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Parasol Prophet
Aug 31, 2012

We Are Best Friends Now.
I hated self-reviews at my last job because the scale was like that-- 3 was "Meets Expectations" (and an unspoken failure) with "Exceeds" and "Exceptional" or something above it.

But my job consisted of completing and balancing a set number of reports per day, so how do you "exceed expectations" at that? I thought completing the reports with no mistakes WAS the expectation, and it's not like there were extra reports or anything to do beyond that.

I mentioned it to the person working with me at the time (who'd been working there about 20 years) and she said "Yeah, it doesn't make sense for us. Just say you did them fast or something."

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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Just understand that there are no universal truths. The real truth is what is useful for that particular situation. So say that you went beyond exceptional so you get a raise.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Parasol Prophet posted:

I hated self-reviews at my last job because the scale was like that-- 3 was "Meets Expectations" (and an unspoken failure) with "Exceeds" and "Exceptional" or something above it.

But my job consisted of completing and balancing a set number of reports per day, so how do you "exceed expectations" at that? I thought completing the reports with no mistakes WAS the expectation, and it's not like there were extra reports or anything to do beyond that.

I mentioned it to the person working with me at the time (who'd been working there about 20 years) and she said "Yeah, it doesn't make sense for us. Just say you did them fast or something."

That's pretty much self-evaluations for all jobs though. I don't even understand why jobs have self-evaluations other than to just make the boss's job easier. They're just going to give you a couple 4s and a couple 2s to negate the 4s, so you have a permanent baseline of 3 across the board.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Iron Crowned posted:

That's pretty much self-evaluations for all jobs though. I don't even understand why jobs have self-evaluations other than to just make the boss's job easier. They're just going to give you a couple 4s and a couple 2s to negate the 4s, so you have a permanent baseline of 3 across the board.

Hand you your 2-3% raise for the year and move on to the next one.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Solice Kirsk posted:

Hand you your 2-3% raise for the year and move on to the next one.

That's after you get the whole "If I gave you a bigger raise, I'd have to give someone else a smaller raise" excuse.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

Iron Crowned posted:

That's after you get the whole "If I gave you a bigger raise, I'd have to give someone else a smaller raise" excuse.

Is this the appropriate time to start throwing your coworkers under the bus and telling the boss who deserves the smaller raises?

anyway the only time I had to do a self-evaluation was on some of my grad school applications where I had to fill out a form and rate myself and then give it to the professor writing the letter. I never saw the point - they are writing the letter as someone familiar with my skills/faults, shouldn't they be the ones telling you that stuff instead of basically signing off on a self-review? (I know some fields it is the norm to write your own reference letters, but that always seemed bizarre to me).

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Iron Crowned posted:

That's after you get the whole "If I gave you a bigger raise, I'd have to give someone else a smaller raise" excuse.

I once asked for a 10% raise at my old firm, and they said their compensation plan didn't allow for "excess" raises, just the 3-4% per year per employee. Then they begged me to stay when I put in my two weeks a month later and offered me 12%.

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH

Magic Hate Ball posted:

There was a little paper on the desk at the cell phone store I went to yesterday to change my plan at that said "please rate your sales associate on the following scale" and it had a 0-10 bar graph, and 9-10 were green and said "PASSING" and 0-8 were red and said "FAIL".

Calling 8 out of 10 "needs improvement" is ridiculous. I can't tell you why I didn't say 10, but I can't tell you what more could have been done. I guess offer me free overnight shipping on a 200lb item? Offer to come over to my house and walk my dog twice a day? If surveys are going to be on-off switches instead of aggregate data, then just make it "Happy? Yes/No".

It's the same as grade inflation. If you're a Phd. candidate, any grade lower than an A is failing. Even an A- is dangerous. My brother had an A- once and was in a panic when he was doing his course work.
It's just like any grading system though. A "C" should be the average grade but we all know that teachers will weight the curve to make sure that, somehow, all their students are above average.
The only class that I ever had that was graded on a proper curve with the highest grade setting the curve was physics in high-school. I once set the curve with the A being 21% correct. It was a tough class with a bad teacher.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Solice Kirsk posted:

I once asked for a 10% raise at my old firm, and they said their compensation plan didn't allow for "excess" raises, just the 3-4% per year per employee. Then they begged me to stay when I put in my two weeks a month later and offered me 12%.

A few jobs back I worked for a firm that gave my group an additional $0.50/hr every six months up to $2.00/hr, because they were that bad at retaining workers, and our customer demanded it.

My boss's excuse for one of my 2s was that I was "aloof" about my job responsibilities. The incident cited was simply the fact that I knew how to use the software better than my boss did.

Stairs
Oct 13, 2004
Okay this is less a pet peeve and more "really pisses me off".
Two of my children are under 6. The others are two teenagers and a 20 year old.

When I buy orange juice, it's for the whole house of course, but the youngest kids get really excited about it. Without fail my 20 year old will rush into the kitchen, pour the biggest glass we have full of juice, chug it down so quickly there's audible gulping and gasping, then immediately fill the glass back up. Her excuse is always "I was really thirsty."
You cannot possibly have enjoyed that juice chugging it down like you're playing beer pong. If you're so thirsty you're near death DRINK SOME loving WATER FIRST then get some juice. There are small children here who only get juice as a special treat and you are gulping that poo poo gone before they can even have a single glass. It's called having respect for other people.

I want to add that she does help with the house and with the kids when I'm at work so she isn't freeloading. That juice thing just really irks me.

burial
Sep 13, 2002

actually, that won't be necessary.
I have similar issues with my older two children (12 and 14) when I go ahead and buy something special, like treats or whatever. Anything I can’t hide, really.

I’ll say “there are X in the box. Please save one for me; I don’t want it yet but I know I’m going to.” A day, maybe two passes. I note the package is still in there and think “oh yay, they listened!” and go to have whatever it is. Empty box. Then both of them, AND my wife, will be all “if you wanted one, you should have eaten one when we got them” and be annoyed that I’m disappointed.

Just loving never eat the last ice cream sandwich. It isn’t hard and I don’t deserve to not get one at all because I didn’t want dessert the day I bought them. Jeez.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


mostlygray posted:

It's just like any grading system though. A "C" should be the average grade but we all know that teachers will weight the curve to make sure that, somehow, all their students are above average.
The only class that I ever had that was graded on a proper curve with the highest grade setting the curve was physics in high-school. I once set the curve with the A being 21% correct. It was a tough class with a bad teacher.
Grading to the curve is dumb in itself. The average shouldn't be C it should be whatever the average turns out to be. Turning school into a contest is counterproductive. You want all the students to achieve their highest potential and you want to give feedback that reflects whether or not they did that as well as whether or not they met expected standards for their year level. In small sample sizes (like a single class) you shouldn't expect the grades to fall neatly into a standard bell curve. There should be outliers, and if you've done your job right as teacher, the average should be high - reflecting the fact that your students actually learned what you were trying to teach.

Whiz Palace
Dec 8, 2013

Stairs posted:

It's called having respect for other people.

While shame culture is hosed up in many ways, its primary benefit is people realize that maybe they're not the most important person in the world, which helps prevent poo poo like that from happening.

Stairs
Oct 13, 2004

Whiz Palace posted:

While shame culture is hosed up in many ways, its primary benefit is people realize that maybe they're not the most important person in the world, which helps prevent poo poo like that from happening.

I just don't get why she's the only one who does this. Even my 20 month old knows to share. Sometimes when you don't want him to (no thanks, you eat that soggy goldfish you just had in your cup of juice.)
Her brain just goes "I want thing" so she gets thing. She's very respectful in most other aspects though. But uuuuugh.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
That's why I'm glad my wife and I both have a mentality of, "Oh, it's the last one, I'll leave it for them." And then we usually share whatever it is, but it annoys me that she refuses to take the big half. Dammit, woman, I'm giving it to you, take it!

I guess that's my pet peeve. When you're splitting something with someone and you offer them the big half and they adamantly refuse, like you're going to use it against them later or something.

Edit: Unless it's the end of a bag of chips or something like that. That poo poo is free game.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

burial posted:

I have similar issues with my older two children (12 and 14) when I go ahead and buy something special, like treats or whatever. Anything I can’t hide, really.

I’ll say “there are X in the box. Please save one for me; I don’t want it yet but I know I’m going to.” A day, maybe two passes. I note the package is still in there and think “oh yay, they listened!” and go to have whatever it is. Empty box. Then both of them, AND my wife, will be all “if you wanted one, you should have eaten one when we got them” and be annoyed that I’m disappointed.

Just loving never eat the last ice cream sandwich. It isn’t hard and I don’t deserve to not get one at all because I didn’t want dessert the day I bought them. Jeez.

Imagine being my parents living with my brother every time they buy something nice. Like any expensive deli meat/cheese, any type of chips/snack (they've started hiding those now), etc. Or if there's any leftover pizza forget about it - it's going to be gone overnight.

The big difference is he's not 12/14, he's 37.

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Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

yeah I eat rear end posted:

Imagine being my parents living with my brother every time they buy something nice. Like any expensive deli meat/cheese, any type of chips/snack (they've started hiding those now), etc. Or if there's any leftover pizza forget about it - it's going to be gone overnight.

The big difference is he's not 12/14, he's 37.

:lol: sounds like my brother, except he doesn't live with my parents, he just eats their food and leaves.

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .
Doctor Rope
I'm the only child of a single mom, and thankfully I have never had to compete for food. :unsmith:

PizzaProwler
Nov 4, 2009

Or you can see me at The Riviera. Tuesday nights.
Pillowfights with Dominican mothers.
I'm the youngest of nine children, so I just assume I won't get anything nice ever regarding food. It was good training for adult life when everything is disappointing.

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

burial posted:

I have similar issues with my older two children (12 and 14) when I go ahead and buy something special, like treats or whatever. Anything I can’t hide, really.

I’ll say “there are X in the box. Please save one for me; I don’t want it yet but I know I’m going to.” A day, maybe two passes. I note the package is still in there and think “oh yay, they listened!” and go to have whatever it is. Empty box. Then both of them, AND my wife, will be all “if you wanted one, you should have eaten one when we got them” and be annoyed that I’m disappointed.

Just loving never eat the last ice cream sandwich. It isn’t hard and I don’t deserve to not get one at all because I didn’t want dessert the day I bought them. Jeez.

I had a roommate like this years ago, only it got to the point after a few months that I bought a mini fridge for my room and locked up all the food I bought. Fucker would eat most of what I'd buy then either never buy more, or buy some cheap poo poo to replace it (ex: I'd buy a couple ribeye steaks, he'd eat both and then replace them with some cheap $5 chuck/shoe leather crap). He'd sulk or act like a little bitch whenever we were in the kitchen or dining room around each other, rubbing his stomach and complaining passively about how "there's no food" and how he was "soo hungry" but didn't want to go anywhere. He was also the type to never clean up or take trash out and I got sick of being a surrogate parent for his lazy rear end. Long story short I moved while he was on vacation with his family, took my name off everything and left him with a mostly empty apartment, because gently caress that guy.

Iron Crowned posted:

That's pretty much self-evaluations for all jobs though. I don't even understand why jobs have self-evaluations other than to just make the boss's job easier. They're just going to give you a couple 4s and a couple 2s to negate the 4s, so you have a permanent baseline of 3 across the board.

None of them make any sense though - the boss still has to give some kind of rating, so sitting around hemming and hawing over it is just a waste of time. Most of us already know that managers are going to give you the lowest score possible to screw people out of a good bonus while patting themselves on the back. I had the same issue at my last job and it was a big reason I left - I was working 55-60 hour weeks, lots of after hours project work, helping other teams out, and going well above and beyond my usual job duties due to short staffing. When I got my last review 2 months before quitting, I detailed everything out that I had done that went beyond my job title and daily work and management still found a way to nitpick dumb poo poo that had happened months before as their way of showing that I didn't deserve a better review/raise. I still ended up with "meets expectations" and a paltry 3% raise, so I started shopping my resume around, and got a better job making almost 30% more that's closer to home and has no after hours or on call requirements. Not surprisingly at least 9 other people have quit since I left, all for similar reasons, and former company is starting to struggle to keep their head above water...

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Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

Iron Crowned posted:

:lol: sounds like my brother, except he doesn't live with my parents, he just eats their food and leaves.

This is me, except it’s food that doesn’t fit my parents’ diets, so they eat some and save the rest for me so it doesn’t sit around and tempt them.

lidnsya
Nov 14, 2007
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-lidnsya.jpg"><br>All aboard the sleepy train!
Here's a nice wholesome minor pet peeve: when I ask for an email address or url and someone tells me it has capital letters in it.
I don't tell them it's not case sensitive or whatever, I just let it go, but it irks me.

Hirayuki
Mar 28, 2010


burial posted:

I’ll say “there are X in the box. Please save one for me; I don’t want it yet but I know I’m going to.” A day, maybe two passes. I note the package is still in there and think “oh yay, they listened!” and go to have whatever it is. Empty box.
Do they leave the empty box there, too? Holy poo poo. :sever:

My son will store snack bags and those theater-style boxes of candy in an appropriate place when he's done snacking, but they only have one or two pieces left in them. I think he's saving them for us, but if so, offer them to us before you put back the almost-empty box, you weirdo!

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar
My phone is trash and I wish my sim card worked in my old Razr. The charger plug falls out if you even look at it wrong (and yes, I've tried cleaning out the plug hole thing), and as I've mentioned before it loses wifi connection only on the right half of my bed so I can only use it laying toward the left, which is annoying because the charging cable is too short for this to be practical. I hate it.

teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

My sister says things she knows will wind me up then when I show even the slightest bit of emotion about it she makes this WHOA CALM DOWN THERE face and acts like I just exploded. This evening I honestly just asked could she not call my friends dog a rat every time I mention her (I puppy sit a lot and I love this dog she's awesome) because she knows it annoys me and got that face.

I do have a temper and have worked p hard to get better these last few years and I think I am vastly improved. But. She's winding me up on purpose so she can make that loving face I know she is and I'm going to strangle her to death.

artsy fartsy
May 10, 2014

You'll be ahead instead of behind. Hello!
Not exactly a peeve, but something I am completely baffled by all the time: the fact that more women don't use birth control pills to eliminate having a period.

I haven't had a period in years and it is the absolute best decision I ever made. I understand that when it comes to medical stuff what works for one person may not be feasible or practical for another, but I don't know a single other woman who does this.

I am on the stupidly expensive pills (LoLo) due to my own weird medical stuff, but according to my gyno the cheap ones can work the same way (you just skip the sugar pills, iirc.)

Ladies, rise up and cast off the red shackles!

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Solice Kirsk posted:

I once asked for a 10% raise at my old firm, and they said their compensation plan didn't allow for "excess" raises, just the 3-4% per year per employee. Then they begged me to stay when I put in my two weeks a month later and offered me 12%.

That's the worst thing because chances are they knew they were underpaying you. Then they act all surprised that you would even consider leaving. That or wondering why their underpaid employees aren't exactly enthusiastic about their jobs and refuse to put forth extra effort. Turnover gets too high and they can't seem to get senior people. What noobs they can snag soak up a few years of experience then leave when they realize they won't be making the money they should be unless they do.

Why yes I am currently an underpaid tech professional why do you ask?

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Then they act all surprised that you would even consider leaving.

A direct quote from a coworker after another coworker quit was "I guess I need to hire someone who actually wants to work." This coming from the guy who handpicked this kids resume and then treated him like poo poo from day one. The kid was a drat hard worker and smart too. All they had to do was not treat him like poo poo and he would have stuck around.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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I wasn't exactly underpaid, but they had just pissed me off by denying me the chance to switch positions (I was one of only 4 people that did my specific job) by waiting to sign off on my request until the position was filled. It was actually a really great company until I wanted to start furthering my career with them. A lot of that was the department I was in, but I was a goddamned limited partner with the firm and thought I deserved a little more.

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
FREE TIBET WEED

ToxicSlurpee posted:

That's the worst thing because chances are they knew they were underpaying you. Then they act all surprised that you would even consider leaving. That or wondering why their underpaid employees aren't exactly enthusiastic about their jobs and refuse to put forth extra effort. Turnover gets too high and they can't seem to get senior people. What noobs they can snag soak up a few years of experience then leave when they realize they won't be making the money they should be unless they do.

Why yes I am currently an underpaid tech professional why do you ask?

I wish there was some kind of magic accounting ledger that could show the real cost of things like loss of institutional knowledge, new hire ramp-up time, low morale, that kind of thing. Because I think I've met one person in a leadership position who was even aware that these things are factors in a company's success.

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

artsy fartsy posted:

Not exactly a peeve, but something I am completely baffled by all the time: the fact that more women don't use birth control pills to eliminate having a period.

I haven't had a period in years and it is the absolute best decision I ever made. I understand that when it comes to medical stuff what works for one person may not be feasible or practical for another, but I don't know a single other woman who does this.

I am on the stupidly expensive pills (LoLo) due to my own weird medical stuff, but according to my gyno the cheap ones can work the same way (you just skip the sugar pills, iirc.)

Ladies, rise up and cast off the red shackles!

or just do what i do and have PCOS

my peeve is not having a period. i wanna know i'm not pregnant!!

rchandra
Apr 30, 2013


lidnsya posted:

Here's a nice wholesome minor pet peeve: when I ask for an email address or url and someone tells me it has capital letters in it.
I don't tell them it's not case sensitive or whatever, I just let it go, but it irks me.

It's very possible for both email addresses and URLs to be case-sensitive. Compare the URLs for the wikipedia articles on Isis/ISIS.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


rchandra posted:

It's very possible for both email addresses and URLs to be case-sensitive.
URLs yes, but only the part after the third slash. Email addresses, no.

https://en.WiKiPeDiA.orG/wiki/Isis is the same as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis but different from https://en.WiKiPeDiA.orG/wiki/ISIS
tiggum@gmail.com is the same as TIGGUM@GMAIL.COM

Hirayuki
Mar 28, 2010


Killingyouguy! posted:

my peeve is not having a period. i wanna know i'm not pregnant!!
:agreed:, and this is speaking as a woman who's on her third Mirena in ten (?) years and has yet to experience the very common side effect of no periods, much to the consternation of my OB/GYN and assorted other medical folks. My wymynhood cannot be tamed :black101: but really I'm glad to be absolutly sure my (99.9-percent foolproof) birth control is working.

artsy fartsy
May 10, 2014

You'll be ahead instead of behind. Hello!

Killingyouguy! posted:

or just do what i do and have PCOS

my peeve is not having a period. i wanna know i'm not pregnant!!

There are ways to tell you aren't pregnant other than getting horrible abdominal cramps, bloating, diarrhea and blood pouring out ya cooch every month.

One time my cramps were so bad I nearly passed out on the toilet. I just sort of fell on the floor and stayed there all night, writhing, in so much pain I couldn't even talk or think or cry (I did all that later when I felt a little better.)

Sorry about the PCOS though, that sucks. :smith:

teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

Ovranette makes my periods light enough that they don’t even really bother me anymore tbh and I also like knowing I am not preggers. But I never had huge problems with cramps/bloating anyway so I am lucky that way.

artsy fartsy posted:

One time my cramps were so bad I nearly passed out on the toilet. I just sort of fell on the floor and stayed there all night, writhing, in so much pain I couldn't even talk or think or cry (I did all that later when I felt a little better.)

Wow that loving sucks :(

Thin Privilege
Jul 8, 2009
IM A STUPID MORON WITH AN UGLY FACE AND A BIG BUTT AND MY BUTT SMELLS AND I LIKE TO KISS MY OWN BUTT
Gravy Boat 2k
My cramps were so bad, always, but at one point in 2015, I had three months where I passed out on the floor after screaming in pain... I laid in the security guards desk on the dirty rear end floor. Was laying and writhing in pain in the grocery store floor. Went to my building lobby and embarrassed myself laying on the floor there. Hospital three months in a row.

After that, I got the arm implant and I love it, I have no periods AND NO PAIN!!!!

Also, I had similar horrible cramps on prom day so I look like an rear end in a top hat I’m every pic. And then one time I literally passed out on the floor from pain.

Peeve: stupid lovely women’s bodies. Why do they do this???

burial
Sep 13, 2002

actually, that won't be necessary.

Hirayuki posted:

Do they leave the empty box there, too? Holy poo poo. :sever:

My son will store snack bags and those theater-style boxes of candy in an appropriate place when he's done snacking, but they only have one or two pieces left in them. I think he's saving them for us, but if so, offer them to us before you put back the almost-empty box, you weirdo!

Yes. The empty box will stay in the refrigerator or cupboard. I’m pretty sure it’s to buy time. By the time I am likely to actually investigate the box, they’re all asleep and know even I probably won’t wake somebody up to go “WHO ATE THE LAST GODDAMN YUMMY THING?”

I didn’t do it six years ago when they devoured my entire birthday cake like loving animals before I woke up that day. Why would I do it now?


Maybe I should but it could go badly for me in other ways.

e: wait, something isn’t right there. Ok, I remember. I hadn’t gone to bed yet. It was late and they’d just gone BACK to bed without getting caught. I AM NOT BITTER ABOUT THIS AT ALL SHUT UP

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EdwardSwifferhands
Apr 27, 2008

I will probably lick whatever you put in front of me.

teenytinymouse posted:

Ovranette makes my periods light enough that they don’t even really bother me anymore tbh and I also like knowing I am not preggers. But I never had huge problems with cramps/bloating anyway so I am lucky that way

This right here, no offense.

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