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Hipster_Doofus posted:TIL that goons hate Firefly. I dunno maybe I had the advantage of never having watched any Joss Whedon before, but I thought it was fantastic. In fact, I should watch it again; probably been close to 10 years. Firefly is an okay show that is hurt by a fanbase that refuses to let it go. Perestroika posted:Yeah, I gave it a try after all the glowing reviews and bounced off hard after a handful of episodes. Pretty much none of the jokes landed for me, but the constant attempts to be funny sure managed to undermine any attempts at drama. They've said that for season 2 they're going to be dialing back on the humor. It will still be a funny show but MacFarlane has said that he wants the humor to come organically instead of just going "well, we haven't had a joke in a couple of minutes, better put one in."
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fruit on the bottom posted:I’m guessing that show must have had some drastic improvement by the end of the season because otherwise yikes It seems to scratch a very specific itch for some people. It's recycling 20-40 year old Star Trek content in an extremely straightforward and sincere way (plus a few Family Guy gags), which is somehow incredibly appealing to certain kinds of viewers (and Seth McFarlane).
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May 29, 2018 22:23
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BiggerBoat posted:I guess the new Roseanne show hasn't aged worth a poo poo I watched that over the weekend. They were trying too hard to cram 20 years of social events into nine episodes.
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May 29, 2018 22:24
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sassassin posted:It seems to scratch a very specific itch for some people. It's recycling 20-40 year old Star Trek content in an extremely straightforward and sincere way (plus a few Family Guy gags), which is somehow incredibly appealing to certain kinds of viewers (and Seth McFarlane). I don’t even like trek but something about The Orville worked for me.
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May 29, 2018 22:27
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Perestroika posted:Yeah, I gave it a try after all the glowing reviews and bounced off hard after a handful of episodes. Pretty much none of the jokes landed for me, but the constant attempts to be funny sure managed to undermine any attempts at drama. I agree, this show was very very bad and I don't understand anyone who praises it. In one of the episodes, a totallynotklingon girl does something vaguely competent and the genericblackguy character goes 'drat Dora the explora got balls son!'
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May 29, 2018 22:28
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Captain Monkey posted:I agree, this show was very very bad and I don't understand anyone who praises it. Just admit you didn't watch any of it
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May 29, 2018 22:34
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Not Operator posted:I still maintain that every TV show more than five years old that you remember fondly is a dozen great scenes threaded between hours of garbage. I'm sure Firefly is the same.
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May 29, 2018 22:36
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Seth MacFarlane is awful and there is no good reason to waste a second watching whatever new garbage thing he's done just so you can say "yup, this one is bad too"
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May 29, 2018 22:38
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Iron Crowned posted:Just admit you didn't watch any of it I watched 2 full episodes.
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May 29, 2018 22:39
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Seth MacFarlane has created hours and hours of TV but you could replace them all with five minutes of a dude singing in a show tune style voice about how gross gay people are and nobody would notice
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May 29, 2018 22:41
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May 29, 2018 22:43
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muscles like this! posted:They've said that for season 2 they're going to be dialing back on the humor. It will still be a funny show but MacFarlane has said that he wants the humor to come organically instead of just going "well, we haven't had a joke in a couple of minutes, better put one in." Good! I liked the 1st season well enough, but i could have done without the Family Guy Humour, which to be fair gets toned down during the course of season 1.
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May 29, 2018 22:44
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Captain Monkey posted:I agree, this show was very very bad and I don't understand anyone who praises it. I think the moment that landed the worst for me was in the pilot where he defeats the enemy ship by rapidly aging a seed into a mighty tree that crushes it with the quip of “Happy Arbor Day” (which I liked in a campy way) only for a bunch of people to tell him that he should have gone with “you got wood” and he agrees. Like, it was the one decently good joke and you immediately shat on it for something really dumb???
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May 29, 2018 22:49
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englerp posted:Good! I liked the 1st season well enough, but i could have done without the Family Guy Humour, which to be fair gets toned down during the course of season 1.
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May 29, 2018 22:54
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The Orville needs more Family Guy gags. Like way, way more. Because nothing about the plots or characters is remotely new or interesting. I watched 3 episodes and I'm not convinced they weren't simply shot for shot remakes of Voyager or SG-1 mid season filler. Which is great if you loved the same tv shows Seth McFarlane did growing up, and want to see them again.
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May 29, 2018 22:55
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i liked the orville after they toned down the jokes alot and seth wasnt in everything. and its the first sc-fi show ive seen in forever that isnt dark, gloomy and/or depressing.
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big cummers ONLY posted:A lot of us probably liked it 15 years ago. But think of all the dumb poo poo you liked 15 years ago. The Digimon movie soundtrack is great, you take that back
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May 29, 2018 23:21
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datajugend posted:i liked the orville after they toned down the jokes alot and seth wasnt in everything. and its the first sc-fi show ive seen in forever that isnt dark, gloomy and/or depressing. Huh, you're right, I'm drawing a blank here. Maybe Dirk Gently, but I didn't watch that one.
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May 29, 2018 23:23
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Samuringa posted:Huh, you're right, I'm drawing a blank here. Maybe Dirk Gently, but I didn't watch that one. datajugend posted:and its the first sc-fi show ive seen in forever that isnt dark, gloomy and/or depressing. There's, um, Ash vs Evil Dead, again surprisingly upbeat for a show about unstoppable evil making people's blood spray everywhere whenever it wants. But not really sci-fi. Honestly though, I can hardly think of sci-fi that isn't gloomy even really delving back in time. I suppose there's Buck Rogers and arguably Knight Rider. Even Buck Rogers is pretty depressing if you think about the setting; "oh hey, in 500 years humans are so loving incompetent that a guy from ~now, with no experience of how anything works in that time, is like a superhero in comparison."
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May 29, 2018 23:46
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yeah but im not thinking about just the people and the mood of the show being upbeat, but also colors and lighting. farscape could be upbeat but it was still dark and gloomy. orvilles set is colorful and bright, it feels more like a place people would stay than say for example the expanse.
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May 30, 2018 00:06
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What's hilarious about Firefly is Joss thought he was being sooo smart by going "see China is growing so fast they'll obviously be so important that everyone knows Chinese in the spacefuture!" (if he'd made Firefly in the 80s it would have been Japan/Japanese) and then he didn't even bother to cast anyone from SE Asia at all, let alone China.
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May 30, 2018 00:13
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:What's hilarious about Firefly is Joss thought he was being sooo smart by going "see China is growing so fast they'll obviously be so important that everyone knows Chinese in the spacefuture!" (if he'd made Firefly in the 80s it would have been Japan/Japanese) and then he didn't even bother to cast anyone from SE Asia at all, let alone China. I like to think that in this future, the Chinese government just threw a bunch of money at the problem but didn't really consider the long-term logistics of how its people would interact with other colonists. Instead, they insisted that as an equal partner, Chinese culture and language should be taught equal to that of American culture and the English language but did a poor job of it and it never actually grew organically. That's how we get crappy Mandarin spoken, Chinese influences, but not a lot of actual Chinese people.  I've thought about this way too much.
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May 30, 2018 00:19
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Firefly was an OK show. I liked the episode where they went to the rich planet to steal from the hospital. Oh, and the one where they went to the party and they had a sword fight.
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May 30, 2018 00:30
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purple death ray posted:They're my very favorite breed. I've heard they're cute and cuddly, easy dogs to feed.
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May 30, 2018 01:03
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Krispy Wafer posted:Or Firefly existed in the era before peak TV and streaming and compared to stuff at the time (which coincided with the advent of reality TV) it was pretty good. Firefly and Arrested Development only became popular because Fox dumped them onto Hulu for free in it's early days, before even Netflix streaming. Millennials ate up free online content where they could get it, and both shows do have quality over early YouTube poo poo. Both would have never been remembered otherwise.
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May 30, 2018 01:11
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Firefly was popular before Hulu. It was perpetually on the top DVD sellers which is why they re-released it so many times.
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May 30, 2018 01:14
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Mu Zeta posted:Firefly was popular before Hulu. It was perpetually on the top DVD sellers which is why they re-released it so many times. Not to mention that the movie was released several years before Hulu existed.
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May 30, 2018 01:43
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Fox canceled Space Above and Beyond, which was better than Firefly.
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Space Above and Beyond was the ugliest most boring piece of crap ever put on TV which is why it was cancelled. Firefly is also extremely unpleasant to look at and boring. See ya in hell, both shows.
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:Space Above and Beyond was the ugliest most boring piece of crap ever put on TV which is why it was cancelled. Firefly is also extremely unpleasant to look at and boring. See ya in hell, both shows. I remember liking Space: Above and Beyond, but I was probably 13 when it was broadcast and I liked that lovely Canadian sci-fi show with an AI named Caravaggio that completely changed cast and tone between its two seasons.
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Honestly all I remember about it is sitting in my grandmother's house and having it on but being too depressed by the color palette to pay attention to it. Maybe the plot was great.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Hell, as said they demonstrate this in the very series with grandpa Sisko trying Ferengi-Cajun fusion cooking. And Jake's favourite breakfast combines Earth, Bajoran and Klingon food and drink. What eps talked about that? jog me.
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Jason Sextro posted:I've heard they're cute and cuddly, easy dogs to feed. I'd give them a chance.
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:Honestly all I remember about it is sitting in my grandmother's house and having it on but being too depressed by the color palette to pay attention to it. Maybe the plot was great. Now I haven't seen it since I was 15, but I really liked it. I seem to recall watching that and playing Wing Commander 3 at the same time and I get aspects of them confused with each other.
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May 30, 2018 03:29
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Space Above and Beyond probably would have done a lot better 10-12 years later. An exchange like this was probably a bit jarring in terms of attitude for an action Sci-Fi show in the 90s, but post-BSG, I could see it being pretty accepted or expected from an audience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOb6V9gzrKM&t=495s
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JediTalentAgent posted:Space Above and Beyond probably would have done a lot better 10-12 years later. An exchange like this was probably a bit jarring in terms of attitude for an action Sci-Fi show in the 90s, but post-BSG, I could see it being pretty accepted or expected from an audience. This wouldn't look out of place in B5.  I mean, aside from none of the people involved having weird prosthetics or silly hair.
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Even with shows like B5, DS9 and SG-1, there felt like there was a slightly more 'hopeful' tone of it. I seem to remember Space:A&B getting a bit more pessimistic in its tone.
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Quote-Unquote posted:There were quite a few times in House MD where video games being played realistically. Then in one of the later seasons there was a hilariously dumb bad CGI section that was supposed to be a VR game, and they used clips from that to represent all video games in the universe from that point on (it appeared as a lightgun game and played with a regular controller). House MD + video game = 
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JediTalentAgent posted:Even with shows like B5, DS9 and SG-1, there felt like there was a slightly more 'hopeful' tone of it. I seem to remember Space:A&B getting a bit more pessimistic in its tone. Imho, most of the time neither SG-1 nor Atlantis were that dark (Compared to B5, DS9 and nBSG). SGU was kinda. (Though they toned that down a bit in Season 2, which i honestly really liked, while i kind of found Season 1 a bit meh). Sure, they had some dark moments, but both SG1 and SG:A mostly were adventure shows in a military scifi setting.
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Gaunab posted:Firefly was obviously Joss Whedon watching Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop and copying them. SpacePig posted:This is basically why I liked what I liked of it. I love Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star, all my friends love Firefly, and Wikipedia lists all 3 under "space western", so I gave it a shot. Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star don't even belong in the same sentence, quality-wise. Outlaw Star is kinda fun but when you get down to it, is a trash harem anime in space. featuring such memorable characters as Big-Titted Yelling Catgirl, Big-titted Space Samurai Lady, and Big-titted Quiet Lady Who Floats Around A Mysterious Fluid While Naked. See us in our next episode, Boob Physics 2: Even Boobier!! Featuring: Gene's Big Gun!!!! Cowboy Bebop has Faye Valentine, sure, but overall is much more of a real show and is wayyyy better than OS. Plus it has Yoko Kanno's music. People group them together because Adult Swim ran them both in a time slot together and was good at making promos making them seem comparable.
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