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Kai Tave posted:What is Wick's problem with Rogues anyway, that one's never been entirely clear to me. "This is different from the thing in my old book." Honestly that's just the dumbest grog thing to me. Rogue makes so much more sense. Why does your adventuring party have a thief in it? Were there going to be nobles strolling about the dungeon, pouches fat with coin of the realm? Might as well bring along a mudlark and a lant collector. Let's just turn the dungeon into Leeds, see what happens.
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There is almost no RPG story that starts with telling you how the player is a teenage girl, that ends well.
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Cassa posted:There is almost no RPG story that starts with telling you how the player is a teenage girl, that ends well. "We had a teenage girl join our group, which was fairly sensible since we were all teenagers, as the game was in high school."
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theironjef posted:"This is different from the thing in my old book." Honestly that's just the dumbest grog thing to me. Rogue makes so much more sense. Why does your adventuring party have a thief in it? Were there going to be nobles strolling about the dungeon, pouches fat with coin of the realm? Might as well bring along a mudlark and a lant collector. Let's just turn the dungeon into Leeds, see what happens. I think it’s the Grey Jedi complaint - you have somebody who’s mysteriously great at skills only a criminal needs, like picking locks, but at the sane time is cool to hang out with the Paladin. The Rogue became a bit of a “dungeon security consultant”. Not that that’s a bad thing though, in fact the Rogue is probably one of the best defenses of the Grey Jedi.
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spectralent posted:"We had a teenage girl join our group, which was fairly sensible since we were all teenagers, as the game was in high school." It would be extremely generous to call this a story.
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Splicer posted:In the full game are Families customisable? I saw a list of the family playbook titles somewhere, are they archetypes to provide a framework to hang your own concepts on or fully fleshed out groups with a fixed place in a setting? Like a lot of PbtA playbooks, they combine several different thematic elements for you to take them in multiple directions. For example, the Order of the Titan is either Pacific Rim or Monster Hunter and the Lawgivers can be Assassin's Creed or army brats, depending on what options you pick. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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Jun 5, 2018 09:13
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Kai Tave posted:What is Wick's problem with Rogues anyway, that one's never been entirely clear to me. Because only dum-dums go into dungeons when you could just be stealing from the comfort of your own city, or something! Or to just hear him talk about a preview for an unreleased book- I think this would become part of Wicked Fantasy? Not sure, haven't read it. but as quoted in my Pathfinder review- John Wick posted:The Book of Thieves.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Because only dum-dums go into dungeons when you could just be stealing from the comfort of your own city, or something!
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Looks like John finally picked up his copy of Blades in the Dark.
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Jun 5, 2018 13:09
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Wick's real beef with them is that the rogue/thief/whatever is the most easily available and non-exhausting hard counter to the lovely dungeon design bread and butter that is 'you didn't check the doorknob, the frame, AND the keyhole so when you touch it the door explodes and teleports you into the core of the elemental plane of fire you die no save'.
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Jun 5, 2018 16:20
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I'm running a campaign for the first time in a couple of years, and I'm thinking of trying to digitize things a little more to cut down on the amount of paper, and make more resources available to players. How do people handle the "bookkeeping" parts of running a tabletop RPG these days? Are there good cross-platform character sheet things? Good DM/GM mobile or PC apps that let you keep NPCs, story info, text blurbs, and maps all in the same place? I could do all this in Google Drive, I'm sure, but I'd be interested in hearing about any other options that might exist. If it matters, we're not 100% certain on which system yet, but I suspect given this group's tendencies and experience, it'll probably be D&D 5e or Trail of Cthulhu.
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MockingQuantum posted:I'm running a campaign for the first time in a couple of years, and I'm thinking of trying to digitize things a little more to cut down on the amount of paper, and make more resources available to players. How do people handle the "bookkeeping" parts of running a tabletop RPG these days? Are there good cross-platform character sheet things? Good DM/GM mobile or PC apps that let you keep NPCs, story info, text blurbs, and maps all in the same place? I could do all this in Google Drive, I'm sure, but I'd be interested in hearing about any other options that might exist. http://orcpub2.com/ is a pretty good character sheet creator and storage thing. Give it a poke.
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sexpig by night posted:Wick's real beef with them is that the rogue/thief/whatever is the most easily available and non-exhausting hard counter to the lovely dungeon design bread and butter that is 'you didn't check the doorknob, the frame, AND the keyhole so when you touch it the door explodes and teleports you into the core of the elemental plane of fire you die no save'. HackMaster did have them separate - the rogue is the social con-man and the thief is the lockpicker/trapchecker etc.
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Cassa posted:There is almost no RPG story that starts with telling you how the player is a teenage girl, that ends well. Imagine a 45 year old man with a regrettable Porthos-themed facial hair arrangement coming up to an 18 year-old intern at his office. He is, in some capacity, the boss. He tells her that she has a "secret superhero nickname" which is "Happy Fun Ball". Having been born in 1990, she has no idea what the gently caress he is talking about, so she just uncomfortably laughs a little. He then tells here there is an office D&D game that she is expected to play in. She knows that this is a house of RPG book printing or something (I assume he was with Alderac or whatever), so she figures it's probably best to go along. Hearing her assent, he does what he thinks counts as an evil laugh, then starts listing the ways old D&D is better. Poor Happy Fun Ball resigns to never make eye contact and start wearing extra layers to work. Later, he will proudly write about this in a book for other people with musketeer hair to learn of.
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theironjef posted:Imagine a 45 year old man with a regrettable Porthos-themed facial hair arrangement coming up to an 18 year-old intern at his office. He is, in some capacity, the boss. He tells her that she has a "secret superhero nickname" which is "Happy Fun Ball". Having been born in 1990, she has no idea what the gently caress he is talking about, so she just uncomfortably laughs a little. He then tells here there is an office D&D game that she is expected to play in. She knows that this is a house of RPG book printing or something (I assume he was with Alderac or whatever), so she figures it's probably best to go along. Hearing her assent, he does what he thinks counts as an evil laugh, then starts listing the ways old D&D is better. Poor Happy Fun Ball resigns to never make eye contact and start wearing extra layers to work.
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to be fair if I'm interning at the RPG book printing place I had goddamn better get to play in the office game.
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Yawgmoth posted:got some bad news for ya rip van winkle Yeah, I didn't do my research, but I'm pretty sure he didn't write Play Dirty 1 this year.
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Jun 5, 2018 18:59
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The original book came out in 2001, if the 2016 15th anniversary edition is to be believed.
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My Lovely Horse posted:to be fair if I'm interning at the RPG book printing place I had goddamn better get to play in the office game.
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Flavivirus posted:Yeah, you've got it!
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Splicer posted:Final question, I read a rumour that there was a generation ship setting/book/something coming out. That is incredibly my poo poo, is there any truth to it? Sure! We have 5 non-post apoc takes on the system coming out... actually, tomorrow, I think. Read more here, but we have:
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Super excited for the tabletop version of EVO: Search for Eden.
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Kai Tave posted:What is Wick's problem with Rogues anyway, that one's never been entirely clear to me. Wick is honestly just that one mustard seed GM at heart, he's just in far deeper denial. At the end of the day, the worst thing you can do as far as Wick is concerned is actually play the game - and rogues, as something of a "meta-class" that only exists because dungeons exist, reminds him too much that, at the end of the day, this is a game to be played.
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Flavivirus posted:
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Wick's entire thing, as a GM, is impossible obstacles and bullshit traps. The thief's entire thing, as a class, is bypassing obstacles and avoiding bullshit traps.
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Halloween Jack posted:Wick's entire thing, as a GM, is impossible obstacles and bullshit traps.
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All you need to do is make a trap that only works against people good at disarming traps, bing bang bong, simple.
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FMguru posted:See also: his hatred for ronin, the masterless samurai who can walk away from all the contrived "heads you lose, tails you lose" Sophie's Choice no-win social situations that Wick loves to put L5R characters in. I've always appreciated the poetry of a Kurosawa-ripoff system that does everything in its power to keep you from playing Kikuchiyo. Antivehicular fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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FMguru posted:See also: his hatred for ronin, the masterless samurai who can walk away from all the contrived "heads you lose, tails you lose" Sophie's Choice no-win social situations that Wick loves to put L5R characters in. Wick can't say that, though; his philosophy is "If you and the players aren't on the same page, pretend to go along what they want, and gently caress them over."
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Antivehicular posted:I've always appreciated the poetry of a Kurosawa-ripoff system that does everything in your power to keep you from playing Kikuchiyo. It has always been my assertion that L5R being based on samurai movies is only true in that Wick wants you playing the hordes of uncredited extras that get cut down by the real heroes. Worse, huge chunks of the players eat that poo poo up, and actively ban Great Destiny/Dark Fate, the one thing that existed in the system to make it a little less dumb.
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FMguru posted:See also: his hatred for ronin, the masterless samurai who can walk away from all the contrived "heads you lose, tails you lose" Sophie's Choice no-win social situations that Wick loves to put L5R characters in.
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The later work on the Dark Sword of Bitter Lies is really a case of making chicken poo poo into chicken salad.
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Halloween Jack posted:The later work on the Dark Sword of Bitter Lies is really a case of making chicken poo poo into chicken salad. Wasn't he enraged that later editions made it an actual thing with actual benefits, rather then an "advantage" that just disadvantaged you?
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Kai Tave posted:All you need to do is make a trap that only works against people good at disarming traps, bing bang bong, simple. D&D modules straight up did that.
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Hostile V posted:Oh thank god I now know when A Castle Adventure That Is Legally Distinct From Other Properties That Involve Bloodlines And Draculas are coming out. See also: every game I run, ever.
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NinjaDebugger posted:It has always been my assertion that L5R being based on samurai movies is only true in that Wick wants you playing the hordes of uncredited extras that get cut down by the real heroes. Worse, huge chunks of the players eat that poo poo up, and actively ban Great Destiny/Dark Fate, the one thing that existed in the system to make it a little less dumb. A lot of this hobby in general is obsessed with making the PCs fragile and near-useless for no fathomable reason.
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Lemon-Lime posted:A lot of this hobby in general is obsessed with making the PCs fragile and near-useless for no fathomable reason.
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Lemon-Lime posted:A lot of this hobby in general is obsessed with making the PCs fragile and near-useless for no fathomable reason.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:It feels really good when you start out weak with combat as a last resort and then grow into something powerful. It feels more "earned" that way. You don't have to vibe or agree with that but I think it's self-evidently fathomable. Zero to hero feels great if you ever get to the hero portion before the GM or enough players burn out, resulting in a fresh round of playing a zero, rinse and repeat forever.
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