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B, he seems deserving as the ceremonial constitutional monarch while the Majlis retains actual power, just as it does now.
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B What will you do if C has the most votes but the sum of A & B are greater?
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Jun 5, 2018 19:56
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Voting B as the pragmatic option
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mossyfisk posted:B Yeah, Zulfiqar is still very much opposed to absolutism. He's also very old though, and his views won't necessarily be those of his successors (think Frederick III and Wilhelm II). As for his sons, their personalities will come down to Victoria 2 RNG. You can definitely assume that his eldest son will have been groomed as a tactician though, if not a politician. aqu posted:A If monarchist camps can't decide on a single candidate, then that's down to them. C wins.
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Jun 5, 2018 19:58
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C, but I'd accept B, despite it smacking of Bonapart- er, Tirrunism.
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Hashim posted:Yeah, Zulfiqar is still very much opposed to absolutism. He's also very old though, and his views won't necessarily be those of his successors (think Frederick III and Wilhelm II). In that case, I'm firmly in the C camp. I could buy B as an okay choice if Zulfiqar was around for a few decades, but I'm not willing to trust his unknown sons to provide stability when they could turn out to be another set of Mad Hunchbacks.
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Jun 5, 2018 20:07
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You guys know what one thing is worse than the Moroccans and French combined? The loving Jizrunids! I'm largely ambivalent, but voting B feels like the more roleplay-y option considering Raed did acknowledge the leadership ability of al-Houd by the end of the war.
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We did not depose despots to merely invite another to take their place. Raed Zulfiqar is a hero of our nation, and he knows well what it is to fight for the people. Long may he reign as Grand Vizier, but may the insult of Sultan never sully his good name. C I could be convinced to go B if we've getting a strong Constitution as a package deal. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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Jun 5, 2018 20:08
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C No kings. And no, you can't prove that I'm trying to destabilize the county in an attempt to cause a communist revolution as soon as communists actually exist
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Jun 5, 2018 20:09
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Destabilizing too early is gonna result in an anarcho-liberal dictatorship lol
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Jun 5, 2018 20:11
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Jun 5, 2018 20:13
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B, Zulfiqar is the Sultan we need.
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TheFlyingLlama posted:C I can't wait to start HoI IV as a less-than-minor power. Zikan posted:Destabilizing too early is gonna result in an anarcho-liberal dictatorship lol Basically this is why. Trying to force your country to destabilize only results in lovely factions like the Jacobins and 
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Zikan posted:Destabilizing too early is gonna result in an anarcho-liberal dictatorship lol What's the Arabic transliteration of Proudhon?
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Jun 5, 2018 20:15
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A Bonstitutional monarchy would sound like the wisest bet.
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Jun 5, 2018 20:15
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Jun 5, 2018 20:18
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if zulfiqar has any sense, he'll reject the crown
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Jun 5, 2018 20:19
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Let's pick the kinda smart option for once and go with B.
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Jun 5, 2018 20:23
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B I think Zulfiqar has earned a nice retirement as the figurehead Monarch of Al-Andalus
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CommissarMega posted:A Bonstitutional monarchy would sound like the wisest bet. This. I sympathize a lot with C, but I am concerned that we would get crushed between France and Morocco.
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BErwin the German posted:I'd accept B, despite it smacking of Bonapart- er, Tirrunism. The way we're describing Zulfiqar, it sounds more Orleanist than Bonapartist.
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Jun 5, 2018 20:29
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C Andalusians didn't endure decades of war just to bend the knee to a new Sultan. They did it to bend the knee to the Majilis!
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Jun 5, 2018 20:30
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B, if we have a monarchy then it'll be a lot easier to destabilize in the later half of the century and become the beating heart of the world revolution. Second time's the charm!
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Jun 5, 2018 20:40
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I'm taking a whip count, fellow Majlis, and it's looking like they're going to give Zulfiqar the crown, 2-1 for giving up our hard won authority. We better start on our list of demands for the constitutional settlement before they can bury us with absolutism!
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Jun 5, 2018 20:43
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Monarchies are for nerds.
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Let's start building Bridges instead of burning them.
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Jun 5, 2018 20:52
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C What foolishness! Al-Andalus is not a land for kings, and if anyone has proven this, it is Zulfiqar! At his side and under his leadership, we threw out the mad Mahdi, the accursed Almoravid Sultan, and, yes, the Emperor of Europe and his tyrant son! What greater insult to such a man could making him a king be? How will new Zulfiqars rise, when we need them, with another line of fat and lazy dynasts clogging our happily empty throne?
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Jun 5, 2018 21:01
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What if we give the crown to some random non jizrunid idiot who can be a complete figurehead while cool man Zulfiqar and his elected successors get to actually rule.
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Jun 5, 2018 21:05
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:C I like the cut of your jib. C
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Jun 5, 2018 21:12
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:C You're just mad that the crown isn't being offered to you again. 
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Jun 5, 2018 21:18
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Voting A. Jizrunids gotta come back so we can kill them off for good.
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I was gonna go A for max hilarity, but I'll  onto B so we can play with those fun dynastic events.
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Jun 5, 2018 21:20
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Option C Al-Andalus needs no monarchy.
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Jun 5, 2018 21:23
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B for Bonarchy
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Jun 5, 2018 21:35
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mossyfisk posted:B
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Jun 5, 2018 21:36
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Knock knock who's there? Ben ben who? Bend the knee!
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Jun 5, 2018 21:37
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B! We're not actually part of the winning coalition, we just hopped on the bandwagon right at the end and history has shown why we shouldn't alienate all our neighbours. We shouldn't push our luck too hard. That said, we should offer the crown to the man who worked for Al Andalus his entire career rather than some effete Jizrunid exiled prince who has never even been to the country.
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Jun 5, 2018 21:43
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We need a Bold new course for the new era!
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Anyone we could find some childless old guy to be King, force him to cede power to the Shura, then reassert the old order when he dies in 20 years?
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