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Dukemont
Aug 17, 2005
chocolate microscopes

quote:

When I was in my 20s, I pitied the girls who galloped to the altar. I thought they were throwing away their lives. Marriage was a bourgeois, patriarchal institution that stifled women’s freedom, and I wanted no part of it. I believed, like Gloria Steinem, that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. If I ever did get married, only Mr. Perfect would be good enough for me.

When I was in my 30s, I began to change my mind. Marriage started to look good. Unfortunately, the pool of Mr. Perfects had pretty well dried up. So I made a desperate plan: I decided to stop being so picky. Soon enough I met a man whose subtle virtues gradually revealed themselves, and not long after that – only 11 years, in fact – we got married and lived happily ever after. The other day was our 21st anniversary.

Our wedding was pleasantly low-key, because we paid for it ourselves, and we are cheap. That is not the fashion these days, but it never occurred to us to drag our guests off to some beach in Mexico or hold them to ransom for fancy wedding gifts we didn’t really need. We got married in our backyard – and had the reception there, too. It was all over in three hours. We didn’t want to tie up people’s day. That was just as well, because I was shaking so badly I could barely stand up.

I will tell you why. Nothing can equal the gravity of getting up in front of all the people you love most and declaring that something in the world – this marriage – is even more important than you are, and that you are willing to give up something for it.

Marriage changes everything.

In fact marriage – monogamous marriage – did change everything. Far from being an instrument of oppression, the development of monogamy was one of the great civilizing influences of Western history. The spread of monogamous marriage reduced the male-male competition over women by ensuring that (in theory, at least) there’s a woman for every man. This shrinks the pool of low-status, risk-oriented, desperate, unmarried men – the ones who are responsible for nearly all the crimes. Fewer unmarried men means a sharp decline in rape, kidnapping, murder, assault, robbery and other social disorders. Monogamous marriage makes the world more civilized. This is what Joseph Henrich, a professor of human evolutionary biology who’s now at Harvard, argues.

Monogamy spread because it was a competitive advantage for the societies that adopted it. Prof. Henrich did his research while he was at the University of British Columbia, and his paper, The Puzzle of Monogamous Marriage, is a robust anthropological defence of the institution. He points out that monogamy is far from “natural.” The default mode for 85 per cent of societies in human history has been polygamy – multiple wife-taking. The trouble was that polygamy created too much trouble, because a few high-status men got most of the women and the low-status men were reduced to vicious fighting over the rest.

The main advantage of monogamy, says Prof. Henrich, is a more egalitarian distribution of women – an arrangement that also works better for women and much better for children. Instead of expanding their harems, high-status men will focus more on paternal investment. Family bonds will strengthen, and gender inequality will decrease. Men who know they can probably find a mate will become more risk averse and more patient – better citizens and better family men.

All of this simply proves what I’ve maintained for years (to the annoyance of my bachelor friends). Unattached men can’t possibly be happy. They are irregulars. They should find someone nice and settle down. My husband laughs at me for saying this, but I am simply being scientifically correct. Single men are a menace to society.

So as you see, the answer to “What is marriage good for?” is quite complex. All the qualities that flow from the invention of marriage as we know it – long-term planning, devotion to your children, and the cultivation of the family as the source of values and correct conduct – are the foundations of liberal society itself. They are essential to democracy. Marriage, far from being an oppressive institution, is a liberation from a Hobbesian world of social violence, and a force for gender equality.

So listen to your mother. She’s right. Not only are you making her happy. You are saving civilization as we know it.



Margaret Wente with a hot take on monogamy

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patonthebach
Aug 22, 2016

by R. Guyovich

NZAmoeba posted:

As someone new to the country who had to buy a lot of essentials all at once, Canadian Tire is the loving poo poo man.

Its pretty depressing once you realize the "amazing deal" cookware set you got at Can Tire for 299.99 (on sale from 899.99!!!!) is actually sold for 147.77 at Walmart.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

patonthebach posted:

Its pretty depressing once you realize the "amazing deal" cookware set you got at Can Tire for 299.99 (on sale from 899.99!!!!) is actually sold for 147.77 at Walmart.

Yeah, but I hate Walmart even more.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Hot tip never ever buy anything at Walmart unless it has the identical SKU and/or model number as something you'd find at another store. Any Walmart specific model, no matter the brand, is going to be a low quality piece of poo poo with cut corners.

The only thing we ever go to Walmart for specifically is Rustler carpenter jeans because they are legit way more comfy to work in than any other jean and ever since Target folded Walmart is the only place to get em.

Those pots and pans are probably subtly different when it comes to SKU and won't last as long.

Either that or Walmart pressured the manufacturer into selling at a discount and the manufacturer is now regretting ever getting a contract at Walmart like that pickle company that almost went bankrupt because of they got into bed with the Waltons.

DynamicSloth
Jul 30, 2006

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

Dukemont posted:

Margaret Wente with a hot take on monogamy

Stopped reading at Western Civilization invented monogamy.

:nutshot:

patonthebach
Aug 22, 2016

by R. Guyovich
So the NDP candidate for Peterborough is a 20 year old poli-sci student that goes to college in Oshawa. He's got to be a poster in this thread, right?

https://www.kawartha411.ca/2018/05/07/zac-miller-nominated-as-local-ndp-candidate/

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
How long do you have to be an MPP before you get a sweet full ride DB pension? I'd love to be a backbencher for 4 years and actually get to retire at 60 like a boomer.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Dukemont posted:

Margaret Wente with a hot take on monogamy

Winners in this column: Jordan Peterson, getting Globe support for his desire for enforced monogamy

Losers in this column: Wente's husband, being told via a nationally-run piece that she settled for him

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Lobok posted:

Winners in this column: Jordan Peterson, getting Globe support for his desire for enforced monogamy

Losers in this column: Wente's husband, being told via a nationally-run piece that she settled for him

I wish I could be paid to ramble stream-of-consciousness gibberish.

I do it already and all I get in return is being asked to leave the library.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Wistful of Dollars posted:

I wish I could be paid to ramble stream-of-consciousness gibberish.

I do it already and all I get in return is being asked to leave the library.

No one's going to believe you have right-wing bona fides if you're constantly spotted in a library.

littleorv
Jan 29, 2011

patonthebach posted:

So the NDP candidate for Peterborough is a 20 year old poli-sci student that goes to college in Oshawa. He's got to be a poster in this thread, right?

https://www.kawartha411.ca/2018/05/07/zac-miller-nominated-as-local-ndp-candidate/

lol everyone in this thread is at least 40 years old. Except for me of course.

Funkdreamer
Jul 15, 2005

It'll be a blast
https://twitter.com/Colettod/status/1003266918667694080

quote:

"Almost half of Liberal supporters believed the Liberals and Kathleen Wynne were going to win the election prior to Ms. Wynne's announcement"
what

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

patonthebach posted:

So the NDP candidate for Peterborough is a 20 year old poli-sci student that goes to college in Oshawa. He's got to be a poster in this thread, right?

https://www.kawartha411.ca/2018/05/07/zac-miller-nominated-as-local-ndp-candidate/

Did they take that picture of him at a funeral?

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

patonthebach posted:

So the NDP candidate for Peterborough is a 20 year old poli-sci student that goes to college in Oshawa. He's got to be a poster in this thread, right?

https://www.kawartha411.ca/2018/05/07/zac-miller-nominated-as-local-ndp-candidate/

thats not the candidate for peterborough but w/e

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
https://twitter.com/OntLiberal/status/1002967144311787522

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Strong, local LiberalsStrong, local LiberalsStrong, local LiberalsStrong, local Liberals

Jump King
Aug 10, 2011


It's going to be sad when all the liberals wake up on June 8th and remember that Liberals getting 20% of the votes doesn't mean they get 20% of the seats.

brucio
Nov 22, 2004

EvilJoven posted:

How long do you have to be an MPP before you get a sweet full ride DB pension? I'd love to be a backbencher for 4 years and actually get to retire at 60 like a boomer.

Ontario MPPs don't get pensions

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009


patonthebach
Aug 22, 2016

by R. Guyovich

The Ontario Liberal Party . Accountable.

Yeah the public isn't buying that anymore.

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1003330240473632770

lol

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
The Liberals announcing they won't win is one of those moves that seems so foolish that you instinctively find yourself wondering "what do they know that we don't?"

But given the rest of the Liberal campaign maybe this really is a move that's as dumb as it seems.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Helsing posted:

The Liberals announcing they won't win is one of those moves that seems so foolish that you instinctively find yourself wondering "what do they know that we don't?"

But given the rest of the Liberal campaign maybe this really is a move that's as dumb as it seems.

Given that we shifted from the worst timeline to the dumbest timeline its safe to always assume that the dumbest option is the one at play.

Wirth1000
May 12, 2010

#essereFerrari

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Whatever happened to strategically voting for the most progressive option?? :thunk:

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
$15 an hour minwage and an NDP government? Might be time to rethink my 'gently caress Ontario' policy.

I'll never give up my 'gently caress the GTA' policy though.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

So this happened

how is the Bloc still even a thing

Testikles
Feb 22, 2009
Canadian Tire isn't going anywhere any time soon. They have Mark's Work Ware (wear?)house, SportChek, and some other stores and gas stations. And they bought that Norwiegian Helly Hansen company. So they're doing well. Maybe in 10 years they'll get a new CEO to drive it into the ground

Wirth1000
May 12, 2010

#essereFerrari

EvilJoven posted:

$15 an hour minwage and an NDP government? Might be time to rethink my 'gently caress Ontario' policy.

I'll never give up my 'gently caress the GTA' policy though.

Yeeeeaah, nah, it's gonna be a PC majority.

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

even when the NDP was ahead in the popular vote the number of seats has never shifted once from a PC majority.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Helsing posted:

The Liberals announcing they won't win is one of those moves that seems so foolish that you instinctively find yourself wondering "what do they know that we don't?"

But given the rest of the Liberal campaign maybe this really is a move that's as dumb as it seems.

I guess Trudeau really did scoop up the best talent from the OLP for the 2015 election and left them without anyone good at politics.

brucio
Nov 22, 2004

Wirth1000 posted:

Yeeeeaah, nah, it's gonna be a PC majority.

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

even when the NDP was ahead in the popular vote the number of seats has never shifted once from a PC majority.

Quoting Eric Grenier, that'll be 5 canpol demerits

Wirth1000
May 12, 2010

#essereFerrari

brucio posted:

Quoting Eric Grenier, that'll be 5 canpol demerits

Is he garbage? I had to look up who Eric Grenier is and didn't realize this entire time it said the CBC poll was maintained by him.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

Wirth1000 posted:

Yeeeeaah, nah, it's gonna be a PC majority.

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

even when the NDP was ahead in the popular vote the number of seats has never shifted once from a PC majority.



edit - beaten

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
There's a good chance of a PC majority but polls have been pretty wobbly the last few years, with a lot of upsets in Canada in particular thanks to the fact that we don't have the kind of detailed riding level polling that makes seat counts predictable. There's regional polling and it's true that the PCs are leading in vote rich regions that should give them the edge even in a situation where they lose the popular vote by a few points, but it's hardly a lock and Grenier's hypothetical seat counts aren't very credible given his record.

Also I can't think of many precedents where the governing centrist party in a three way race announces that they won't be able to form government but that you should still vote for them. That's a hard event to model but it could either be the hail mary pass that makes the Liberals the spoilers in a bunch of NDP leading ridings, or it could be the event that definitively pushes the OLP's vote share below 20% and gives all their remaining voters permission to go ahead and elect the NDP.

What I'm saying is go volunteer on E-day, harass your friends to vote, toss the NDP 20 or 50 bucks if you can afford it.

littleorv
Jan 29, 2011

Maybe we will see the shy commie factor for the NDP in Ontario

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Helsing posted:

What I'm saying is go volunteer on E-day, harass your friends to vote, toss the NDP 20 or 50 bucks if you can afford it.

While providing false contact information, of course.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

I will do my part to blow quasi legal weed hoots in the general direction of the missile equipped drones when the occupation comes.

Also the occupation will be disturbingly like pre-occupation life. Strange.

Math You
Oct 27, 2010

So put your faith
in more than steel

Testikles posted:

Canadian Tire isn't going anywhere any time soon. They have Mark's Work Ware (wear?)house, SportChek, and some other stores and gas stations. And they bought that Norwiegian Helly Hansen company. So they're doing well. Maybe in 10 years they'll get a new CEO to drive it into the ground

I'm pretty amazed by how well Sportchek has turned itself around. You can actually pick up pretty decent stuff for most sports there now.
It wasn't that long ago they were selling full plastic snowboards and CCM/supercycle bikes. You know, stuff that would kill your rear end if you tried to take it on challenging terrain.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Sportchek still gets pissy if the guy they're paying minimum wage actually takes his time assembling bikes, so expect lovely poorly adjusted bearings and cross threaded pedals.

But ya, now it's at least a step above department store trash.

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T.C.
Feb 10, 2004

Believe.
Per riding projections from provincewide data are completely meaningless. They're based on previous election results with scaling from current polling. That might be within some sort of useful margin when the results are a small change from previous results. They mean absolutely nothing when there is a fundamental voting shift.

There's no way that method will reasonably project how liberal voters have shifted and what they're doing. Even if the person doing it had a demonstrated grasp of statistical modelling, there's too much of a difference. The model they're scaling from doesn't hold in relation to the current vote intentions.

The only way to get a reasonable idea would be to sample a wide variety of ridings and recalibrate. Even then, it's pretty loving rough.

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