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HorrificExistence
Jun 25, 2017

by Athanatos
another one for the black book of capitalism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNMGzsxJgkM

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

gamers rise up you have nothing to lose but your cords

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueHiAfeksd0

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

gamers rise up you have nothing to lose but your cords

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueHiAfeksd0
brb starting my marxist gaming channel

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost
we live in a society

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

A big element of what makes play fun is that the outcome of play is inconsequential. If you lose a game of Stellaris to a fanatical purifier, billions of people haven't died in real life. That's also why professional sports start to lose their sense of fun because suddenly billions of dollars in gambling and franchise sales are on the line just over the outcome of a season.

Where I'm going with this is that I don't think you can ever sufficiently replace work with play, because the consequences of work have to matter in order to compel labor in the first place. For work to be replaced with play means all responsibilities have to be offloaded to a laboring class, whether that means robots or slaves. Otherwise the gamified society isn't going to be fun either, because the outcome of social games will still determine your class status.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

A big element of what makes play fun is that the outcome of play is inconsequential. If you lose a game of Stellaris to a fanatical purifier, billions of people haven't died in real life. That's also why professional sports start to lose their sense of fun because suddenly billions of dollars in gambling and franchise sales are on the line just over the outcome of a season.

Where I'm going with this is that I don't think you can ever sufficiently replace work with play, because the consequences of work have to matter in order to compel labor in the first place. For work to be replaced with play means all responsibilities have to be offloaded to a laboring class, whether that means robots or slaves. Otherwise the gamified society isn't going to be fun either, because the outcome of social games will still determine your class status.

let me introduce you to "process gamification"

enjoy the journey

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/legaladvice_txt/status/1002585190181625856?s=19

An Apple A Gay
Oct 21, 2008

send the author of the name dropping jacobin article
st8 to the gulag

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i really should've gotten in on this grift as unwanted quarter pounder cheese is one of my pet peeves

https://twitter.com/MaoistRebelNews/status/1002676212584603648

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

gamers rise up you have nothing to lose but your cords

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueHiAfeksd0

I don't like him accepting Huizinga's outmoded definition of play since any anthropologist will tell you it's overly specific

Jizz Festival
Oct 30, 2012
Lipstick Apathy

Jeb! Repetition posted:

I don't like him accepting Huizinga's outmoded definition of play since any anthropologist will tell you it's overly specific

Really surprising that youre hung up on a small detail while barely being able to explain why it matters.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Jizz Festival posted:

Really surprising that youre hung up on a small detail while barely being able to explain why it matters.

I just told you why, because it's overly specific. So if you use that definition you'll exclude a bunch of things that are actually play

Jizz Festival
Oct 30, 2012
Lipstick Apathy

Jeb! Repetition posted:

I just told you why, because it's overly specific. So if you use that definition you'll exclude a bunch of things that are actually play

Did that happen in the video? How would an expanded definition of play have changed the video?

Wait why am I doing this again?

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Jizz Festival posted:

Did that happen in the video? How would an expanded definition of play have changed the video?

Wait why am I doing this again?

It's pretty important, so it could have, but I couldn't follow what he was saying for the second half so I don't know

Jizz Festival
Oct 30, 2012
Lipstick Apathy
Ughhh

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jeb! Repetition posted:

It's pretty important, so it could have, but I couldn't follow what he was saying for the second half so I don't know

Can we not have liberals post in this thread.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Larry Parrish posted:

Can we not have liberals post in this thread.

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe



Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



the actual question is even crazier

Can I kill my landlord under the castle doctrine?
Location: Louisville, KY

Back in 2013, I rented my first apartment. Initially, I loved living there, and my landlord seemed OK. He was never a particularly nice guy, but he was reasonable. This was my first time living on my own, so I had no experience and little knowledge about the renting process.

About a year or so after I moved in, the landlord started to show his true colors. I saw glimpses of it earlier; he would occasionally snap at me or raise his voice at me for no good reason. But a year into my tenancy, it became clear that he was certifiably insane. One day, he knocked on my door and then after I opened the door he barged in without asking for permission for entry. I asked him what he wanted, but he just sort of lingered around and started screwing with me, yelling at me, insulting me, and threatening me. I eventually pushed him out, and then he left. He later called me and said he was sorry; I thought this was just a one-time fluke incident, but it eventually became clear that he was insincere about his apology.

Another day, he knocked on the door, and when I opened the door, he physically assaulted me. I grappled with him for a few moments and then got him in an armlock and threatened to break his arm. He calmed down somewhat. I then released him, punched him in the torso a few times, then kicked him out. He called later and said he was sorry. He than proceeded to follow this same pattern for weeks. He would come to my apartment in the afternoon after I got off work and harass me, and then eventually leave, and then before I had time to fully process the situation he would call me with a calm, reasonable tone and apologize. If at any time he came by and knocked and I didn't open the door, he would use his key to open it and then barge in. He once barged in my apartment and attacked me when I was eating dinner, he once swung open the door when I was using the bathroom, he barged in another time when I was cooking in the kitchen, and another time when I was taking a nap in my bedroom. He would often bring a friend of his with him and then both of them together would enter my home and just stand there and harass me and make fun of me. I would try to physically push them out, but they would resist me and continue to harass me. One time I pushed one of the landlord's friends out of my apartment and then he would just force his way back in, and this process would occur repeatedly. On at least one occasion while this was happening, I got my cell phone out of my pocket and called 911; this caused them to run away but 911 didn't really do anything about the problem and just told me to deal with it myself.

He would regularly pick fights with me and then I would literally have to get into an all-out fist fight with him both inside my apartment and out in the yard. Once, he and a friend dropped by and the both of them ended up ganging up on me and seriously trying to hurt me, but I fought them both off. He would do things like this, then later he would call and say he was sorry. Then, as usual, sometime later he would come by and assault me again and then later say he was sorry, and the pattern would continue. He was basically treating me like his personal plaything.

During the period in which this was happening, I tried reasoning with him, yelling at him, threatening him, but he would still keep coming back to harass me. I sometimes brandished a kitchen knife or even jabbed him in the stomach with it to scare him. Sometimes I would stick my finger in his eye sockets. On multiple occasions, I fought him and beat him up, punching and kicking him as hard as I could, but he seemed to have an exceptional tolerance for pain and his insanity seemed to dim his instincts for self-preservation, as he appeared to have no fear of bodily injury. I felt trapped and helpless; being my landlord, he knew where I lived, therefore he could just show up anytime he wanted and abuse me, or even enter my apartment with his key if he wanted to.

I have since moved out of that place. However, I have been pondering the events that happened. My landlord was extremely disrespectful towards me, about as disrespectful as a person can be. I was a model tenant: I never made any trouble for him and I always paid my rent in full and on time. For him to treat me the way he did was gratuitous and unforgivable. When these things were going on, I was really tempted to kill him for treating me like this. But I kept stopping myself because I didn't know what the legal ramifications would be. At the time, I didn't own any dedicated weapons, like a gun; the most I had was a sharp kitchen knife. Numerous times I considered stabbing him with it.

I know there is a thing in the law called the "castle doctrine" that says that people have a right to use violence to defend their homes from invasion, but I'm not sure how this applies to a tenant defending himself in his apartment against his own landlord. It is expected for a landlord to be inside a tenant's apartment from time to time; because of that, I worry that I may have had difficulty defending myself in court if I had killed him while he was inside my apartment. In the absence of video evidence, I don't know whether a jury would favor the tenant or the landlord in that situation.

Essentially, my question is: Could I have legally killed my landlord? Also, should I have killed him? I know in hindsight that I probably should have just circumvented the whole issue and moved out after the first attack, but I would like to know what my rights and options are if a landlord were to ever do something like this to me again.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

there are two good reddits, exactly two. legaladvice and askhistory

THS
Sep 15, 2017

recently on legal advice they had a jewish person whos coworkers were tricking her into eating pork and the same coworkers posting within a few days complaining about their oversensitive jew coworker and it caused a shitstorm

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!

Yandat posted:

there are two good reddits, exactly two. legaladvice and askhistory

don't you talk poo poo about babyelephantgifs

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lol

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



ouch lol

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/gangster_popeye/status/1002920526480748545

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

who invent 🅱️oneless fascism

Ol' Makhny

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

The article's right though

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
a lot of people's work is already so alienating, that the labor itself is inconsequential from their own perspective. there's only consequences in so far as you will be personally punished for failure, or not meeting expectations, by management.

the real difference between work and play isn't consequences, but novelty + 'grind' + discomfort. rote repetition will never be fun, and even things that are fun will cease being fun if you do them for long enough. Scrubbing a toilet will never be fun, etc. if you can make robots do all that, then you can absolutely replace work with play in gay space luxury communism. but that's more a technical challenge than anything else.

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

Muslim prisoners in Alaska 'fed ham sandwiches by guards' after breaking Ramadan fast

it's almost as if everything the US says is true about other countries is actually false and that these things describe the US far more accurately... quick, someone check to see if it's actually the US that's the dictatorship and not cuba, venezuela, the dprk, or syria

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Morzhovyye posted:

Muslim prisoners in Alaska 'fed ham sandwiches by guards' after breaking Ramadan fast

it's almost as if everything the US says is true about other countries is actually false and that these things describe the US far more accurately... quick, someone check to see if it's actually the US that's the dictatorship and not cuba, venezuela, the dprk, or syria

For your information, we don't live in a dictatorship, we live in a quasi-feudal oligarchy :colbert:

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Morzhovyye posted:

Muslim prisoners in Alaska 'fed ham sandwiches by guards' after breaking Ramadan fast

it's almost as if everything the US says is true about other countries is actually false and that these things describe the US far more accurately... quick, someone check to see if it's actually the US that's the dictatorship and not cuba, venezuela, the dprk, or syria

Alright, I looked it up, and surprisingly it's those countries that are dictatorships and not the US

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

ScrubLeague posted:

system of a down is basically the logical follow-up to rage against the machine with more annoying music

ratm is pretty cool tho

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
the worst thing about rtj is that el-p went from producing some really left field beats to doing whatever he's doing now. if he went back to his old production style and just let killer mike rap they'd own

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Alright, I looked it up, and surprisingly it's those countries that are dictatorships and not the US

low energy jeb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfxTxCVHNnY

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Jeb! Repetition posted:

The article's right though

The conclusion is incoherent. I have no idea what the author is trying to suggest American leftists actually do to support Uyghur rights halfway across the globe.

Personally I think they should focus on stopping the mass imprisonment of minorities in their own country, which has the added benefit of being associated with a much smaller risk of resulting in socialists being duped into supporting imperial projects.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


lol if you think any imperial project is going to try anything to help the uyghurs.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Bryter posted:

The conclusion is incoherent. I have no idea what the author is trying to suggest American leftists actually do to support Uyghur rights halfway across the globe.

Personally I think they should focus on stopping the mass imprisonment of minorities in their own country, which has the added benefit of being associated with a much smaller risk of resulting in socialists being duped into supporting imperial projects.
'admitting that there is a problem' and 'not boot-licking for china' would be a good start, i.e. not being home ex.

In terms of real support, there's not something that can be done from the west, I agree. but it should at least be acknowledged, and I fail to see how that acknowledgement somehow prevents acknowledging/helping minorities in the US.

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Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Morzhovyye posted:

Muslim prisoners in Alaska 'fed ham sandwiches by guards' after breaking Ramadan fast

it's almost as if everything the US says is true about other countries is actually false and that these things describe the US far more accurately... quick, someone check to see if it's actually the US that's the dictatorship and not cuba, venezuela, the dprk, or syria

drat, that news story about events in alaska definitely confirms that all the reports in china just aren't true

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