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Blazing Ownager posted:
The Others (the show, not the movie) did something similar: A group of psychics spends one season battling some evil power and then in the final episode every single one of them is killed. Then the show was cancelled.
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Blazing Ownager posted:ED: Alternate theory is that everything in a Federation food replicator is perfectly balanced for nutrition value at the expense of everything else (like taste) and sometimes you just want loving junk food. I could absolutely see a replicator denying your heart attack quadruple bacon burger request. The replicators wouldn't make wine or anything with real alcohol in it, just synthehol that wouldn't let you actually lose control.
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MrUnderbridge posted:I know this was from the last page, but... The producers for the new Battlestar Galactica made a conscious effect to avoid what they called 'Alien of the week', but which could be described as Wagon Train in space in favor of a more linear storyline. That worked for about 3 seasons and then holy poo poo it went off the rails.
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Krispy Wafer posted:The producers for the new Battlestar Galactica made a conscious effect to avoid what they called 'Alien of the week', but which could be described as Wagon Train in space in favor of a more linear storyline. The original BSG was totally Wagon Train in Space, though. At least half the story-lines could easily fit in a Western show.
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Some moreso than others.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I mean sure, I've seen lots of TV finales where lots of people die. I've never seen one where they did everything possible to gently caress all of humanity, but 5 stars. Even through it was a kid show, the final episode of Mighty Max ends with all the sidekicks and allies dying to the villain, with the hero entering into a time loop at the end to hopefully get it right the next time. Also the ending of Dinosaur with them getting the ice age caused by the father company.
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Which DS9 e0 was the 9/11 one?
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The show finished in 1999, so none.
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Rirse posted:Even through it was a kid show, the final episode of Mighty Max ends with all the sidekicks and allies dying to the villain, with the hero entering into a time loop at the end to hopefully get it right the next time. That show was metal as gently caress For those that don't know, the bad guy in question was named Skullmaster and voiced by Tim Curry
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Toshimo posted:Which DS9 e0 was the 9/11 one? Enterprise was the one with a 9/11 ep/arc.
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Blazing Ownager posted:ED: Speaking of that, the DS9 9/11 episode a year before 9/11 is an interesting "Did it age well?" one. Because if you don't realize it was a year before it seems like a heavy handed episode jumping on a band wagon, but if you do realize it, it's uncanny about a lot of the political climate afterward. Seriously show that episode to people who know nothing about it and every single one will assume it was written after 9/11. I was specifically asking about this one, but maybe I'm the one that is dumb and wrong.
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I reckon they're talking about the "Homefront" / "Paradise Lost" two-part story from 1996, where Earth is put under martial law after the Founders are suspected of killing some Federation folks in a terrorist attack. Source of Sisko's "Paradise never looked so heavily armed" line, if I recall correctly.
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Volcott posted:Enterprise was the one with a 9/11 ep/arc. Did they do the old thing where they say like, "it was as heinous an act as The Rape of Nanking, 9/11, or the K'thal Romulan Expulsion."
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Solice Kirsk posted:Did they do the old thing where they say like, "it was as heinous an act as The Rape of Nanking, 9/11, or the K'thal Romulan Expulsion." No aliens blew up florida with a laser. Time aliens. May have hated us for our freedoms.
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Volcott posted:No aliens blew up florida with a laser. Jokes on them, nothing of value was lost 
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Don Gato posted:Jokes on them, nothing of value was lost But then who will throw gators through drive through windows?
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Blazing Ownager posted:I think it's implied the tech is there but the programmers suck is why. There's a lot of nuances to food and the replicator can only make the things it's been programmed to make. So for "hamburger" the program is probably some lowest-common-denominator thing like that or what the programmer things more will enjoy than won't. But if you make one for yourself or a family member makes one for you or if you get one at a restaurant there are specifics. There are restaurants who serve hamburgers you like better than other ones. For better or worse you have a preference. The replicated one would be indistinguishable from whatever hamburger they used to program "replicated hamburger" but you lose a lot of possible variations that way. When it comes to storing information on how to recreate something on a molecular level that's an absolute gently caress ton of information. The implication was always that there just wasn't enough techie time or information storage to store absolutely every possible variation because they are still just computers. So if you eat replicated hamburgers you're eating basically the same hamburger every time. Which would be fine but people like variety. Burgers made the old fashioned way never really come out exactly the same way every time but the replicated one does.
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evobatman posted:The replicators wouldn't make wine or anything with real alcohol in it, just synthehol that wouldn't let you actually lose control. So what's the loving point of synthehol then?
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It reminds you of being drunk. It's an echo of an echo of the real thing. Like Solo: A Star Wars story.
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Mu Zeta posted:It reminds you of being drunk. It's an echo of an echo of the real thing. It's a simuliquorum.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I reckon they're talking about the "Homefront" / "Paradise Lost" two-part story from 1996, where Earth is put under martial law after the Founders are suspected of killing some Federation folks in a terrorist attack. The two separate Star Trek conversations can converge now because those episodes also prominently featured Sisko's dad and his Cajun restaurant.
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evobatman posted:The replicators wouldn't make wine or anything with real alcohol in it, just synthehol that wouldn't let you actually lose control. Untrue. Up The Long Ladder posted:WORF: You can obtain spirituous liquours from the food dispensers.
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Mondian posted:Untrue. Star Trek was really a lot more inconsistent about things like that than people usually think
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Alhazred posted:The Others (the show, not the movie) did something similar: A group of psychics spends one season battling some evil power and then in the final episode every single one of them is killed. Then the show was cancelled. I lhad completely forgotten about that show. Speaking of which, One time my ex was watching Deadbeat about a dude who comically helps ghosts much to his chagrin.  And that resurrected memories of an early WB Show called Deadlast, which was kind of the same thing, but the dude was in a band. So I looked it up.  Same dude in both shows! He was also the stoner guy in the X-Files and in Tucker and Dale vs Evil. Kind of blew my mind
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He was also in Reaper, where he helped his buddy (who worked for the Devil) capture escaped demons.
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Ziv Zulander posted:Star Trek was really a lot more inconsistent about things like that than people usually think Maybe, but not for this. I don't think anything explicitly contradicted this.
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Leavemywife posted:He was also in Reaper, where he helped his buddy (who worked for the Devil) capture escaped demons. And in Sons of Tucson! I always forget about that guy, but he always seems to be funny in everything. No matter how stupid the show.
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Leavemywife posted:He was also in Reaper, where he helped his buddy (who worked for the Devil) capture escaped demons. God I miss that show. drat writers strike. Apparently he and the buddy appeared in some tv show I can't remember the name of recently in their reaper characters
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I thought a replicator could make pretty much anything, but the patterns for CAT DRUGS weren't preloaded on federation models. So if you wanted hooch, or hemlock, you had to upload it yourself.
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Len posted:God I miss that show. drat writers strike. That's "Kevin (Probably) Saves the World", a "mission from God"-type show starring Dipper Pines.
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Mondian posted:Untrue. I just totally ready Worf's dialogue in Michael Dorn's voice and it made me ridiculously happy.
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Rirse posted:Even through it was a kid show, the final episode of Mighty Max ends with all the sidekicks and allies dying to the villain, with the hero entering into a time loop at the end to hopefully get it right the next time. I think it was because it was canceled, but Shadow Raiders ends the same way it began: With a planet being devoured by The Beast. In the end, nothing the protagonists did could harm it and all they could do was flee - and not even all of them.
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The other replicators you see on the Star Trek shows were on the Enterprise or Voyager. For all that the Federation makes their ships pleasure liners with guns, they likely only had synthol programmed so no one could actually get drunk on ship. I really feel that the Federation is way more advanced than their peers on the Galactic stage. and intentionally build just good enough to match any of similar sized warships, then use excess space for massive crew quarters, space magic, and holo entertainment that can hijack the ship, but we let kids use it.
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Samuringa posted:I think it was because it was canceled, but Shadow Raiders ends the same way it began: With a planet being devoured by The Beast. In the end, nothing the protagonists did could harm it and all they could do was flee - and not even all of them. That's the one where the ending is basically just them managing to teleport the Beast far, far away, so that it won't be an issue again in their lifetimes, but since it's basically a meaner Galactus...
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's the one where the ending is basically just them managing to teleport the Beast far, far away, so that it won't be an issue again in their lifetimes, but since it's basically a meaner Galactus... I think they also reached a point where it was just impossible to actually deal with it - how much more can you do after someone rams a planet inside it and then detonate it, without leaving a dent?
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winterwerefox posted:The other replicators you see on the Star Trek shows were on the Enterprise or Voyager. For all that the Federation makes their ships pleasure liners with guns, they likely only had synthol programmed so no one could actually get drunk on ship. That Worf quote is from TNG and the Voyager ep with the bodyswapping alien showed them replicating real booze on that ship too. It's available, future humans probably just don't want hangovers and liver damage. Plus, you know, being caught blackout drunk when your home randomly goes to red alert all the time probably ain't good...
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Our local nerd con had him booked as a guest, some people complained saying they felt he should not be booked given some of the things he's said about the LGBTQ community. I guess there's a fair amount of crossover with nerds and LGBTQ where I live, which isn't surprising given how many people I know who are both. plus a lot of folks have no tolerance for such stuff Anyways, I guess he was told to not come after all, TMZ of all places picked it up and asked him for comment, and he claimed the event's organizers were impugning his freedom of speech. Evidently, Mr. Sorbo seems to think Freedom of Speech means Freedom from Consequences, and that's not how that works. TMZ picking it up is a bit weird because the con is northwest Ontario in a town of 100K, and I don't even think it made our local papers or TV news. When I was in middle school I was at a con and I got food poisoning and threw up right in the middle of the floor. Nana Visitor took me to a back room and found me a ginger ale. I can't picture Kevin Sorbo doing that so you guys definitely won out in the end.
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Mondian posted:Plus, you know, being caught blackout drunk when your home randomly goes to red alert all the time probably ain't good...
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I don't think Janeway being drunk could make things worse.
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winterwerefox posted:The other replicators you see on the Star Trek shows were on the Enterprise or Voyager. For all that the Federation makes their ships pleasure liners with guns, they likely only had synthol programmed so no one could actually get drunk on ship. The Defiant in DS9 is a good example of this. It's essentially some big engines attached to even bigger guns protected by shields and a prototype cloak. It's one of the smallest ships in the fleet, but can fly circles around much larger ships and blast them to pieces; it also skips all of the usual Federation amenities. The ship runs on a barebones crew that sleeps on bunks in the main hallway and only the captain has some small personal quarters. There's no holodeck, science labs, or families and civilians being tugged along into a warzone. If you want to hang out with friends or spend your days killing and/or loving everything in the holodeck you need to complete your mission so you can go back to port. It was a nice change of pace from the luxury yachts with guns vibe that the TNG-era ships have. Of course, Worf being a Klingon weeaboo, lives on it by himself even when it is docked and just listens to Klingon opera at deafening volume while staring at the blank metal walls.
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