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Phlegmish posted:Does the US even export anything we would want The US' chief export is stupidity. While our domestic production is being ramped up, we are not yet fully independent.
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So what's up with the Danes banning the burqa/niqab? From what little English language coverage I can find it looks like half the parliament didn't even bother to show up for the vote.
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Jun 1, 2018 16:35
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That was probably the half that secretly wanted the bill to pass but were afraid of being tarred as racist.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:So what's up with the Danes banning the burqa/niqab? From what little English language coverage I can find it looks like half the parliament didn't even bother to show up for the vote. Denmark is really racist
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Andrast posted:Denmark is really racist
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Jun 1, 2018 17:53
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Denmark has cultural values?
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Orange Devil posted:Denmark has cultural values? Racism is danish culture, they got on this train several decades before the rest of us.
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Jun 1, 2018 18:07
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Every day I understand a bit better why Swedes are allowed to shoot Danes on sight
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Jun 1, 2018 18:23
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so whats happening in italy
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Char posted:Sorry for not being there when it counts: Yup  https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1002572115609047040 Also, closet fascist Salvini in charge of police and immigration. They may not end up blowing up the EU, but they'll sure make people suffer.
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Jun 1, 2018 18:41
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why "sold down the river", did M5S try to market itself to the gay community?
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Kurtofan posted:so whats happening in italy Our majority parties have finished assembling their hideous vozhd of a government, and are set to start wreaking havoc on our institutional, democratic and civil lives. Key highlights are a neofascist anti abortion activist and firm believer in the threat of 'ethnic substitution' being put in charge of the family ministry, notorious immigrant hater and police brutality denier Salvini at the interior ministry, half-illiterate, mostly jobless until today Di Maio at the ministry for work, and the anti-euro professor who was previously the cause of the institutional crisis as recipient of the presidential veto in charge of European affairs. Also, we now have a minister for 'direct democracy' and some other buffoons I can't remember OTOH. Gonna be a fun time until the coalition collapses on the dumbest of poo poo but not before doing irreparable damage.
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large adult son posted:why "sold down the river", did M5S try to market itself to the gay community? They seem to have done so in the past, but more recently blocked an attempt to legalise civil unions if that also meant that gay couples could adopt. I'm sure the Italians in this thread could tell you more though.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:They seem to have done so in the past, but more recently blocked an attempt to legalise civil unions if that also meant that gay couples could adopt. To be fair that particular debacle with the gay couple adoptions ties in with the strategy of M5S finding any possible loophole not to vote with the government coalition, even when they in principle would have approved it. Like when they themselves introduced a motion for Italy withdrawing from the military mission in afghanistan and subsequently voted against it themselves after it garnered support of one of the minority parties of the government coalition.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Also, closet fascist Salvini in charge of police and immigration. They may not end up blowing up the EU, but they'll sure make people suffer. I wonder if they are going to sell a very hard stance on immigration as standing up to Merkel/Berlin even though Berlin would be very happy about it by staying true to the idiotic narrative that Mrs. Merkel wants lots of Muslim immigrants in Europe because reason?
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mortons stork posted:To be fair that particular debacle with the gay couple adoptions ties in with the strategy of M5S finding any possible loophole not to vote with the government coalition, even when they in principle would have approved it. Like when they themselves introduced a motion for Italy withdrawing from the military mission in afghanistan and subsequently voted against it themselves after it garnered support of one of the minority parties of the government coalition. I don't understand the fairness of subsuming gay rights to some fancy-rear end political strategy. GaussianCopula posted:I wonder if they are going to sell a very hard stance on immigration as standing up to Merkel/Berlin even though Berlin would be very happy about it by staying true to the idiotic narrative that Mrs. Merkel wants lots of Muslim immigrants in Europe because reason? It's 2018, objective reality doesn't matter anymore if you've got a strong enough media and internet presence. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 1, 2018 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:I don't understand the fairness of subsuming gay rights to some fancy-rear end political strategy. It ain't fair. I should have worded it better. "to be precise" would've been more appropriate. But yes, it was nevertheless part of their political strategy of attempting to sink any proposal from the government and blaming the government for it. It also worked stupendously, to the point they are now the first stand-alone party by electoral result. They are the practical manifestation of how a liberal democracy dies.
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mortons stork posted:It ain't fair. I should have worded it better. "to be precise" would've been more appropriate. But yes, it was nevertheless part of their political strategy of attempting to sink any proposal from the government and blaming the government for it. It also worked stupendously, to the point they are now the first stand-alone party by electoral result. They are the practical manifestation of how a liberal democracy dies. It occurs to me that it is also exactly what the Republicans in the US did from Obama's election onwards. When you pay no price for political obstruction but the governing party is punished by voters for failing to get results, mindless opposition becomes the dominant strategy for opposition parties everywhere. I don't see a good way to address it though.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:It occurs to me that it is also exactly what the Republicans in the US did from Obama's election onwards. When you pay no price for political obstruction but the governing party is punished by voters for failing to get results, mindless opposition becomes the dominant strategy for opposition parties everywhere. I don't see a good way to address it though. Only let well adjusted, smart people vote - or at least have something like the Prussian three-class franchise that reduces the impact of stupid people.
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GaussianCopula posted:Only let well adjusted, smart people vote - or at least have something like the Prussian three-class franchise that reduces the impact of stupid people.
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GaussianCopula posted:Only let well adjusted, smart people vote - or at least have something like the Prussian three-class franchise that reduces the impact of stupid people. Bold move, arguing to take away your vote. also, noted good voters, smart and wealthy people.
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I'm sure GC agrees that they are.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Deltasquid posted:Every day I understand a bit better why Swedes are allowed to shoot Danes on sight Alas, these laws have been updated since the good old days of mutual fratricide.
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GaussianCopula posted:Only let well adjusted, smart people vote ahahahahahaha, the loving irony. i'm giggling like an idiot about this
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GaussianCopula posted:Only let well adjusted, smart people vote - or at least have something like the Prussian three-class franchise that reduces the impact of stupid people. Wtf. who looks at Prussia and goes "yes, a democratic society to emulate"
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Jun 1, 2018 22:01
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To be fair, they did have cool uniforms!
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GaussianCopula posted:Only let well adjusted, smart people vote - or at least have something like the Prussian three-class franchise that reduces the impact of stupid people. Nice of you to give up the vote.
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Kurtofan posted:so whats happening in italy Budget deficits because of having to be the in an economic union with a heavyweight exporter like Germany, forced into austerity by the vultures running said union, leading to a pissed off population voting in the only parties promising to do something about it. Very strange
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GaussianCopula posted:Only let well adjusted, smart people vote willingly rescinding your right to v- steinrokkan posted:Nice of you to give up the vote. gently caress
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Yup It's gonna be a helluva competition to see which entity will be the last in Western Europe to get gay marriage isn't it. The Italian mess VS Swiss glacier progress VS the Orange Order. Who will take the glory of last??
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Grape posted:It's gonna be a helluva competition to see which entity will be the last in Western Europe to get gay marriage isn't it.
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The Orange Order bit refers to Northern Ireland, which doesn't have marriage equality even though the Republic and the rest of the United Kingdom has it.
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Italy does have gay civil unions since 2016. They had to amend the part about adoptions because the government was essentially grosse koalition and the centerleft party had to coax and blackmail its right wing allies into it. But technically we are in the 21st century. As of yet.
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Oh yes, my bad. Forgot Northern Ireland got the DUP. So "maybe some backward place like Andora or Lichtenstein or Northern Ireland".
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mortons stork posted:Italy does have gay civil unions since 2016. They had to amend the part about adoptions because the government was essentially grosse koalition and the centerleft party had to coax and blackmail its right wing allies into it. But technically we are in the 21st century. As of yet. Civil Unions are great, but they're not marriage dude.
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tekz posted:Budget deficits because of having to be the in an economic union with a heavyweight exporter like Germany, forced into austerity by the vultures running said union, leading to a pissed off population voting in the only parties promising to do something about it. Very strange Italy was running a deficit in the 90ies, today has about the same debt level (relative to GDP) as in the 90ies and pays less in interest rates (relative to GDP) than during the 90ies. Italians own more on average than Germans (once again relative to GDP, but also in absolute terms). Very Strange, indeed. Einbauschrank fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Jun 2, 2018 |
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Grape posted:Civil Unions are great, but they're not marriage dude. Oh and then he went on a rant against abortion. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Jun 2, 2018 |
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Einbauschrank posted:Italy was running a deficit in the 90ies, today has about the same debt level (relative to GDP) as in the 90ies and pays less in interest rates (relative to GDP) than during the 90ies. Italians own more on average than Germans (once again relative to GDP, but also in absolute terms). It's this great conspiracy theory that Germany forced the Euro on the EU to subjugate all of Europe economically, because as everyone knows, having a weak currency is what everyone wants... It has nothing to do with the fact that the Club Med binged on cheap credit and is unable to fix it's problems of corruption, clientelism and inefficient administration.
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GaussianCopula posted:It's this great conspiracy theory that Germany forced the Euro on the EU to subjugate all of Europe economically, because as everyone knows, having a weak currency is what everyone wants... Not so much a conspiracy theory as a description of what is almost literally happening? 
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MiddleOne posted:Not so much a conspiracy theory as a description of what is almost literally happening?
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