod lists and/or didn't even read the summary before hitting "download", but it still strikes me as impressively myopic. There's been talk of a wiki at least, so let's hope that project actually materializes.

The death loops should be fixed at some point, though. The system is ostensibly still in beta, and I'm pretty sure that dealing with those (probably by shunting you to the next nearest settlement when you die in one) is at the top of the priority list for the next iteration.

Fifty Farts
Dec 23, 2013

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- Peer-reviewed

buglord posted:

E: a gif which accurately represents the Horizon experience, specifically when you reach the end of a “dungeon” and discover how poor the loot is:



This is very misleading. Horizon wouldn't give you both a fork and a knife.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Looking for some decent armor mods. I've got unoctium's mods and ellianora's big compilation pack but I keep coming back to the silver shroud armor. I want something that doesn't look like it was designed by pervert and also has foot armorsmith integration.i found a very nice looking railroad inspired armor but it's been abandoned and isn't that great to actually use in-game.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
Look at Cross stuff, handmaiden maybe

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord
Something else I forgot about Horizon and Sim Settlements: you can only put so much lipstick on the Fallout 4 pig.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Azhais posted:

Look at Cross stuff, handmaiden maybe

I checked out handmaiden and good lord those are some touchy modders

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

beats for junkies posted:

This is very misleading. Horizon wouldn't give you both a fork and a knife.

Pictured: about to loot 7 fusion cells in horizon

Fifty Farts
Dec 23, 2013

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Azhais posted:

Pictured: about to loot 7 fusion cells in horizon



maybe only 7 Fusion Cells, but don't forget the 26 Damaged Cells you get along with that. and the Destroyed Institute Laser Rifles.

Fifty Farts fucked around with this message at 06:27 on May 29, 2018

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Arcsquad12 posted:

I checked out handmaiden and good lord those are some touchy modders

They sure fuckin are! That's the one where they ragequit making a vanilla one because one person asked rudely, isn't it? Even though their other stuff has vanilla versions, or at least did at the time.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
So I want to get a scrapping mod. I'm a bit leery about using Scrap Everything since I don't want to screw something up. Is there a lightweight scrap mod that lets me just scrap bushes and the like?

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

I've never modded FO 4 before so I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction toward figuring out how to setup a game where I could just customize settlements and spawn invading forces so I can sit back and watch what happens?

As a bonus, is there a way to turn off the penalty for my character not being present at a settlement when a random invasion occurs? The idea would be to setup and run multiple settlement attacks at once and jump between them.

I didn't see an obvious configuration in the OP but I'm sure I overlooked something.

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.
Does anyone have a link to a good FAQ for things to know if I'm just getting in to Horizons?

Terrorforge
Dec 22, 2013

More of a furnace, really

Devor posted:

Does anyone have a link to a good FAQ for things to know if I'm just getting in to Horizons?

Written New Player Guide (slightly outdated):

The Wanderer's Wasteland Survival Guide video series (slightly less outdated)

e: Discord server for getting quick answers to questions

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord
How in the world do I craft ammo in horizon? I can only seem to make primers and gunpowder but no way to actually make anything? I got a few ballistics magazines so I should know how to craft something

Terrorforge
Dec 22, 2013

More of a furnace, really

buglord posted:

How in the world do I craft ammo in horizon? I can only seem to make primers and gunpowder but no way to actually make anything? I got a few ballistics magazines so I should know how to craft something

If you're making primers, you're not using Horizon ammo crafting. Probably you're in the AWKCR ammo workbench, which is not related to Horizon. You need the Weapons Lab.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Midnight Voyager posted:

They sure fuckin are! That's the one where they ragequit making a vanilla one because one person asked rudely, isn't it? Even though their other stuff has vanilla versions, or at least did at the time.

I'm not sure about Niero, but TheKite is absolutely thin skinned. Also, I should have kept my safe search on when I looked to see if I could find some of his other mods in case they they were hosted off of Nexus. Dude draws a looot of fallout porn.

Blast of Confetti
Apr 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I've been using a bunch of light mods that don't gently caress around too much with the game but I'm fifty hours in and starting to get the itch I get with all the Bethesda games to start adding some big stuff. Seems like Horizon is the big mod for changing things up? If I go with it should I scrap all my other mods or can I keep stuff like the stuff that makes the dialogue interface and UI not garbage?

Blast of Confetti fucked around with this message at 13:16 on May 31, 2018

Terrorforge
Dec 22, 2013

More of a furnace, really

Blast of Confetti posted:

I've been using a bunch of light mods that don't gently caress around too much with the game but I'm fifty hours in and starting to get the itch I get with all the Bethesda games to start adding some big stuff. Seems like Horizon is the big mod for changing things up? If I go with it should I scrap all my other mods or can I keep stuff like the stuff that makes the dialogue interface and UI not garbage?

Horizon is your one-stop gameplay shakeup, yes. There are tons of mods that change individual aspects of the balance, but that's more of a "build your own" kind of situation. I guess the Unbogus mods are another option, but I haven't tried it myself.

Yes, you should be able to keep most of your cosmetic/quality-of-life mods like textures and UI edits. No sorting mods, though, or stuff like weightless junk/ammo mods. Horizon has it's own DEF_UI stuff, so make sure you use that. Be aware that any mod that alters companions no matter how superficially "cosmetic" is incompatible without a patch; you have to overwrite the whole NPC record for some reason. This may also be true of edits to other NPCs, but I really don't know one way or the other.

Other mods are a mixed bag and need to be treated on a case-by-case basis.

Blast of Confetti
Apr 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Holy poo poo, Horizons uses a consumable to save? Time to add 1000 of those because I don't go for bs like that

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011

Blast of Confetti posted:

Holy poo poo, Horizons uses a consumable to save? Time to add 1000 of those because I don't go for bs like that

Using the consumable also hits you with an INT/xp penalty.

Horizons isn't just a gameplay overhaul, it's a *Survival* gameplay overhaul. That means it puts some actual bite in the vanilla game's limpwristed Survival mode. It won't be what you're looking for if you want FO4 to have more substance and maintain the chillness of vanilla gameplay.

Soldier o Fortune
Jul 22, 2004

I didn’t finish or get super far in FO4 previously, but playing Old Wors Blues in Hearts of Iron and the ‘76 announcement have inspired me to go back and beat the game. Planning to start from scratch with a fresh install and new game. I have been looking at this thread and several mod lists but lots of them seem focused on things other than just a fairly clean base game experience. Is there a good mod list focused on enjoying the base game? Not saying I am against Horizon or overhauls, just looking for the beat experience to play through the story.

Terrorforge
Dec 22, 2013

More of a furnace, really

Blast of Confetti posted:

Holy poo poo, Horizons uses a consumable to save? Time to add 1000 of those because I don't go for bs like that

It also has an auto-save system, but I recommend just using another mod for saves. Those items are a relic of a time before the death system, and there's no longer any point to not allowing you to save whenever.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

And if you prefer, you could also just cheat in the reusable save device, which is what I did in my last playthrough.

How do I get started towards building turrets. It says I need workshop skill, so is that something I'll get from perks at level up or do I need to train settlers?

Terrorforge
Dec 22, 2013

More of a furnace, really

marshmallow creep posted:

And if you prefer, you could also just cheat in the reusable save device, which is what I did in my last playthrough.

How do I get started towards building turrets. It says I need workshop skill, so is that something I'll get from perks at level up or do I need to train settlers?

It's yet another special Horizon system. You can upgrade your "workshop level" by crafting the items under the tech lab's "workshop upgrade" menu and using them through the aid menu. They have various requirements and it doesn't matter in which order you get them, but you can only craft each one once.

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

marshmallow creep posted:

And if you prefer, you could also just cheat in the reusable save device, which is what I did in my last playthrough.

How do I get started towards building turrets. It says I need workshop skill, so is that something I'll get from perks at level up or do I need to train settlers?

I backed the difficulty one easier from the default, and I don't have to use the item to save, is that due to my difficulty? Not that I'm super concerned that I'm able to hit a quick save before I do something that I don't understand in a mod that's new to me

Terrorforge
Dec 22, 2013

More of a furnace, really

Devor posted:

I backed the difficulty one easier from the default, and I don't have to use the item to save, is that due to my difficulty? Not that I'm super concerned that I'm able to hit a quick save before I do something that I don't understand in a mod that's new to me

Which difficulty? If you mean the one in-game, then yes. "Survival" difficulty isn't just "one harder", it introduces a ton of changes and mechanics - notably, the entire hunger/thirst system is disabled if you're not playing on Survival.

e: and of course another limitation of the vanilla survival mode is that you can't save except my sleeping

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007

Soldier o Fortune posted:

I didn’t finish or get super far in FO4 previously, but playing Old Wors Blues in Hearts of Iron and the ‘76 announcement have inspired me to go back and beat the game. Planning to start from scratch with a fresh install and new game. I have been looking at this thread and several mod lists but lots of them seem focused on things other than just a fairly clean base game experience. Is there a good mod list focused on enjoying the base game? Not saying I am against Horizon or overhauls, just looking for the beat experience to play through the story.

IMO, if you're not necessarily sold on trying to play FO4 as an open world survival sandbox, then run with the Unbogus set of balance mods, and play on Normal or Hard, depending on your taste. It will mostly be a vanilla experience, which is good for cruising through the story, and maybe doing a few alternate faction playthroughs.

Horizon is of course the alternative, but it's really not too well suited to story playthroughs - though it could work, prob not without a lot of knowing ins-outs of the mod and game systems.

Incoming Chinchilla
Apr 2, 2010
Can you turn on horizon's desolation mode (and any of the other ramped up difficulties) mid-playthrough, without breaking things?

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007
Probably fine. It just may take some cell resets for every place to have the new rates stick.

Terrorforge
Dec 22, 2013

More of a furnace, really

Incoming Chinchilla posted:

Can you turn on horizon's desolation mode (and any of the other ramped up difficulties) mid-playthrough, without breaking things?

Yes, but it's kind of ineffective since you'll already have amassed a surplus of resources and built up infrastructure to produce more.

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
I am gonna try to mod FO4 tonight and I am not looking forward to the inevitable crashes on launch that I won't be able to figure out from the hundreds of mods Ive picked

Chronojam
Feb 20, 2006

This is me on vacation in Amsterdam :)
Never be afraid of being yourself!


eonwe posted:

I am gonna try to mod FO4 tonight and I am not looking forward to the inevitable crashes on launch that I won't be able to figure out from the hundreds of mods Ive picked

That's part of the game though

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
one time when i played fallout that was as far as I got

Viva Miriya
Jan 9, 2007

I kinda wanna try Horizon.

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buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord

Viva Miriya posted:

I kinda wanna try Horizon.

its painful, unintuitive, and grating for the first 10-15 hours so if you have nothing better to play and a lust for masochism go for it.

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