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Firefly was cancelled because it sucked. It has the stink of Joss "Can't write anything but Buffy over and over" Whedon all over it. The characters are cliched, and its full of weird rapey stuff that thankfully we never got to see played out.
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Cabin in the Woods was very good, but I mostly agree with that. The worst thing about Whedon is when other writers try do do dialogue like he does. The guy himself barely has a low enough success rate with it, but here comes Bioware to write some witty elven one liners.
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May 29, 2018 16:34
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Sweevo posted:Firefly was cancelled because it sucked. It has the stink of Joss "Can't write anything but Buffy over and over" Whedon all over it. The characters are cliched, and its full of weird rapey stuff that thankfully we never got to see played out. one liner one liner one liner gratuitous jailbait Strong Female Character display one liner one liner Joss "The movie was bad because they didn't interpret my script properly" Whedon Joss "feminism is cheating on your wife for decades" Whedon Joss "my writing is insufferable poo poo period but for some reason I keep getting work" Whedon
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May 29, 2018 16:34
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Or Firefly existed in the era before peak TV and streaming and compared to stuff at the time (which coincided with the advent of reality TV) it was pretty good. By today’s standards, not so much.
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May 29, 2018 16:38
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Sweevo posted:Firefly was cancelled because it sucked. It has the stink of Joss "Can't write anything but Buffy over and over" Whedon all over it. The characters are cliched, and its full of weird rapey stuff that thankfully we never got to see played out. also the chinese stuff is awkward and doesn't work out
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May 29, 2018 16:42
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ryonguy posted:one liner one liner one liner gratuitous jailbait Strong Female Character display one liner one liner Joss "do you know what happens to a toad when it gets hit by lightning?" Whedon
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May 29, 2018 16:49
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Sweevo posted:its full of weird rapey stuff that thankfully we never got to see played out. This scene has always seemed super out of place in Firefly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXwrY_J5vU&t=1190s
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May 29, 2018 16:52
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StrangersInTheNight posted:also the chinese stuff is awkward and doesn't work out It was an interesting idea but I think it would have worked better with some Chinese people in the main cast.
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May 29, 2018 17:24
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Is Buffy still fine?
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May 29, 2018 18:04
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She's so fine, she's Buffy.
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May 29, 2018 18:10
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Volcott posted:Is Buffy still fine? The widescreen cuts are borked to gently caress, technically speaking. Some scenes are zoomed way in close, some have visible boom mics and poo poo, and there's some weird colour correction on some episodes. Content is still mostly fun. Angel on the other hand is still perfect, as it always was.
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May 29, 2018 18:17
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Araenna posted:It was an interesting idea but I think it would have worked better with some Chinese people in the main cast. Or the cast, period. I admit I didn't watch all the episodes, two being enough to let me know it was irredeemable poo poo, but I'm told by people who did that there isn't a single Asian actor with a speaking line in any episode of Firefly or the movie. Summer Glau and her brother were meant to be part Chinese, but the parts got whitewashed. The one good decision Fox made regarding Firefly was to cancel it. And they were too late with that.
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May 29, 2018 18:33
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StrangersInTheNight posted:also the chinese stuff is awkward and doesn't work out I get what they're going for but most of the time they're just butchering the pronunciation of small phrases that people learn in basic Chinese class. It's like how a lot of shows before the 90s had the Hispanic characters speak English but occasionally threw in random Spanish that everyone in a first year Spanish class would learn, amigo. Maybe it would have been less awkward if one character spoke something like Singlish or just spoke flawless Chinese except for when they randomly toss in a poorly pronounced English phrase. Or, you know, had Chinese actors involved.
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May 29, 2018 18:51
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I thought Firefly was fine for the most part, but it also gave me what I think is the worst hour of television I've ever watched in my life. It gets way overblown, and about a third of the episodes are almost actively bad, but I still kind of like it. It also made me briefly think that Adam Baldwin was okay, which is bad. Jedit posted:Or the cast, period. I admit I didn't watch all the episodes, two being enough to let me know it was irredeemable poo poo, but I'm told by people who did that there isn't a single Asian actor with a speaking line in any episode of Firefly or the movie. Summer Glau and her brother were meant to be part Chinese, but the parts got whitewashed. Yeah, they use a lot of Chinese intermingled with the English, but every planet is just stocked with white people and occasionally a black person or two. It's a bit weird.
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May 29, 2018 18:51
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Krispy Wafer posted:Or Firefly existed in the era before peak TV and streaming and compared to stuff at the time (which coincided with the advent of reality TV) it was pretty good. So it's not actually good.
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May 29, 2018 19:02
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Adam Baldwin had me fooled for a while between Firefly, Mass Effect, and Chuck.
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May 29, 2018 19:25
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I had watched Firefly over ten years ago and after seeing Cowboy Bebop, and Firefly always felt rough and uneven. I liked where I thought they were trying to go with it, but it never really came together. I still enjoyed the show, but I liked the movie much more. I recently rewatched a couple of episodes and found them boring. Also, I recently saw several Buffy episodes and the entirety of Angel. While Angel is much better than Buffy, I still found it mostly uninteresting. I kind of want to rewatch Cabin in the Woods, which I liked in the theater, but I'm hesitant now with my poor reception to all his other stuff.
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May 29, 2018 19:27
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fruit on the bottom posted:Adam Baldwin had me fooled for a while between Firefly, Mass Effect, and Chuck. I always knew the character was partially based on Baldwin's real persona (Reagan-loving, for example), but I never would've guessed he was that nuts.
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May 29, 2018 19:30
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I guess the new Roseanne show hasn't aged worth a poo poo ABC cancels 'Roseanne' after star's racist Twitter rant http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/29/media/roseanne-twitter-chelsea-clinton/index.html
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May 29, 2018 19:49
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ryonguy posted:one liner one liner one liner gratuitous jailbait Strong Female Character display one liner one liner That's what I don't understand. People are happy to admit his shows are flawed, but they go on and on about how he writes great characters and such snappy dialogue. Except he doesn't. Every single character in every Joss Whedon show speaks entirely in quips, most of which sound like they're supposed to be followed by "...and then everyone stood up and clapped!"
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May 29, 2018 20:01
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thats ok, the new season wasnt very good
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May 29, 2018 20:01
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Sweevo posted:That's what I don't understand. People are happy to admit his shows are flawed, but they go on and on about how he writes great characters and such snappy dialogue. Because it was new then. Now everybody and their mother does it, and better, so it doesn't seem so fresh.
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May 29, 2018 20:58
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Davros1 posted:Because it was new then. Now everybody and their mother does it, and better, so it doesn't seem so fresh. I'll agree with this. One of the featurettes had Whedon talk about how he didn't want a sci-fi show that had a pristine military ship that "transported ambassadors across space," or something like that, and wanted more of an "everyman in space" that didn't take itself too seriously. What we got is debatable, but it did stand out in that sense.
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May 29, 2018 21:05
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The 1992 Buffy is a perfect, flawless dark satire when viewed on its own merits. It was clearly written that way. Whedon and a large chunk of the fan base need to get over that.
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May 29, 2018 21:06
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mojo1701a posted:I'll agree with this. One of the featurettes had Whedon talk about how he didn't want a sci-fi show that had a pristine military ship that "transported ambassadors across space," or something like that, and wanted more of an "everyman in space" that didn't take itself too seriously. I don't know. Didn't Farscape do that? 
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May 29, 2018 21:10
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't know. Didn't Farscape do that? And Space:Above and beyond?
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May 29, 2018 21:12
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mojo1701a posted:I'll agree with this. One of the featurettes had Whedon talk about how he didn't want a sci-fi show that had a pristine military ship that "transported ambassadors across space," or something like that, and wanted more of an "everyman in space" that didn't take itself too seriously. We have the Orville for that now, which is very good
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May 29, 2018 21:12
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't know. Didn't Farscape do that? Farscape is absolutely nuts and I love it. But it also had aliens, which Firefly did not.
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May 29, 2018 21:15
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englerp posted:And Space:Above and beyond? And Andromeda.
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May 29, 2018 21:22
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Firefly was obviously Joss Whedon watching Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop and copying them. Angel is mostly perfect except for everything involving Connor(so pretty much the fourth season).
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May 29, 2018 21:36
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TIL that goons hate Firefly. I dunno maybe I had the advantage of never having watched any Joss Whedon before, but I thought it was fantastic. In fact, I should watch it again; probably been close to 10 years. I'll report back if it hasn't aged well.
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May 29, 2018 21:42
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A lot of us probably liked it 15 years ago. But think of all the dumb poo poo you liked 15 years ago.
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May 29, 2018 21:48
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I still maintain that every TV show more than five years old that you remember fondly is a dozen great scenes threaded between hours of garbage. I'm sure Firefly is the same.
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May 29, 2018 21:49
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Except Deadwood which is still great.
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Gaunab posted:Firefly was obviously Joss Whedon watching Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop and copying them. This is basically why I liked what I liked of it. I love Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star, all my friends love Firefly, and Wikipedia lists all 3 under "space western", so I gave it a shot. I like most of it, but I absolutely get why people wouldn't like it if they were looking for, like, serious science fiction. I also understand why the original broadcast order had the first episode moved back because boy howdy was that a boring thing to watch.
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May 29, 2018 21:50
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Not Operator posted:I still maintain that every TV show more than five years old that you remember fondly is a dozen great scenes threaded between hours of garbage. I'm sure Firefly is the same. Terriers. Fight me.
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May 29, 2018 21:50
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Terriers. Fight me. They're my very favorite breed.
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May 29, 2018 21:54
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Iron Crowned posted:We have the Orville for that now, which is very good I’m guessing that show must have had some drastic improvement by the end of the season because otherwise yikes
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May 29, 2018 22:06
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fruit on the bottom posted:I’m guessing that show must have had some drastic improvement by the end of the season because otherwise yikes Yeah, I gave it a try after all the glowing reviews and bounced off hard after a handful of episodes. Pretty much none of the jokes landed for me, but the constant attempts to be funny sure managed to undermine any attempts at drama.
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Not Operator posted:Except Deadwood which is still great. And The Wire, too, you Hooplehead.
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