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paragon1 posted:If we had internet forums in the 1850s RealTalk would be posting threads about the dangers of those extremist abolitionists, In possibly the same basic red baiting terms.
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Procedural question: when loving a watermelon, does one cut a hole in the fruit in advance, or must one...it just seems difficult, and more than a little uncomfortable. Someday I aspire to the status of mod-only notes.
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Discendo Vox posted:Procedural question: when loving a watermelon, does one cut a hole in the fruit in advance, or must one...it just seems difficult, and more than a little uncomfortable. Fruit orfaces are the byproduct of libertarians repeatedly colliding with reality, they do whatever the market will bare.
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Discendo Vox posted:Procedural question: when loving a watermelon, does one cut a hole in the fruit in advance, or must one...it just seems difficult, and more than a little uncomfortable. Why else do you think they make such a big deal out of "mixing their labor with the land?" E: VVV I kinda want that X-wing guy to show up again WampaLord fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Jun 3, 2018 |
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So what happens now? Does Cingulate come back?
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Libertarians:RealTalk posted:Sorry, you're the dumb one.
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I wasn't sold on it being Jrod until he busted out his post on crackpot pseudo-anarchist Lysander Spooner, who Jrod loved to cite as he's a great person to hide behind if you want to look like you'd endorse abolitionism, but need someone who's ideas were fundamentally unworkable and thus no real threat to the status quo.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I wasn't sold on it being Jrod until he busted out his post on crackpot pseudo-anarchist Lysander Spooner, who Jrod loved to cite as he's a great person to hide behind if you want to look like you'd endorse abolitionism, but need someone who's ideas were fundamentally unworkable and thus no real threat to the status quo.
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For me it was this part:
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Oh my goodness, that really was Jrod. I just thought it was an off-brand generic, but no, it really was Jrod who quoted my entire post and asked me to explain the thing which the post already explained. Should I feel blessed? ... or should I start ingesting iodine pills to counteract the radiation? We really need the government to mandate putting warning signs on Jrod and Jrod-related substances, otherwise you get malicious market actors trying to repackage Jrod and pass him off as something else. How on earth can consumers possibly make the best rational choices in their decisions if the only available information was the product of lies? Yes, yes, I know Jrod would insist that is not a bug, but a feature.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I wasn't sold on it being Jrod until he busted out his post on crackpot pseudo-anarchist Lysander Spooner, who Jrod loved to cite as he's a great person to hide behind if you want to look like you'd endorse abolitionism, but need someone who's ideas were fundamentally unworkable and thus no real threat to the status quo. Yeah, the Lysander Spooner part was a giveaway. I'm surprised he went for so long without linking to mises.org, though.
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Discendo Vox posted:Procedural question: when loving a watermelon, does one cut a hole in the fruit in advance, or must one...it just seems difficult, and more than a little uncomfortable. I believe the rigor of your libertarian fervor and the potency of your individual will will separate your ability to gently caress a watermelon from the lesser men who must first cut a hole in it.
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mojo1701a posted:Yeah, the Lysander Spooner part was a giveaway. I'm surprised he went for so long without linking to mises.org, though. I can picture him now, cursing as he tries to come up with alternative sources when The Master's work is right there, piles of violated melons lying all about him. Also, I'd like to thank R. Guyovich for letting us have our fun rather than just banning him days ago.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I can picture him now, cursing as he tries to come up with alternative sources when The Master's work is right there, piles of violated melons lying all about him.  agreed
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So, not having seen this infamous wacko in the wild before, what was that business about credit card fraud? Or was it just a joke in the vein of "I'll keep reregging until they cut me off"?
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NGDBSS posted:So, not having seen this infamous wacko in the wild before, what was that business about credit card fraud? Or was it just a joke in the vein of "I'll keep reregging until they cut me off"? because he literally threatened to, and was permabanned for it  https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3636681&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=403#post460281066 quote:Here's the deal with my participation on this website going forward. Polygynous fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Jun 3, 2018 |
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Big government is the devil and private enterprise should be free to do as it likes. HOW DARE YOU DO AS YOU LIKE WITH YOUR PRIVATE ENTERPRISE AND BAN ME I DEMAND PROTECTION FROM THIS.
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mojo1701a posted:Yeah, the Lysander Spooner part was a giveaway. I'm surprised he went for so long without linking to mises.org, though. Yeah him never linking mises.org and calling chattel slavery brutal had me doubting for a second, but then he brought up Lysander Spooner and i'm like "yeah no it's definitely jrod"
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I'm still laughing at the Jill Stein voter ruse, that was when I knew. He talked before about adopting different personas when he went on different forums, this was just a version of that. "I'll say I voted for Jill Stein, then there's no way they'll think I'm a libertarian!"
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I wouldn't have caught on if he had posted in the actual jeep thread instead of here. No matter how hard he tries to disguise himself, he knows this thread is where he belongs.
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WampaLord posted:I'm still laughing at the Jill Stein voter ruse, that was when I knew. He talked before about adopting different personas when he went on different forums, this was just a version of that. Yeah that was great but to be fair, there seem to be a helluva lot of Jill Stein supporters that are really crypto-libertarians/Trump supporters.
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So is Jrod typical of libertarians in his newfound love of Jordy Pete? Or is this just a case of classic crackpot comorbidity?
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WampaLord posted:I'm still laughing at the Jill Stein voter ruse, that was when I knew. He talked before about adopting different personas when he went on different forums, this was just a version of that. It really says something about jrode's reading comprehension that he didn't before he even started recognize that even if we bought the Jill Stein vote that it wouldn't somehow make him more respectable. Might as well just say you voted for Trump, Stein's a huge piece of poo poo.
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Ratoslov posted:So is Jrod typical of libertarians in his newfound love of Jordy Pete? Or is this just a case of classic crackpot comorbidity?
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It never stops being hilarious to me that so many right-wing and right-wing-adjacent folks seem to think if they use a different label that it will be enough to trick leftists into thinking they're really one of them.
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And also that Jordan "Women are like Dragons" Peterson is going to get you any mileage with non insane people.
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Ratoslov posted:So is Jrod typical of libertarians in his newfound love of Jordy Pete? Or is this just a case of classic crackpot comorbidity? A LOT of people have noticed a Libertarian -> Alt-right tendency, so while he isn't necessarily typical of those who are STILL libertarian, it's absolutely typical of libertarians to become the sort of person who loves Misogynist Kermit.
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Mr Interweb posted:It never stops being hilarious to me that so many right-wing and right-wing-adjacent folks seem to think if they use a different label that it will be enough to trick leftists into thinking they're really one of them. Even though it was likely entirely fake, I do so adore that ancap who posted about going to Greece during the debt crisis to try to spread his ideology among actual anarchists who, in blatant violation of NAP, kicked the gently caress out of him in response. reignonyourparade posted:A LOT of people have noticed a Libertarian -> Alt-right tendency, so while he isn't necessarily typical of those who are STILL libertarian, it's absolutely typical of libertarians to become the sort of person who loves Misogynist Kermit. Scratch a libertarian, find a fascist.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Even though it was likely entirely fake, I do so adore that ancap who posted about going to Greece during the debt crisis to try to spread his ideology among actual anarchists who, in blatant violation of NAP, kicked the gently caress out of him in response. I still love JRod claiming to be an anarchist and then never citing anyone in the normal anarchist tradition except Proudhon. Even if we set aside the fact that Proudhon's most famous doctrine is "Property is theft!", he happens to be the member of the big four early anarchist thinkers with the embarrassing Molyneux-level hatred for women.
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Mr Interweb posted:It never stops being hilarious to me that so many right-wing and right-wing-adjacent folks seem to think if they use a different label that it will be enough to trick leftists into thinking they're really one of them. It isn't about tricking the left into thinking that right wing ideas are left wing ideas it's about convincing the left that right wing ideas are the correct ones. Lately they've been obsessing over messaging because they want the left to quit resisting them so fiercely without actually changing anything. It's why you see so much "lol so much for tolerance! You're intolerant toward my intolerance." Sorry buddy but the problem isn't with the left not being tolerant the problem is that racism and misogyny are genuinely bad things. No matter how you try to tie it up in a pretty bow like "well we just care about white people so much, you know? Why don't you? You care about black people more so you're the racist!" it still doesn't change the fact that the right is openly hostile to not white people and women. An antique, hand made mahogany cabinet full of poo poo is still fundamentally a wooden box full of poo poo. Making the container really fancy doesn't change the fact that poo poo is still poo poo. Same thing goes for how badly want to deregulate everything. They screech about how it's all because they just really love freedom when really what they're pursuing is oligarchy of the rich. It's part of why they hijack every word and symbol they possibly can. They desperately want to control the narrative entirely so that the left becomes the pile of freedom-hating totalitarians. Yes projection plays a part in it. However when you scratch the surface you find literal loving Nazis in the right.
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The label game is a big thing for libertarians specifically, because of the way they conceptualize people's relationships to their own beliefs. Libertarians are half-married to the idea of the left-right political axis. They correctly identify it as overly simplistic, but they make two mistakes. The first is that they still buy into the idea that someone's political beliefs can be neatly mapped onto a continuum; they just see it as a two-axis continuum instead of one, hence the Political Compass tests. Rather than seeing themselves as having a separate tendency that overlaps with conventional politics in odd ways, they essentialize it into "the axis where we agree with Republicans" and "the axis where we agree with Democrats." If you look at the original "political compass" chart, political tendencies with pretty defined articles of faith are reduced to regions on a grid, seemingly assigning you to one based on questions that were often unrelated (your stance on astrology could change whether you were "socialist" or "communist," for example). The second one is more important, and it's that they think no other group has made that "left-right axis is reductive" discovery before. There are articles on mises.org explaining that people will try to mentally label libertarians as liberal or conservative and disregard their arguments if they're on the "wrong" side, and that libertarians should play with their wording to make people think they're on the same end of the divide. Maybe that works on people who aren't as politically engaged, I don't know. But on a forum where Marxist-Leninists and leftcoms and socdems and anarchists are squabbling with each other, and some of them have even read a book, this idea starts to break down. We read a libertarian's tract and have enough context to know what their arguments are, where they came from, and what the implications are. So if they start talking about how anarchist and anti-authority they are but then use arguments straight out of Locke, it sets off alarm bells because we've seen that poo poo before and we've seen people tear into them.
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I feel like that's being overly charitable to libertarians honestly because everything I see of them suggests they're just a particularly stupid brand of liberal. Like they don't seem to have anything separating them, they both love capitalism, love deregulation, hate the idea of organized labour, hate the government doing things, and dress all their ideas up in facile conceptions of the word "freedom" that don't stand up the to faintest scrutiny. Libertarians are just kiddy fiddling, more overtly racist liberals with rhetoric that only appeals to the mentaly ill. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Jun 4, 2018 |
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I agree I'm being a bit charitable in that I'm taking them at their word for what they say they believe in, rather than diving into their leading lights who all have authoritarian streaks. They're very much an outgrowth of the liberal tradition, but they have enough to set them apart as a specific trend within it. Their anti-war and laissez faire stances specifically.
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reignonyourparade posted:A LOT of people have noticed a Libertarian -> Alt-right tendency, so while he isn't necessarily typical of those who are STILL libertarian, it's absolutely typical of libertarians to become the sort of person who loves Misogynist Kermit. My one libertarian friend (a woman to buck the trend, though she likes stuff like single payer so she's an outlier) told me that nearly all of her libertarian acquantainces have gone HARD into the JordyPete/Alt-Right train. It shook her really bad, because she despises Peterson and was insulted to her face when she brought up Charleston as a bad thing to her former pals. She seemed so sad I even skipped on the chance to tease her by saying she just hated free spech (something she tossed at me before in our conversation, mostly in jest). Being an atheist that watched the community take a similar turn. I can't help but relate.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Even though it was likely entirely fake, I do so adore that ancap who posted about going to Greece during the debt crisis to try to spread his ideology among actual anarchists who, in blatant violation of NAP, kicked the gently caress out of him in response. Sadly, you're probably right, but I laughed so hard at that and still smile a bit when I think of it; I'm sure that I still have it somewhere. My favourite part was when the Greeks were beating the gently caress out of him and he was screaming about them "Violating the non-aggression principle!"; hilarious, but also the point when I realised that it wasn't true. Despite my loss of temper towards JRod/RealTalk/DumberThanMince, I do have a certain amount of compassion towards him. I know what it's like to be somewhere where everybody hates you on principle, and it's not a fun thing. I'd call it brave if I wasn't sure that he is an utter coward, so I suppose that it's his unquenchable need to proselytise.
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JustJeff88 posted:Sadly, you're probably right, but I laughed so hard at that and still smile a bit when I think of it; I'm sure that I still have it somewhere. My favourite part was when the Greeks were beating the gently caress out of him and he was screaming about them "Violating the non-aggression principle!"; hilarious, but also the point when I realised that it wasn't true. Remember when he pulled a "you wouldn't have the guts to say that to my face" routine on dickeye and dickeye spent the next several months demanding to fight him? Good times. fake edit: aww dickeye was probated for the whole of the jroddening. Sorry buddy, you'll get him next time 
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OwlFancier posted:How do you be a libertarian and also like collectivized healthcare?
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