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https://twitter.com/riegertbernd/status/1001455537240858625?s=21 Mein Kommissar GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 15:03 on May 29, 2018 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Wouldn't they just start twisting his words instead? This line of thought basically just means you'll go through every decent politician until you get a modern social democrat in charge. You need to do politics to be a politician. I mostly agree with the guy's ideas, but all he does is obstructionism. He'd rather protest than make a difference in Parliament. On that note, I was shocked to hear he was supporting Pedro Sánchez's current motion of no confidence against Rajoy... Until I found out he just said Sánchez should resign if his motion fails. Because of course he did. Nevermind that he himself filled a failed motion of no confidence just one year ago. He needs to step down and let Errejon take over. Elman fucked around with this message at 13:17 on May 29, 2018 |
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May 29, 2018 13:15
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/riegertbernd/status/1001455537240858625?s=21 Mijn president: https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1001456134761472000
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May 29, 2018 15:34
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Dawncloack posted:* Italciao is the correct portmanteau and no one is telling me the opposite. Well I have a contender: uscitalia, the second half of the first word being the same as the first half of the second.
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May 29, 2018 15:42
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You can't respect people voting for M5S, Podemos, AfD, Lega Nord, FN, AfD, SYRIZA, Die Linke
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May 29, 2018 16:18
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Wow, such extreme populism on display - disgusting.Elman posted:You need to do politics to be a politician. I mostly agree with the guy's ideas, but all he does is obstructionism. He'd rather protest than make a difference in Parliament.
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May 29, 2018 16:19
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Well done Mr. Oettinger, it's not like you're playing exactly into the Lega's hands or anything. I'd be amazed if that's not a digital ad by tomorrow.
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May 29, 2018 16:25
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Junior G-man posted:Well done Mr. Oettinger, it's not like you're playing exactly into the Lega's hands or anything. I'd be amazed if that's not a digital ad by tomorrow. The Deutsche Welle journalist tries to take the bullet for him: https://twitter.com/RiegertBernd/status/1001472031609716736 But substantively the full quote is saying much the same thing as the paraphrased one. It's amazing that Germany picked this guy as European Commissioner.
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May 29, 2018 16:38
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GaussianCopula posted:You can't respect people voting for M5S, Podemos, AfD, Lega Nord, FN, AfD, SYRIZA, Die Linke Its true folks, the people voting for these parties are not our best. And some,i guess, are good people.
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May 29, 2018 16:38
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Pluskut Tukker posted:
It'll be so much better once Wiedmann takes Draghi's place at the ECB 
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May 29, 2018 16:42
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https://twitter.com/MmiraSam/status/1001428160448253953 things may be moving in italy? https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1001489279019778048 double nine fucked around with this message at 16:46 on May 29, 2018 |
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May 29, 2018 16:44
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Junior G-man posted:It'll be so much better once Wiedmann takes Draghi's place at the ECB The blinkeredness of the German political and economic discourse is as much a threat to the future of the EU as is populism. e: Juncker also doing damage control https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1001489383671910405 e: and the German EU-minister too Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 17:02 on May 29, 2018 |
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May 29, 2018 16:55
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Pluskut Tukker posted:The blinkeredness of the German political and economic discourse is as much a threat to the future of the EU as is populism. It's bigger, given that it's one of the main causes of the rise of populism.
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May 29, 2018 17:01
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The tweet we are discussing seems to have been erased. Apparently the author was less proud of the tweet than GC. What did it say? "Italians voted wrong, they are stupid?"
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May 29, 2018 17:17
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Dawncloack posted:The tweet we are discussing seems to have been erased. Apparently the author was less proud of the tweet than GC. He was originally paraphrased as saying that "the market will teach Italians how to vote". It would not be out of character for him to say something that stupid though. Cerebral Bore posted:It's bigger, given that it's one of the main causes of the rise of populism. Here I have to differ a bit since it is entirely too convenient for governments implementing rightwing policies to blame the EU or Germany if these turn out to be too unpopular, since often these policies are what they wanted to do anyway [see e.g. here for an academic treatment of this in the case of the Portuguese bailout]. Germany is not all-powerful in the EU, though obviously its policy preferences are very important.
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May 29, 2018 17:41
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You know who is telling his voters that markets are wrong and electing him will show them who is boss? recep tayyip erdogan It’s absurd that the EU figureheads don’t have the balls to tell the truth to the Italien electorate. You can’t vote that water is not wet.
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May 29, 2018 18:12
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Nice try, but the thing is that, incredibly, occasionally voters may make decisions for other reasons than what the market might say.
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May 29, 2018 18:16
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Nice try, but the thing is that, incredibly, occasionally voters may make decisions for other reasons than what the market might say. But it is still the truth. Voters might ignore it but you can’t fault a man for telling it like it is - or do you want politicians to lie?
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May 29, 2018 18:22
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technically, wetness is not a intrinsic property of any liquid. this analogy works much like the financial markets, that seem to work, because everyone pretends that it does,until you look closely,then they dont.
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May 29, 2018 18:23
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Pluskut Tukker posted:The Deutsche Welle journalist tries to take the bullet for him: I was going to post this. The paraphrase was an excellent synthesis, Oettinger wasn't being misquoted or misrepresented in any way.
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May 29, 2018 18:31
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Pluskut Tukker posted:He was originally paraphrased as saying that "the market will teach Italians how to vote". It would not be out of character for him to say something that stupid though. Sup my man, just to say thank you for that link and pdf document which i was unaware off, and while by my cursory reading it seems to be broadly correct it maybe implies that whitout the explicit backing of the troika many of the measures wouldnt be as readilly acepted. The narrative that we were living beyond our means was sold 24/7 in those years. Going beyond the troika is the main reason why the center right was kicked out and are in the wilderness for the foreseable future, and why the euroceptics have jumped up. Portugal is in a unique situation in europe in that it has a nominally leftish goverment,which seems to have subdued the worst excesses from the far-right, a living memory of being under fascism,and because all the insane populist go into football.
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May 29, 2018 19:00
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double nine posted:things may be moving in italy?  He took more time, he'll answer tomorrow. Maybe. I want to propose a set of questions that managed to trigger a guy I know, while discussing about the relationship between finance and democracy. Assuming that our current position is the result of poor politics (either through incompetence or straight maliciousness), can these errors be pardoned? All of them? Some of them? Who is accountable for those errors? Is there a model to establish the threshold for a political error to be pardoned? When are anti-euro political platforms acting in good faith, trying to ask for more permessive financial limits, and when are they blackmailing the rest of the EU instead, trying to re-create the error margins and commit the same errors again? Char fucked around with this message at 19:10 on May 29, 2018 |
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May 29, 2018 19:03
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Char posted:
Hmm depends on who you ask, for some people its,in order, no,no,no,whomever is holding the buck when it stops,only the voters or society at large,depends if said permissiveness lowers the infant death rate and not raise it in the name of balanced budgets,who the gently caress knows but people who refuse to learn from history shouldnt even run a lemonade stand. Of course,other people will say FYGM,so you know, many sides,many sides.
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May 29, 2018 23:08
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The stop-start chaos of finding a new prime minister in Italy is unlike anything I've seen in many years of betting on politics. Far be it for normal folks to know what is going on...not even the principals involved have the faintest idea on how this will end, or when!
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May 29, 2018 23:59
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Reminded of Australia after John Howard, not a single PM has lasted their whole term since and we're still placing bets on the current one. Authoritarian heads of state work so hard to disrupt stability that doesn't support them that huge power gaps are left once they finally go.
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May 30, 2018 07:48
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Meanwhile, the European Parliament is throwing a big rager to get young'uns interested in what's going on in Brussels: quote:MEPs including Tomáš Zdechovský, Eva Kaili, Brando Benifei, Dita Charanzová, Karima Delli and Terry Reintke will team up with professional rappers for a freestyle hip hop battle about Europe this Friday at 6:30 p.m. in Strasbourg. The duel is part of the European Youth Event 2018. And I can't not give you the teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5F21w-Er5E
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May 30, 2018 09:02
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Junior G-man posted:Meanwhile, the European Parliament is throwing a big rager to get young'uns interested in what's going on in Brussels: They should just play the best economic rap out there Part I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk Part II https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc
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May 30, 2018 09:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXiJ_DMPUeI This one is pretty good too though I can't find a version with english subtitles
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May 30, 2018 09:24
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Re: Iberian Divorthe, how accurate is this? https://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/politica/todos-alcaldes-franquistas-absorbio-ciu_143348_102.html
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May 30, 2018 11:56
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Actual numbers? No idea, although "el Español" is very right wing and very anti-independence, so I'd expect some serious fudging. The idea that the people in charge with Franco where the people in charge after Franco? 100% right. In order to smooth the Transition, we just gave a blanket pardon to everyone and didn't point too many fingers, so the people with power, money and influence kept having money, power and influence.
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May 30, 2018 17:35
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this might be my favorite tweet all week: https://twitter.com/hannahkuchler/status/1001877895873159168
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May 30, 2018 18:51
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Pluskut Tukker posted:The Deutsche Welle journalist tries to take the bullet for him: Still relevant: 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Pluskut Tukker posted:It's amazing that Germany picked this guy as European Commissioner. It's not, really. European politics is where they send you when your career is done. I for one am happy this gently caress is ... somewhere doing ... things instead of actively governing my state.
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May 31, 2018 11:41
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Sereri posted:It's not, really. European politics is where they send you when your career is done. I for one am happy this gently caress is ... somewhere doing ... things instead of actively governing my state. I'm familiar with that way of doing things, but figured that Germany is a big country and so it would have a larger reservoir of political has-beens to draw from, some of whom are bound to be less awful than Oettinger. Anyway, lots in the thread I'd like to comment on, but for now there is some drama going on in Spain where the socialists have filed a motion of no-confidence against Rajoy over the Gürtel scandal showing widespread corruption in the PP, and there seems to be a good chance that it might pass, in which case the PSOE's Pedro Sanchéz would form a government. This would be a somewhat less spectacular political change than you'd think though, as he has promised to implement the PP's budget for now (the reason for this is probably that the budget contains a
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May 31, 2018 12:06
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Pluskut Tukker posted:This would be a somewhat less spectacular political change than you'd think though, as he has promised to implement the PP's budget for now (the reason for this is probably that the budget contains a Sanchez has just declared that he will respect the budget, the motion is looking more and more likely to pass.
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May 31, 2018 12:15
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Hey, speaking of drama and economics, who's ready for some moar trade woar? https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1002184370201886720
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May 31, 2018 15:16
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And it happens the day Merkel is in China to talk about the (no longer potential) Trade war and Iran. Color me surprised. E: China not germany 
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May 31, 2018 15:24
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Here's some moar woar content from the FT: quote:US to impose tariffs on EU, Canada and Mexico https://www.ft.com/content/7ba37aa2-64ac-11e8-a39d-4df188287fff Also I'm pretty sure it was in the papers this week that Trump yelled at Wilbur Ross a lot that he wasn't saving the American economy or whatever so now this. Quelle surprise.
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May 31, 2018 15:28
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Does this mean we in Europe can finally stop being vassals to the US? What more will it take?
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Namarrgon posted:Does this mean we in Europe can finally stop being vassals to the US? What more will it take? No, it just means jobs will be lost and all sorts of things will become more expensive for no reason whatsoever. e: latest from Spain is that the Basques have said they will support the motion to censure the government and C's will abstain, which if I understand correctly means that the PSOE will take over the government unless Rajoy resigns first. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 15:45 on May 31, 2018 |
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