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can’t wait for the presidential pardon for Melanias kidnapping and murder because the dems dont think that’s impeachable
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Joementum posted:this is so stupid I'm on board to say that the dems most of the time are feigning helplessness, but I think they have an actual ideological reluctance to use their power.
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Jun 4, 2018 22:08
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They're egging him on. You can still egg people on and not do anything about it also.
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Joementum posted:this is so stupid The president can pardon himself for ordering the assassination of congresspeople
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Jun 4, 2018 22:14
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Joementum posted:this is so stupid The President probably can't pardon himself.
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Jun 4, 2018 22:17
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Vox Nihili posted:The President probably can't pardon himself. maybe finding the answer to this question will be kind of like our time's moon landing
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bernie finally made a face we can post endlessly at centrists in a year.
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Nonsense posted:bernie finally made a face we can post endlessly at centrists in a year. check the bernie thread :bernoe:
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Yinlock posted:he's been committing crimes non-stop since he got in lack of decorum isn’t a crime Yinlock.
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Hitler's Fifth Reich
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Joementum posted:this is so stupid Your argument is moot bc he will never be impeached
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Why didn't the Constitution contemplate politicians refusing to exercise their constitutional powers and giving them even more powers to not exercise
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Vox Nihili posted:The President probably can't pardon himself. im willing to bet that if the roberts court adjudicates this constitutional question they will disagree
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mastershakeman posted:Why didn't the Constitution contemplate politicians refusing to exercise their constitutional powers and giving them even more powers to not exercise it does! that's why we have elections every two years.
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Jun 4, 2018 23:01
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Liberal democracy succ, weak, baby Socialist democracy: strong, equal, big adult
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What the gently caress is the "Fifth Reich"?
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Jun 4, 2018 23:16
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They're the backup band for ironic English punk rocker Maggie Hitler, who challenges societal norms by asking 'What if Adolf Hitler and Margaret Thatcher were the same person?'
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Jun 4, 2018 23:21
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Democrats overwhelming November victory has been annihilated, this is now the most realistic scenario. https://twitter.com/CharlieCookDC/status/1002615405771403264
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a lot of these legal arguments against self pardon lean on him being impeached (lol), public opinion mattering (their bosses will tell them if they protest on the clock they will be fired, and people wont't care enough anyway), and decorum/norms that have no legal strength
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Jun 4, 2018 23:45
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Trump will pardon himself and nobody will do anything to stop it
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Jun 4, 2018 23:49
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of course he can pardon himself and it doesn't practically matter. if you want to get a president out of office, here's how it's going to happen: 1. voted out through an election 2. term limited 3. death 4. removed by cabinet through 25th amendment vote 5. impeachment 6. constitutional amendment abolishing the executive (lol) 7. voluntary resignation that's it
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hmm... this system of government seems poorly thought out
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Joementum posted:of course he can pardon himself and it doesn't practically matter. if you want to get a president out of office, here's how it's going to happen: Only 2 and 3 are plausible
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Taintrunner posted:hmm... this system of government seems poorly thought out The US system of government is a big fat mess but americans hype as the best system in the world.
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So I tried looking up articles on what would happen if politicians tried to Internet debate as an alternative to televised debate and foundTIME posted:Suppose, for example, you think that the rich aren’t paying their fair share. That’s not the kind of thing you merely think. Chances are, you feel it; you feel it in your gut. What’s the likelihood of your being convinced otherwise by the detail that, in 2014, the top 1% of earners paid 45.7% of all federal income taxes while taking home only 17% of total income? From a strictly rational standpoint, that fact should be a conversation stopper. Checkmate. But it never is. Well, for me, that statistic isn't a conversation stopper because the percentage of all federal income which the top 1% of earners should pay should rise with income inequality as the dependent statistic, so as not to let the rich become too powerful. Being exact about it would require some f(x) mathematical formula, and our own legal system abhors mathematical formulas which are more complicated than piecewise-linear so that the lawyers will be able to understand them without mathematicians' help. In a debate, I do not think a goalpost like in a scientific paper is always necessary to have, and you don't have to be an EPA environmentalist knowledgeable about what the exact level of lead should be in our water that accurately trades off the economic costs and the health effects to know something's wrong when it's poisoning people like in Flint, Michigan. In these cases, a description of the problem should suffice. The top 1% of earners are earning the largest share of our country's income since the 1920s, peaking just before the Great Depression. galenanorth has issued a correction as of 00:01 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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Taintrunner posted:hmm... this system of government seems poorly thought out people get huffy when you posit that the constitution sucks like it's not even constitutionally mandated that men and women are equal
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Taintrunner posted:hmm... this system of government seems poorly thought out it's very well thought out if your goal is to have a system of government that is democratic on its face but really isnt Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 00:02 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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This is a real good listen if you want to be real mad at Diane Feinstein, btw She supported the prosecution of the guy who tore down her confederate flag
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Shear Modulus posted:it's very well thought out as a system of government that is democratic on its face but really isnt it also helps to not buy into the lionization of the founding fathers and realize that they were actually a bunch of real estate (property) dipshits
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Guy Goodbody posted:This is a real good listen if you want to be real mad at Diane Feinstein, btw well of course. how else do you expect her to win over the moderate republicans?
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the United States can indict any human being on the planet.
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Phone posted:it also helps to not buy into the lionization of the founding fathers and realize that they were actually a bunch of real estate (property) dipshits Property back then meant slaves really
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Feinstein prosecuted an anti american flag burner, +3.8
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Phi230 posted:Property back then meant slaves really well, that too, but they were really into land
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slaves werent terribly useful without land on which to work them to death in the 1780s
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the Property Fathers
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galenanorth posted:So I tried looking up articles on what would happen if politicians tried to Internet debate as an alternative to televised debate and found It's also insane because they pay 47% while controlling, gosh, almost the entirety of the nation's wealth as generated by it's exploited labor, while also cheating on their taxes to the degree of billions of dollars if not more. So really they should be paying 110%
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Nonsense posted:Democrats overwhelming November victory has been annihilated, this is now the most realistic scenario. Dnd still insists the blue wave will happen and everything's fine and Pelosi and Schumer are actually great and and and
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