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Imagined posted:Edit: Johnson doing Star Wars is apparently a lot like JJ doing Star Trek. Someone who doesn't like or understand a universe and thus does everything the opposite of what the fans would like because "that's modern". I liked TLJ quite a lot but yeah, they had three great times to send off her character. How the junk will they do ep 9? It has to open with her funeral and exposition about how she died.
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Have her come back as the Jedi Crow.
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Nic Cage really will do any movie, won't he? I don't know the name of it, came on Netflix, and my mom was watching it while I was in the other room, but one scene was really really loud. Oh, it's a single mom taking a shortcut in the woods with her preteen daughter, and they get attacked by some druggies? Some random weird dudes? Okay, I get where this is going....but the scene lasts for several minutes of the mom screaming, the daughter screaming and crying while they're dragged into a rave house, and it's not as bad as The Accused in terms of what you see, but loving hell the director really really must have gotten off on the sound of a girl screaming and crying while the mom is gang-raped. I mean, you don't see anything but the blurred faces, but the sounds? gently caress, I've seen porn that tags itself as nonconsensual that was less rapey than this. Nic Cage of course plays the cop who gets revenge for them, but hearing that poo poo was pretty bad. I know we laugh at the idea of 'triggered' but gently caress I could see how they could have cut that scene down to like, I don't know, thirty loving seconds, and still get the point across.
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Jun 2, 2018 04:39
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Zaphod42 posted:but I kept waiting for Hulk to finally Hulk out and bust through the armor from the inside. same. probably wont happen they cannibalized alot of the plot for thor ragnarok
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Jun 2, 2018 05:49
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This is a really good breakdown of why DC action is boring and Marvel action works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p-lyt78cyA Short version: Marvel heroes use their powers in creative ways, DC characters just punch each other a lot. Marvel action scenes have beats in the middle where characters make jokes and show off their personality, DC doesn't.
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Jun 2, 2018 05:52
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I like the Nerdwriter channel. I wonder how he feels about Wonder Woman then.
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Zaphod42 posted:This is a really good breakdown of why DC action is boring and Marvel action works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p-lyt78cyA I mean you could just say 'they keep pushing Hal 'I know, a biiiig boxing glove will solve this!' Jordan as their Green Lantern in every adaptation. But really, when you get down to it, the vast majority of any fight is just Dragon Ball Z. Who punches harder and has the stronger laser?
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Zaphod42 posted:Corrected. And yet I'll bet you were one of the people saying "That's so loving dumb, the Empire wouldn't just end instantly with parties in the streets!" at the end of Jedi.
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Jun 2, 2018 13:35
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Zaphod42 posted:If you read the books, people had all KINDS of ideas of things to do with star wars that weren't rebels vs empire forever, not at all. They dropped that poo poo right away and moved on. The chronologically final story before Disney bought Lucasfilm was the Sith coming back 100 years after the movies, destroying the Jedi and restoring the Empire. The one time they tried to push in a different direction (i.e. the New Jedi Order series) it a) wasn't great; and b) was backpedalled by the very next series, which went back to the Jedi vs the Sith. Even really popular stuff like the Knights of the Old Republic boil down to the Jedi vs Sith/Rebels vs Empire. Practically all of the Expanded Universe stuff was some variation on Empire vs Rebels for the better part of 30 years. 
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Jun 2, 2018 13:54
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My IIMM regarding the new Star Wars movies is that they pretty much had the Sequel Trilogy already written and published, they just needed to adapt it for the big screen. It's called the Thrawn Trilogy. But nope, plucky rebels versus evil empire it is!
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Jun 2, 2018 14:12
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Even that one comes down to Rebels vs Empire anyway. Sure, you have the New Republic, but it's the same basic dynamic. They even have a powerful dark side guy who wants to make Luke his apprentice and everything. Wheat Loaf has a new favorite as of 14:21 on Jun 2, 2018 |
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Jun 2, 2018 14:17
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It's a bit different because by that point the New Republic is actually a legitimate government that is fighting against another nation (the empire), with clearly defined front lines and everything. It's not the desperate fight against insurmuntable odds that the first three (and the latest two) Star Wars mainline movies have. And the dark side bad guy isn't really on the empire's side, they're using each other to further their goals but they'd gladly drop the cooperation if it no longer fits their goals (indeed that's what happens near the end of the third book).
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Jun 2, 2018 14:35
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People clamoring for the return of the Expanded Universe just shows you how out of their mind the average Star Wars fan is
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Jun 2, 2018 14:39
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I want to see motherfucking Vader fight a loving Xenomorph Queen. And what kind of xenos would pop out of a Hutt.
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Dark Empire would probably be more interesting source material to draw on than the Thrawn trilogy if you were going to adapt something old.
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Samuringa posted:People clamoring for the return of the Expanded Universe just shows you how out of their mind the average Star Wars fan is Hahaha, no. I have a couple bookcases back at my childhood home full of Star Wars books and comics, and I don't want the EU back, it was by and large poo poo (and I had terrible taste when I was young since I fell for it). I want some tiny parts of the EU back, namely the Thrawn Trilogy and its Hand of Thrawn duology sequel, i.e., the actually good parts of the EU. (Also I've not read the X-wing book series but I've heard good things about that, but judgment is suspended until I read it which might be never.)
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Jun 2, 2018 15:05
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Yeah we really need C'baoth, Luuke Skywalker, and creatures that can block the force. That's what Star Wars needs.
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Jun 2, 2018 15:16
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Samuringa posted:People clamoring for the return of the Expanded Universe just shows you how out of their mind the average Star Wars fan is Almost all of the Expanded Universe was garbage, but the Rebels winning and then actually having to govern the galaxy in a New Republic while continuing to fight the remnants and warlords left over from the Empire was more interesting than just mashing the reset button. Also Han Solo got in a fistfight with a giant space otter. 
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Jun 2, 2018 15:21
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im kind of amazed that the painting is basically a bejeweled otter jumping & han solo punching 90° off
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RareAcumen posted:I mean you could just say 'they keep pushing Hal 'I know, a biiiig boxing glove will solve this!' Jordan as their Green Lantern in every adaptation. But that's just it, DBZ understood this too. DBZ has moments mid-fight where people stop, talk, transform, etc. in order to create tension and relief and conflict. Even DBZ, if you really analyze it, isn't just punches over and over. They mix it up. They get creative. You have things like suicide attacks where a character sacrifices themselves to help others. DC fights are literally just BAM BAM BAM. E: Also what's really important in action movies is people need to get hurt. Jackie Chan gets hurt and its funny and makes it feel real when he wins. Makes the stakes seem real. DBZ characters get beat the gently caress up. DC characters stay pretty perfect looking. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 15:54 on Jun 2, 2018 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:The chronologically final story before Disney bought Lucasfilm was the Sith coming back 100 years after the movies, destroying the Jedi and restoring the Empire. The one time they tried to push in a different direction (i.e. the New Jedi Order series) it a) wasn't great; and b) was backpedalled by the very next series, which went back to the Jedi vs the Sith. NJO would have been rad tho until Lucas vetoed all the good ideas.
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Cowslips Warren posted:Nic Cage really will do any movie, won't he? If I remember right he kind of has to. I think he got hosed over by his accountant and has a poo poo load of tax problems. I like Cage for the most part but the quality of his work is all over the place. Raising Arizona and Matchstick Men are great but seem to be big outliers. Minor IIMM, Batman always has time to apply his eye make up somehow. In Dark Knight, he got changed in like 45 seconds somehow.
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Jedit posted:And yet I'll bet you were one of the people saying "That's so loving dumb, the Empire wouldn't just end instantly with parties in the streets!" at the end of Jedi. No? I mean you imagine there'd be some remnants of the empire somewhere, which could have formed the last order (too bad they never explored this whatsoever in the films) But space is so fuckoff huge its actually not that un-reasonable that once the main power of the empire gets blasted and the Emperor himself gets tossed down a shaft, that you can celebrate and basically just ignore the Empire exists, and then it doesn't. Its like a house of cards almost. Power of fear and all that.
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BiggerBoat posted:I like Cage for the most part but the quality of his work is all over the place. Raising Arizona and Matchstick Men are great but seem to be big outliers. He was in Face/Off a.k.a. the best movie of all time.
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Krankenstyle posted:im kind of amazed that the painting is basically a bejeweled otter jumping & han solo punching 90° off It turns out that carbonite has long-lasting side-effects After the class-action lawsuit he just puts the Falcon up on blocks and sits in front of it all day in a lawn chair with a case of beer watching the world go by
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Evilreaver posted:I was hoping Marvel would announce the cancellation of all the upcoming movies now missing major protagonists, if nothing else but to mess with people Comic books fans: "How can you do a Venom movie without Spider-Man?" Marvel: 
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Mikl posted:My IIMM regarding the new Star Wars movies is that they pretty much had the Sequel Trilogy already written and published, they just needed to adapt it for the big screen. It's called the Thrawn Trilogy. But nope, plucky rebels versus evil empire it is!
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syscall girl posted:It turns out that carbonite has long-lasting side-effects my kinda guy
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My IIMM is about how we’re so easily connected to Hollywood news so that genuine surprise moments in franchise movies are muted because we know stuff like movie star contracts. If you didn’t know that RDJ & Chris Evans were in the final movie contract, or that Tom Holland & Chadwick Bosenan were signed on for more movies, would you be more surprised at the end of Infinity War?
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Batman v Superman Clark: "Wow, this Gotham Bat character is a real nasty piece of work. I think even my newspaper should be covering it." Superman encountering Batman for the first time on the docks: "You better stop" Flies away. Why didn't he just swoop down, grab him, and drop him off at the nearest police station? And don't say kryptonite. Supes could've had him before Bats even knew what was happening.
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NorgLyle posted:Those books are really really bad and if you re-read them as an adult you will alternate between being embarrassed and laughing your rear end off; I encourage everyone to do it. I haven't read the Thrawn trilogy in about 15 years. I don't know if they're actually good or if it's just because I liked it when I was 11. 
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Wheat Loaf posted:I haven't read the Thrawn trilogy in about 15 years. I don't know if they're actually good or if it's just because I liked it when I was 11. They are not good. Thrawn is basic Arrow's Diaz in the Star Wars Universe.
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Davros1 posted:Batman v Superman They sort of cover this more in the extended cut, where he's doing a story on Batman without Perry's permission. Basically he's just like "He's done some good but he's getting people killed, he's gotta stop" and it's not like supes has the moral high ground.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:They sort of cover this more in the extended cut, where he's doing a story on Batman without Perry's permission. The last thing that movie need was more footage
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True, but the editing literally took out like 80% of Cavill acting like Clark and actually advancing the plot. He actually gets reasons for doing poo poo and figuring out other things, and they explain stuff like why he didn't see the bomb in the dudes chair. On the other hand I don't know why they still think supes had something to do with the African warlords camp being destroyed by gunfire. They did make a point to burn the bodies so it looks like he heat visioned em all but that's not gonna magically clear up bullet wounds.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:True, but the editing literally took out like 80% of Cavill acting like Clark and actually advancing the plot. He actually gets reasons for doing poo poo and figuring out other things, and they explain stuff like why he didn't see the bomb in the dudes chair. Should've gotten a better editor. Or stop hiring David Goyer to write.
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Davros1 posted:stop hiring David Goyer to write. A guy who thinks Martian Manhunter is lame should definitely never be allowed within 10 miles of a DC movie. More than anything else, Goyer's sensibility that comics are embarrassing and for virgin nerds (and therefore we must make them cool by teenage dudebro standards) are the root reason why DC movies suck and Marvel movies don't. The lesson Warner Bros seemed to learn from the Batman & Robin disaster and then the success of the Nolan films was that their movies should be as un-comic book as possible. Marvel, meanwhile, embraces it. This is how you end up with "The S stands for Hope". 
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Imagined posted:' I can't think of anything else to say other than I'm speechless.
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Android Apocalypse posted:My IIMM is about how we’re so easily connected to Hollywood news so that genuine surprise moments in franchise movies are muted because we know stuff like movie star contracts. If you didn’t know that RDJ & Chris Evans were in the final movie contract, or that Tom Holland & Chadwick Bosenan were signed on for more movies, would you be more surprised at the end of Infinity War? Im familiar enough with the comics to know a two part movie was going to end with everyone getting disappeared and then undoing everything in the next one. With RDJ and Evans being at the end of their contracts it's just up in the air if they come back and retire, come back and die, or just stay gone forever
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