BiggerBoat posted:Same. I need to see that movie again, actually. Creed was so loving great. How do I know the sequel is gonna suck bad? Rocky was also great and look at the sequels
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Smiling Jack posted:Rocky was also great and look at the sequels Three terrific ones?
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RCarr posted:Three terrific ones?
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NorgLyle posted:Everybody remembers the musical montages and everything about Ivan Drago from Rocky IV. Nobody remembers Paulie's Robot Girlfriend. By itself that whole subplot drops the movie from competing for the title of 'Best Rocky' down into the dregs of the series. I'm pretty sure everyone also remembers the robot. It's just that she only shows up in about 3 scenes, I think. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if in, like, 30 years, declassified CIA documents reveal that the US government paid Stallone $20 million to make Rocky IV the way he did. Also, I'll love Rocky IV because it gave us this 30 For 30 parody.
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Paulie's sexbot was probably the most forward-thinking and accurate element of Rocky IV.
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exquisite tea posted:Paulie's sexbot was probably the most forward-thinking and accurate element of Rocky IV. BiggerBoat posted:Same. I need to see that movie again, actually. Creed was so loving great. How do I know the sequel is gonna suck bad? Maybe the Creed sequel will save the world from the current political climate, just like Rocky IV saved the world from the Cold War.
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Man, I hated that loving robot. All robots in contemporary 80's movies sucked because everyone was so blasé about them. The robot in Space Camp should have been the most amazing thing about NASA, instead it's just there to just wander around and launch random kids into space. In Rocky 4 they should have just run that robot out there in front of the Russians and watched them fall to their knees and rend their clothing in despair when confronted by superior Western technology. Instead Paulie just nutted in it nightly.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Man, I hated that loving robot. You say that, but what if "Real Steel" had been Rocky sequel where Rocky taught Paulie's robot to fight?
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The one thing I would have changed about Spider-Man: Homecoming would be Damage Control should have given Toomes compensation but only something like 10% of what he spent. It's Tony knowing he's screwing over someone, trying to make ammends and loving it up. Such a small check would have been an insult.
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Jun 4, 2018 21:38
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Inzombiac posted:The one thing I would have changed about Spider-Man: Homecoming would be I would have changed what his house looked like, because it made me lose all sympathy for him. That home has to be worth millions, you could have gotten out of the game a long time ago if you weren't so greedy, Vulture. Or Hollywood writers are so out of touch that they think that's a totally normal middle class house to have.
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Jun 4, 2018 21:46
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WampaLord posted:I would have changed what his house looked like, because it made me lose all sympathy for him. Yes but to be fair, I don't think we know what his wife does. Perhaps shes a neuro surgeon?
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Jun 4, 2018 21:50
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Hey he’s just trying to feed his guys!
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Inzombiac posted:Yes but to be fair, I don't think we know what his wife does. Perhaps shes a neuro surgeon? In that case he didn't need to go into arms dealing at all! Like after a point you stop being "I'm just doing this to provide for my family" and go full on into "I'm an arms dealer now, this will be my job until I retire, I guess, I'm just so darn good at it!"
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WampaLord posted:I would have changed what his house looked like, because it made me lose all sympathy for him. Or maybe he bought that house because of his arms dealing?
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Davros1 posted:Or maybe he bought that house because of his arms dealing? Yes, that's my point. He could have gotten a modest normal house after like one or two jobs and been out of the game but he wanted to have a loving $4 million super home so he just kept on going and thus they undermined his whole "working class sympathetic background" thing.
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I don’t think he’s ever the one more score type of villain? He has to be talked into the Stark job when every other option is gone.
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Aphrodite posted:I don’t think he’s ever the one more score type of villain? He has to be talked into the Stark job when every other option is gone. Yep. He says several times that he's just trying to look out for his family but doesn't state an end goal. I got the feeling like he knew everything could go pear-shaped suddenly so he wanted to get a good pile of cash beforehand. He was smart in not going after any huge target ubtil he was, uh, "forced" to go after Stark's plane.
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Aphrodite posted:I don’t think he’s ever the one more score type of villain? He has to be talked into the Stark job when every other option is gone. That was after years and years of doing it, though. E: VVV OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! WampaLord has a new favorite as of 22:23 on Jun 4, 2018 |
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Jun 4, 2018 22:15
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WampaLord posted:Yes, that's my point. He could have gotten a modest normal house after like one or two jobs and been out of the game but he wanted to have a loving $4 million super home so he just kept on going and thus they undermined his whole "working class sympathetic background" thing. When Stark sells weapons to terrorists it's business, but when Toomes does it is a crime? gently caress that. He even says basically that in the movie. Yeah, we know Stark grew a conscience and stopped doing that thanks to numerous movies, but the average person would be "yeah, right; rich douchebag just going to be quieter about it in the future." Because, seriously, where does T. Stark get all his money, enough to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on vanity flying weaponized armor and even some for his buddy Peter.
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Stark stops selling weapons to people because it’s bad, that’s Iron Man 1. 10 years ago. Maybe Toomes should have watched that.
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Aleph Null posted:When Stark sells weapons to terrorists it's business, but when Toomes does it is a crime? gently caress that. Selling weapons is bad no matter who does it, yes. If you want to argue that Tony Stark should have been arrested as an arms dealer, I'm not going to argue against you at all.
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WampaLord posted:Selling weapons is bad no matter who does it, yes. That was not my personal opinion, sorry, I should have said. That was the opinion of Toomes in the movie and he had a point. He decided "if that rich rear end in a top hat can do it, and steal my job, then I'm gonna do it, too" instead of "gently caress, I know selling weapons to bad guys is bad, maybe Stark should stop doing it--oh, he did, never mind."
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Jun 4, 2018 22:32
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Toomes is the MCU`s Walter White. Cool.
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Jun 4, 2018 22:36
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Like Walter White became Heisenberg, Toomes became The Vulture. edit: loving BEATEN
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I have to say, turning The Vulture into an actually frightening and powerful villain is not something I expected. I mean, I thought the best person to play Vulture was Ben Kingsley before this movie came out. Consider what I remember  Versus what we got 
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Aphrodite posted:Stark stops selling weapons to people because it’s bad, that’s Iron Man 1. 10 years ago. Maybe Toomes should have watched that. ....did he though? Cause I remember Hydra having some pretty sweet Stark Tech hovercarriers
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Jun 4, 2018 23:27
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Tony didn't make the weapons, just the propulsion system.
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Tony never sold weapons to terrorists. He had contracts with the military. It was his business partner who was secretly selling weapons to terrorists. Also, terrorists stealing them, etc. Tony himself was only "honoring" his contracts. And when he saw them in "enemy" hands and all that is when he shut that down (and thus fought his partner). And then Hammer picked up the contracts. That's all legal poo poo across the board that happens in today's real world (your Lockheed's, your Rugers, etc). Contracts come and go. Doing it from your trunk like the Vulture or Nick Cage in that other movie is what gets you in trouble. Government semantics.
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Aleph Null posted:I have to say, turning The Vulture into an actually frightening and powerful villain is not something I expected. I was intrigued when I heard the villain was the culture and then I saw the trailers and I was so loving on board. Goddamn that's a loving cool design and he was a cool villain.
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Ferrule posted:Tony never sold weapons to terrorists. He had contracts with the military. Ahh, but you contradict yourself.
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I just picked this up on my zillionth watch through of Frozen now that by younger daughter has discovered it: When Anna and Kristoff after thrown out of Elsa's castle by Marshmallow, they go sliding down a snow filled ravine. Anna spins and tumbles the whole way down, but Kristoff who has spent his whole life in the mountains is able to maintain control and slide down feet first the whole way.
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Aleph Null posted:I have to say, turning The Vulture into an actually frightening and powerful villain is not something I expected. IIRC, John Malkovich was in talks to play Vulture in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 4. I would have been down with that. That said, Michael Keaton was loving awesome as Vulture and one of the best MCU villians overall. I like that they made the Vulture into a guy who made his money through scavenging instead of just being another mad scientist with a super suit, though.
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WampaLord posted:Yes, that's my point. He could have gotten a modest normal house after like one or two jobs and been out of the game but he wanted to have a loving $4 million super home so he just kept on going and thus they undermined his whole "working class sympathetic background" thing. They didn't undermine his "working class sympathetic background", the character himself did. You have sympathy for him because of Damage Control screwing him over, but once you see his house (and his previous murder of one of his compatriots) he'd already betrayed those beliefs himself. He could have chosen not to rob Stark's plane, but the lure of "one last score" got to him. He was greedy, and had been greedy for a long time. He just didn't chose to see it.
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ZeusCannon posted:I was intrigued when I heard the villain was the culture I could stand a Consider Phlebas movie
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Davros1 posted:They didn't undermine his "working class sympathetic background", the character himself did. You have sympathy for him because of Damage Control screwing him over, but once you see his house (and his previous murder of one of his compatriots) he'd already betrayed those beliefs himself. The movie doesn't call any attention at all to his house being ridiculously expensive, though, I honestly think it's just writers being extremely out of touch.
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Aleph Null posted:Yeah, we know Stark grew a conscience and stopped doing that thanks to numerous movies, but the average person would be "yeah, right; rich douchebag just going to be quieter about it in the future." Because, seriously, where does T. Stark get all his money, enough to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on vanity flying weaponized armor and even some for his buddy Peter.
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WampaLord posted:The movie doesn't call any attention at all to his house being ridiculously expensive, though, I honestly think it's just writers being extremely out of touch. When I saw that house, when Peter and Ned showed up, I thought it was a loving rich person's house.
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It's actually an extremely realistic portrayal. As a former poor (now middle class), I can tell you if you're down and out and suddenly find a great source of income you go nuts. Big rear end TV, big rear end house, fancy everything, because you've never had it before so you want all the things you dreamed of NOW. He's doing the very large scale version of "won the Fantasy 5, time to buy a boat to park in front of my double wide." I have total sympathy for him because rich people hosed him, so his determination to out rich them makes total sense in his mind. That doesn't make him right. I just totally understand the slide into villany.
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Guys, the Vulture was like two comma rich in the beginning because he owned the company and then was gonna lose everything thanks to Stark and Damage Control. His objective wasn't getting rich, it was staying rich.
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