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Assuming we're actually going after Sae and this isn't a setup like the Principal. Edit: Update on the last page.
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RickVoid posted:In retrospect, having watched the opening sequence multiple times (cause it's sooooo good) I really should have noticed we got arrested in our Phantom Theives gear. That's right! They've yet to show any of the phantom costumes materialize outside of the meta-verse yet they have showed people materializing without costumes in the meta-verse in several scenes (Bus scene in Futaba's scenario, Makoto in the bank palace). You couldn't make this connection without playing through most of the game though.
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I do find it very interesting that more peoples' reactions aren't "lol good riddance to bad rubbish", but maybe I'm just desensitized by this forum and emotes like  and  .
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Rogue 7 posted:I do find it very interesting that more peoples' reactions aren't "lol good riddance to bad rubbish", but maybe I'm just desensitized by this forum and emotes like A horrific murder on live tv can do a lot to kill hype that has been pushed to the breaking point.
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May 31, 2018 02:03
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I have a theory as to why Yusuke didn't have much of a reaction to much of the news while the others didn't. He had already figured out that the public would start to turn on the Phantom Thieves. Word of them had no doubt spread to Kousei, and the students there probably already said something similar to that. Kinda odd he wasn't shocked by Principal Kingpin's Calling card, though he probably doesn't care about him. Also... Arist posted:
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The public has praised them as “allies of justice,” before they strike them back to the ground… Now then, she’ll be next…
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KDavisJr posted:I have a theory as to why Yusuke didn't have much of a reaction to much of the news while the others didn't. He had already figured out that the public would start to turn on the Phantom Thieves. Word of them had no doubt spread to Kousei, and the students there probably already said something similar to that. Kinda odd he wasn't shocked by Principal Kingpin's Calling card, though he probably doesn't care about him. Yusuke even says it is as I suspected when Ann comments about the Negative press. Also yeah did Yusuke even know about that Principle.
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May 31, 2018 03:08
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The SIU Director's interjections are just so completely, utterly unnecessary and hamfisted
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May 31, 2018 03:27
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KDavisJr posted:"She'll be next"? Who is she- How does Maaku know about these parts he wasn't there for?
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May 31, 2018 03:28
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GeneX posted:The SIU Director's interjections are just so completely, utterly unnecessary and hamfisted Hobgoblin2099 posted:How does Maaku know about these parts he wasn't there for? I’m pretty sure those things are there to provide a buildup for our mystery villain that exists behind the scenes to ensure that they don’t come out of nowhere when they’re actually revealed.
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May 31, 2018 03:36
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Blademaster_Aio posted:I’m pretty sure those things are there to provide a buildup for our mystery villain that exists behind the scenes to ensure that they don’t come out of nowhere when they’re actually revealed. Oh yeah, it's obviously there for that it's just...they could have done it without the extremely (again) hamfisted "ah yes, everything is according to plan, they are being manipulated perfectly"
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May 31, 2018 03:41
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GeneX posted:Oh yeah, it's obviously there for that I much rather they go with hamfisted exposition over what was done in P3 where for large portions of the game you have barely a vague idea of what you are supposed to be doing.
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May 31, 2018 03:46
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Up til now I was occasionally wondering why we were doing seemingly real world thief stuff at the beginning that caused us to get caught and arrested (and what might happen story-wise to let demons into the real world, since some of the guys chasing Maaku transdormed). The fact that they did actually have to be physically fit to move around helped with the thought of all his acrobatics. Now, though, I'm wondering if this whole time we've been talking to Sae's mental self.
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May 31, 2018 05:21
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GeneX posted:Oh yeah, it's obviously there for that While he is pretty over the top, I just get the feeling from him that he’s trying to flatter whoever is higher up on the food chain than him. You know, the whole thing the advisor type character does to the king. I mean, going according to plan aside, he’s praising the other person a lot. Which is why it’s coming across so, ‘You’re so great, this plan is great and everything is working perfectly’.
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May 31, 2018 06:28
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amigolupus posted:Oh wow, I forgot that their dad was actually still alive. That's a little weird, since we get to see the other party members' dads at some point, even in flashbacks. I think kid me thought the slezeball was telling Katsuya to go sleep with the fishes like his dad or something.
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Arist posted:
Isn't that just because of Yusuke's height and where he's standing that we can't see the reactions on top of his head? Like if you look at the distance between the others' heads and the !, that would mean Yusuke's would be off-camera. GeneX posted:Oh yeah, it's obviously there for that For all of Persona 4's faults, it at least blindsided the mystery kids with Morooka's murder. It was really aggravating that the game beat you upside that head that you're playing right into the enemy's hands here and still forced you down that path.
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May 31, 2018 06:33
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Yusuke is busy thinking about whether or not he fed his lobsters today.
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Do you really think we’re playing in the villains’ hands? I mean, all of our targets at this point we unanimously chose to target for various reasons. Kamoshida, Madarame, Kaneshiro, Futaba and now Okumura - we had actual reasons to target them. Yes, the villains used this to their advantage, but actually it’s not like we would’ve ignored Okumura. What about Haru?? And his employees? He may not be completely rotten like Kamoshida but he definitely needed the change of heart (or at least, he needed to be kicked in the head for treating his daughter and actual humans like tools). All I’m saying is, someone is definitely trying to frame us, yes, but that doesn’t mean the targets we picked didn’t have legit reasons behind them. We didn’t target Okumura because of the poll. We targeted him because we thought he had information on the mental shut downs, because of Haru, because his business practices were downright terrible. The fact he was on top of the poll was simply another reason, if it was ever being considered. Oh and Akechi was on the poll too at one point, I think. Blademaster_Aio fucked around with this message at 07:03 on May 31, 2018 |
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The (obviously manipulated) poll is partly there to indicate that the Phantom Thieves aren't immune to social pressure IMO. Haru's dad did need a change of heart but even the game goes out of its way to point out that abusive bosses are a dime a dozen and that he was only special because of his scale. (I'm primarily thinking of the NPCs that talk about wanting help from the PT for their rear end in a top hat bosses too.) They could have gone after any CEO and still made their point but instead they do dedicate a chunk of time to worrying about the poll results. The game does not communicate it well but I think the idea is that they're being railroaded without realizing it.
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Keep in mind the fake calling card. Had we ignored Okumura the conference would have happened the same way anyways.
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HIJK posted:The (obviously manipulated) poll is partly there to indicate that the Phantom Thieves aren't immune to social pressure IMO. Haru's dad did need a change of heart but even the game goes out of its way to point out that abusive bosses are a dime a dozen and that he was only special because of his scale. (I'm primarily thinking of the NPCs that talk about wanting help from the PT for their rear end in a top hat bosses too.) They could have gone after any CEO and still made their point but instead they do dedicate a chunk of time to worrying about the poll results. This is what made me think the Phantom Thieves played right into the mastermind's hands in this case. They're probably a high-ranking government official so I'm guessing they have the money and the clout to manipulate information being released on the media. It's probably the main reason the Phantom Thieves popularity suddenly skyrocketed, or how the public became aware of Okumura and wanted to see him punished. Even the gang went "Wow, it sure is weird how we're so popular now/ how Okumura is suddenly in the spotlight" right before Mona's bullshit interrupted them from thinking that something might be up with that. EDIT: Omobono posted:Keep in mind the fake calling card. Had we ignored Okumura the conference would have happened the same way anyways. Huh, that's a good point. We could have just cut down this entire arc and we really wouldn't lose anything that important. amigolupus fucked around with this message at 09:49 on May 31, 2018 |
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They probably are being railroaded - or at least framed, but at the same time the group thought Okumura was connected to the mental shutdown cases, so that’s one reason he was the target instead of some random abusive boss.
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Blademaster_Aio posted:Do you really think we’re playing in the villains’ hands? I mean, all of our targets at this point we unanimously chose to target for various reasons. its clear from the SIU director's scenes that they've been planning something ever since Kamoshida was taken down Futaba wasnt part of that plan, but that whole deal with Medjed was.
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Zagglezig posted:Up til now I was occasionally wondering why we were doing seemingly real world thief stuff at the beginning that caused us to get caught and arrested (and what might happen story-wise to let demons into the real world, since some of the guys chasing Maaku transdormed). The fact that they did actually have to be physically fit to move around helped with the thought of all his acrobatics. Now, though, I'm wondering if this whole time we've been talking to Sae's mental self. This is what I've been thinking but some details don't add up for that. For one thing, Maaku is out of his Thieves outfit for some reason now. For another, shouldn't Sae's shadow have yellow eyes?
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May 31, 2018 12:38
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Omobono posted:Keep in mind the fake calling card. Had we ignored Okumura the conference would have happened the same way anyways. That would have been a way better arc. Recruit Haru, work on some other target while telling her we'll take care of her dad later, and then bam, her dad is ostensibly murdered by the Phantom Thieves.
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amigolupus posted:Isn't that just because of Yusuke's height and where he's standing that we can't see the reactions on top of his head? Like if you look at the distance between the others' heads and the !, that would mean Yusuke's would be off-camera. Nah, at least the bottom should be visible. I feel like people are maybe taking some of these goofs a little too seriously, I don't think most of the stuff I point out unless I make a big show of it is a legitimate flaw with the game.
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Coq au Nandos posted:That would have been a way better arc. Recruit Haru, work on some other target while telling her we'll take care of her dad later, and then bam, her dad is ostensibly murdered by the Phantom Thieves. Nah. I think the fact that Haru could theoretically believe that we lied to her is a much more interesting plot thread.
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Coq au Nandos posted:That would have been a way better arc. Recruit Haru, work on some other target while telling her we'll take care of her dad later, and then bam, her dad is ostensibly murdered by the Phantom Thieves. Remember that whole send her off to be a sexual plaything plot? Haru's dad needed to be stopped at the very least to keep Haru safe.
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Hunt11 posted:Remember that whole send her off to be a sexual plaything plot? Haru's dad needed to be stopped at the very least to keep Haru safe. Did we *really* need that threat?
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Robindaybird posted:Did we *really* need that threat? It's to drive home that Haru's dad is a filthy scumbag and it's also not unusual for women to be treated like objects when their fathers are seeking to consolidate political power. Haru's situation is a horrifying issue that persists to this day, I'm glad the game didn't shy away from it the same way it didn't shy away from Kamoshida.
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May 31, 2018 17:55
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Robindaybird posted:After a point, it gets gratuitous I agree. It just feels like the writers' go-to method, and it's just a bit much. Joker's initial arrest, Kamoshida, Kaneshiro, Okumura, Haru's fiance himself, even minor ones like the rear end in a top hat in Mishima's Confidant and brought up in Makoto's, it seems to always default to threats of sexual violence against women. I guess it's a matter of opinion though.
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Those threats exist everywhere in our world. I think the main reason I feel like we were mostly doing our own thing is mainly because most of our deadlines didn’t have anything to do with the villains, including Okumura’s deadline, which is tied to Haru. Also, discussing your evil plan over the phone is the dumbest thing ever. This doesn’t mean the villains were ineffective in their plan to frame us and stuff.
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Seaogre posted:I agree. It just feels like the writers' go-to method, and it's just a bit much. I offhand don't remember if there are any normal spend-time-with-them-type social links with female characters that don't involve threats of sexual violence, whether to the link themselves or someone else. It's... maybe Chihaya and Hifumi don't, and that's it?
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Ohya, although 'dating a minor to not get caught looking up stuff about your missing partner' isn't a gold standard either.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Ohya, although 'dating a minor to not get caught looking up stuff about your missing partner' isn't a gold standard either. Pretty sure Ohya's link involves violence to her former partner who is also sexually shamed. It's adjacent anyway.
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Like hell it is a thing, but when almost every female character is subjected to sexual violence or threats of it, it really starts to look less like tackling an issue and more either they're unimaginative or worse.
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Kawakami was being asked to pay an insane amount of money. Oh, this reminds me, now that those losers have agreed to pay her back, she’ll probably be a rich woman. If they can get that much money that is.
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Blademaster_Aio posted:Kawakami was being asked to pay an insane amount of money. Oh, this reminds me, now that those losers have agreed to pay her back, she’ll probably be a rich woman. If they can get that much money that is. And was very nearly forced into sex work to get that kind of money, if you'll recall...
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AweStriker posted:And was very nearly forced into sex work to get that kind of money, if you'll recall... Yeah, she made hints she was considering actual prostitution if the blackmail had kept going and the only reason she hadn't before is because the agency consider her 'too old'
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