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Dumb Lowtax posted:For Senator is just says "Not Feinstein" but who is the particular "not Feinstein" that we're all voting for? DeLeon is good. He was in the mix during the UHC legislation. Here’s a link to the podcast I was talking about. I’m not going to put any energy into defending Persky but I don’t believe the argument is dishonest. https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/aider-and-abettor-podcast/id1198837585?mt=2&i=1000393566090
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CopperHound posted:If my ballot just says DE LEON, I don't think they are going to do anything special for him. It begins!
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Jaxyon posted:That voter guide also says that there's an argument to going Villarigosa, as he's close to being #2 and it denies Cox a platform. Which is not a bad strategy. But I'm probably being idealistic and since this is the Worst Timeline he'll probably win. Chipping away at 13 is a good thing, and the relative modest impact of raincatchers should be tertiary to reforming water use in the state's agribusiness. At least that's what I've heard.
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I was listening to FiveThirtyEight's politics podcast this morning on my way to work and they mentioned Newsom has been propping up Cox on the sly because he'd rather run against a Republican than have to get in the weeds vs another Dem. Not sure how accurate this is but it sounds plausible given what I know about our boy Gavin.
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Sydin posted:I was listening to FiveThirtyEight's politics podcast this morning on my way to work and they mentioned Newsom has been propping up Cox on the sly because he'd rather run against a Republican than have to get in the weeds vs another Dem. Not sure how accurate this is but it sounds plausible given what I know about our boy Gavin. How can anyone still think that sort of opposition-propping is still a good idea?
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FilthyImp posted:Villaraigosa is terrible and locking him out of the visibility of that race is good. Villar is basically a Republican so if no one else can topple the Newsomania might as well toss a crazy Republican up there so he can complain about TAXES and EDUCATION and hail Trump. E: ^ and apparently Newsom might have similar thoughts as me. E2: we probably live in the hosed up timeline where our choice ends up being between Villaraigosa and Cox. CopperHound fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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FilthyImp posted:Villaraigosa is terrible and locking him out of the visibility of that race is good. Villar is basically a Republican so if no one else can topple the Newsomania might as well toss a crazy Republican up there so he can complain about TAXES and EDUCATION and hail Trump. Yes, Villa and 13 both suck. Strategic voting (in Villaraigosa's case) isn't about liking the guy, it's about the least worst option. Their argument is that having 2 Dems on the ticket is better than giving a fascist a platform for the next 6 mos. I don't agree with the arguments in support of 72 but I'm just saying why people on the left are voting for it.
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Kuvo posted:
also crosspostin' this from the SD thread Since local elections can be tougher to get good info on, gonna stan for a few here. In particular, I never know poo poo about all the local judges on the ballot, but this time around a friend of mine in law school who spends a lot of time in court for her internship had some revealing anecdotes about Judge Herbert Exarhos in particular. quote:I worked under him in PD office. He once ruled that a security officer (not a police officer) pulling a man's hands out of his pockets, and the man resisting, was robbery because the man used "force" against the security. Then because he had a knife in his pocket it was armed robbery. So vote for Vikki Rothman for Judge office #28. Also hopefully goons are smart enough to support Genevieve Jones-Wright and Dave Myers for DA and Sheriff, respectively.
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Well I guess ill go no on C and yes on D with the hope that G will pass (it funds education).
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Also the majority of voters turn out to back high profile (ie: federal) candidates. If there's no Republican choice for Governor or Senator come November, it could easily depress Republican turnout enough that Dems would sweep some local elections they otherwise may not have. There's a reason Trump recently tweeted out that GOP voters need to rally around Cox to prevent him from getting swept up by our primary process. That said I'm absolutely not voting for Villaraigosa even if it's the best thing to do strategically, but I understand why somebody else might. I'm going to be one of those sad losers who chips in to Eastin's 4% vote total.
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I voted for Villaraigosa mostly because he’s Mexican American and Renteria doesn’t have any shot.
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mike- posted:I voted for Villaraigosa mostly because he’s Mexican American and Renteria doesn’t have any shot. Lol 
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If I choose 'write in' without putting down a name, would it count as not voting or as voting against the Contra Costa County sheriff who is unopposed?
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FilthyImp posted:Ok, so that's not exactly honest since the issue isn't that the judge didn't pursue strict enough punishment, it's that he literally stepped in and said that the guy's punishment was way out of line with his sports accomplishments and would ruin this Fine Upstanding Young Man's prospects in life and basically slapped him on the wrist DESPITE there being like three witnesses pulling him off of the victim and DNA evidence. It's not an issue of encouraging Touch Crime stances, it's about a guy that has an obvious bias in sexual violence cases. wait is this the stanford rapist's judge? lol
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mike- posted:I voted for Villaraigosa mostly because he’s Mexican American and Renteria doesn’t have any shot. also lmao Sydin posted:Also the majority of voters turn out to back high profile (ie: federal) candidates. If there's no Republican choice for Governor or Senator come November, it could easily depress Republican turnout enough that Dems would sweep some local elections they otherwise may not have. There's a reason Trump recently tweeted out that GOP voters need to rally around Cox to prevent him from getting swept up by our primary process. tyool 2018 where voting for the best candidate makes you a sad loser
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Shear Modulus posted:tyool 2018 where voting for the best candidate makes you a sad loser Welcome to the worst timeline, food and beverages are available in the back of the room.
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Trabisnikof posted:OurRev EastBay is saying in an infographic that they oppose RM3 but I can’t find a single thing online about it except the infographic. Weird. As a follow up, looks like the local OurRev groups oppose RM3, DSA chapters have no stated opinions, Unions and yimbys are obviously pro, transit groups are pro.
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It looks like RM3 will fund good stuff but increasing tolls is one of the worst ways to pay for transportation investments.
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Well, just got back from voting in the 48th. It was completely utterly deserted, not a single other voter arrived in the entire time. Just a bank of 12 empty machines and 3-4 election staff thats super happy to see someone, anyone. As they flipped through the book that contains all the names it was also devoid of checked off names, all blank. I'm hoping there's a night time rush or something but this was at about noon. or maybe I'm the decider!!!
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Maybe you goons don't see this where you are at but in my Sacramento area location the primary Newsom ad on TV is basically a Cox ad aka "he believes in lower taxes, a strong border and supports President Trump his name is Cox! oh by the way vote for Gavin instead"
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Sydin posted:I was listening to FiveThirtyEight's politics podcast this morning on my way to work and they mentioned Newsom has been propping up Cox on the sly because he'd rather run against a Republican than have to get in the weeds vs another Dem. Not sure how accurate this is but it sounds plausible given what I know about our boy Gavin. but vil is a republican??? Gavin what are you doing
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vektuz posted:Well, just got back from voting in the 48th. Just vote by mail Also, It says my ballot hasn't been counted, but the return date is 1/1/1775. I mailed it in last week. I'm guessing its not updated yet? Alst fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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Wuet88 posted:Just vote by mail The reason I brought it up was not to highlight the inconvenience of voting but the emptiness of the place. Previous primaries (and of course generals) have actually been significantly busier at this time.
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vektuz posted:The reason I brought it up was not to highlight the inconvenience of voting but the emptiness of the place. Previous primaries (and of course generals) have actually been significantly busier at this time. No one in my office seems to even know there is an election. I feel turn out will be pretty low.
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Wuet88 posted:No one in my office seems to even know there is an election. I feel turn out will be pretty low. I've made sure the ones I work with do know, but a lot of them definitely did not, yeah, when I made sure to let them know. vektuz fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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Sydin posted:I'm going to be one of those sad losers who chips in to Eastin's 4% vote total. My mother last year changed her party from Republican to Democrat and I convinced her to vote Eastin this AM. Eastmentum, baby!
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Also not to shill FiveThirtyEight again but they did a fairly comprehensive article on why Feinstein is still doing so well despite California getting more and more liberal. The answer, as you may expect, is fairly complicated but can mostly be distilled down to "white people"
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buglord posted:yeah same here, I didnt do my homework either! its good lol. i like the visceral wording. it grabs you by the neck. muscular. strong.
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Shear Modulus posted:wait is this the stanford rapist's judge? lol yea lol
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The Palo Alto Post was really playing up the fact that it has cost like $3.1 million for the recall.
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Panfilo posted:The Palo Alto Post was really playing up the fact that it has cost like $3.1 million for the recall.  won't these women think of the poor money!!! metoo has gone too far!
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hey if you're in CA42 please vote out ken calvert he's a huge piece of poo poo and julia peacock is p sweet unfortunately this district is R+10 and the last R stronghold in Riverside County so it's not gonna happen :/
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Smythe posted:its good lol. i like the visceral wording. it grabs you by the neck. muscular. strong. it just makes me suspicious of it more because everyone here swayed by neck-grabbing wording has been completely absorbed by Fox News. Although living in Fresno makes voting kinda easier because you can vote the opposite of what everyone says to vote and you'll have a decently liberal ballot. Its still wild to me that despite the Central Valley's overwhelming hispanic population, its still heavily pro-trump. Though it makes more sense when two Mexico born people I know want closed borders. buglord fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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buglord posted:it just makes me suspicious of it more because everyone here swayed by neck-grabbing wording has been completely absorbed by Fox News. i dont want to derail and post some dumb poo poo but i personally think its good and high time that progressives loving dump the milquetoast middling decorum hogwash and take these vile plutocrat bastards to the top rope and piledrive them until the mat collapses through the ground and takes their infected bodies and brains down to the burning halls of hell. tbh
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Shageletic posted:As an outer stater, how bad is Gavin other than him looking evil as gently caress? As far as I can tell, Gavin has been on the fast track to political rise for over a decade now, which turns people off. Same way people viewed Hillary being groomed as an eventual president, and thus were put off by here even though logically she was one of the most thoroughly vetted and experienced candidates for the job in modern history. He screams white privileged to most people, and American Psycho to others. It doesn't help that I believe most people wouldn't be able to tell him apart from Eric/Don Jr. Trump in a blind line up. He also talks in word salad, but in a competent under-deliver and under-promise politician way, not in a Trump way. I remember Colbert called him on it like a decade ago on the Colbert Report. He did vote pro-gay marriage in SF, so just a reminder that like regardless of the above points he will 1000000% be better than any Republican candidate ever.
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Smythe posted:i dont want to derail and post some dumb poo poo but i personally think its good and high time that progressives loving dump the milquetoast middling decorum hogwash and take these vile plutocrat bastards to the top rope and piledrive them until the mat collapses through the ground and takes their infected bodies and brains down to the burning halls of hell. tbh I guess thats fair enough. I can only dream of that reality. Also im very happy that the 24/7 political campaigning on TV will come to an end.
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jeeves posted:As far as I can tell, Gavin has been on the fast track to political rise for over a decade now, which turns people off. Same way people viewed Hillary being groomed as an eventual president, and thus were put off by here even though logically she was one of the most thoroughly vetted and experienced candidates for the job in modern history. Gavin will be a perfectly fine governor in terms of endorsing liberal things and resisting conservative things. The "problem", as has been articulated so well by others in this thread, is that he's not running because he thinks he's the best person for the job or because he has a grand vision for California, but because the Governorship is the next rung on his political ladder and by golly he is going to climb that ladder to the top. It's nakedly nothing more than a springboard to the presidency for him, which is kind of lovely and a differentiator from other candidates like Eastin or even the current reign of God Emperor MoonbeamTM who have a very clear vested interest in the well being of the state that extends beyond their own political aspirations.
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