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Rinkles posted:I've seen a lot of indignation from journalists. Which I get, but with his life on the line I don't know that anyone can judge. "I'm glad he's not dead, but we'd look better if he was."
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fatherboxx posted:If the sting was real and not just a big show (get ready for that narrative from Russia, holy poo poo) these journalists just show themselves as idiots. "Oh no my precious news cycle and heartfelt tweets of rememberance!" On the other hand, Putin can literally have him murdered (again) any time now and just pretend he is still alive.
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May 30, 2018 16:11
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I don't get it. How do they catch his potential assassins by staging his murder? I don't understand the logic or the process.
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May 30, 2018 16:23
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Vegetable posted:I don't get it. How do they catch his potential assassins by staging his murder? I don't understand the logic or the process. Snatch squad outside
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May 30, 2018 16:24
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^^^or thatVegetable posted:I don't get it. How do they catch his potential assassins by staging his murder? I don't understand the logic or the process. Step 1: know murder is planned Step 2: catch would-be assassin in trap Step 3: make would-be assassin rat out who hired him
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May 30, 2018 16:25
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So there was an actual attempt at murder?
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May 30, 2018 16:26
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Vegetable posted:I don't get it. How do they catch his potential assassins by staging his murder? I don't understand the logic or the process.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:^^^or that More like ‘subvert assassin, publicise death, wait for money to arrive in assassin’s account, track money’.
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May 30, 2018 16:27
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OK, that makes much more sense.
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May 30, 2018 16:28
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Incredible operation and that it worked without anyone getting killed or the sting falling apart is just wow.
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May 30, 2018 16:31
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I don't buy the story. Not saying that it is false, but there is nothing to back it up and it sounds more like a cheap publicity stunt. What were they thinking???
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Nenonen posted:I don't buy the story. Not saying that it is false, but there is nothing to back it up and it sounds more like a cheap publicity stunt. What were they thinking??? Huh? What do you mean, ‘nothing to back it up’? You think they just randomly decided to arrest those people?
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May 30, 2018 16:36
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Nenonen posted:I don't buy the story. Not saying that it is false, but there is nothing to back it up and it sounds more like a cheap publicity stunt. What were they thinking??? Wat
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May 30, 2018 16:38
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May 30, 2018 16:40
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Nenonen posted:I don't buy the story. Not saying that it is false, but there is nothing to back it up and it sounds more like a cheap publicity stunt. What were they thinking??? one presumes the two people they have in custody will back it up
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Darth Walrus posted:More like ‘subvert assassin, publicise death, wait for money to arrive in assassin’s account, track money’.
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May 30, 2018 16:44
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Nenonen posted:I don't buy the story. Not saying that it is false, but there is nothing to back it up and it sounds more like a cheap publicity stunt. What were they thinking??? Catching the paymaster of an international ring of assassins is a pretty amazing ladder to climb. Once you chase the $$ you don't know where the investigation could end up. The international community is sick of Russia being able to assassinate people practically anywhere in the world, so measures were probably taken or leads were followed, resulting in another assassination being planned. If this was a publicity stunt they would put the would-be assassins infront of a camera and blabber on about stupid poo poo while they sit in a courtroom jail cell and get yelled at by ukrainians. Instead foreign assets were used to trick the Paymaster into showing his hand, this isn't going to be a public investigation, and the worst is yet to come. This is just step 1 in a long investigation into Russian assassination operations. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 16:51 on May 30, 2018 |
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I really want to know more about how they pulled this thing off. It sounds absolutely bonkers.
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Rinkles posted:I've seen a lot of indignation from journalists. Which I get, but with his life on the line I don't know that anyone can judge. Journalists tend to be huge egotistical babies unfortunately.
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Stopping an assassination and disrupting a greater effort to murder even more people, and gathering some evidence on who's behind it is nice and all, but this whole thing hurt my feelings so maybe a bunch of people should have died instead to protect the integrity of the news cycle? Also this whole thing is unorthodox so I don't like it! I don't believe it without a body, they should have gone after the killer only after he killed someone, not before. It's not fair play.
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:Journalists tend to be huge egotistical babies unfortunately. https://twitter.com/CochraneCBC/status/1000089672478089217?s=19
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May 30, 2018 17:03
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local news just started reporting on the murder of the journalist, can't wait for them to catch up with this
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May 30, 2018 17:17
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axeil posted:I really want to know more about how they pulled this thing off. It sounds absolutely bonkers. A former soldier in Ukraine was contacted by a Ukrainian national to murder a prominent Russian journalist currently in Ukraine (who happens to write a lot of stuff the Kremlin doesn't like) for money. The former soldier presumably accepted the offer, but then went to the cops and told them all about it. The cops then started watching the guy who hired him for the hit. The cops then get in touch with the journalist and fake his death, to make it appear the former soldier killed him as requested. They are then able to see and make records of who the guy who hired him contacts about the murder, where the reward money comes from, etc. Then they grab the dude who hired him and whoever gave him the money and/or he reported the "successful" murder to. At this point journalists complain about being misled or whatever and a select few SA posters get butthurt that the (obvious Nazi lover) journalist isn't really dead and glorious Russian assassin guys are in jail. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 18:00 on May 30, 2018 |
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May 30, 2018 17:54
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May 30, 2018 17:56
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And nowhere in that process did they stop to think about journalists who would post about his death on twitter and then feel embarrassed later. The ends don't justify the means!
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Darth Walrus posted:Huh? What do you mean, ‘nothing to back it up’? You think they just randomly decided to arrest those people? I don't know, this is Eastern Europe so anything is possible. If this happened in Russia I bet you wouldn't trust the FSB telling the same story.
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Nenonen posted:I don't know, this is Eastern Europe so anything is possible. If this happened in Russia I bet you wouldn't trust the FSB telling the same story. #1 it's not the FSB saying it #2 the number of Russian dissidents and journalist being killed makes it far more credible #3 lol
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May 30, 2018 18:05
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Journalists and other figures critical of Russia are being killed at an alarming rate, often with pretty damning evidence the order came straight from the kremlin. A security agency actually trying to do something about this seems good.
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May 30, 2018 18:08
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Nenonen posted:I don't know, this is Eastern Europe so anything is possible. If this happened in Russia I bet you wouldn't trust the FSB telling the same story. if you wouldn't trust known liars, why would you trust people who aren't known liars? makes you think.
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I think Ukraine is just doing this to make russia look bad, like when they shot down that plane or pretended Crimea existed.
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Baronjutter posted:Journalists and other figures critical of Russia are being killed at an alarming rate, often with pretty damning evidence the order came straight from the kremlin. A security agency actually trying to do something about this seems good. I need to look up if any of those complaining about this today wrote that editorial about it yesterday about Ukraine being bad at preventing assassinations. All the fainting "guardians of truth" also seems to fill to notice that a planned and ordered-to-be-done assassination isn't all that different from a successful one as far as what it says about the one who ordered it.
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Baronjutter posted:I think Ukraine is just doing this to make russia look bad, like when they shot down that plane or pretended Crimea existed. No, but it gives a field day for Russian propagandists. You are free to believe that this was a good thing for Ukraine's credibility, of course. I think it was a fuckup.
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Nenonen posted:No, but it gives a field day for Russian propagandists. You are free to believe that this was a good thing for Ukraine's credibility, of course. I think it was a fuckup. I think the answer to that is that Ukrainians has long stopped giving a drat about what Russia says and what two-sideist Kremlin-paroting excuses for "journalists" say. Because if "Russia tried to kill someone but the drat shadey Ukrainian services prevented it but also misinformed the public for under 24 hours to prevent it" is supposed to be a winning argument....
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Nenonen posted:I think it was a fuckup. Well, certainly! Russia couldn't kill that guy, what an embarrassment! A terrible gently caress-up by the Russian security agencies.
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Nenonen posted:No, but it gives a field day for Russian propagandists. You are free to believe that this was a good thing for Ukraine's credibility, of course. I think it was a fuckup. I still don't even remotely get your angle. How was preventing an assassination that's also disrupted alleged other assassinations a fuckup? If someone came to you saying they had been hired to kill a journalist, how would you have handled the sting operation to try to get as much intel on the people who tried to hire him? Remember, no matter what the outcome russia will just say it's lies. Journalist is killed: no evidence it was russia, probably his CIA handlers, Ukraine sure has poor internal security! Journalist isn't killed due to the hired soldier going to the authorities: no evidence russia hired him, he's just a retired soldier making up stories or paid by ukraine/West. Journalist isn't killed and a clever bit of deception helps them find out more about the people involved: Oh just more lies from the Junta, and hurt feelings of journalists!
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I live in Ukraine and I've seen some crazy poo poo in the almost 2 years I've been here. But this is some top level "anything is possible" poo poo even for Ukraine. It's awesome.
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