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Vahakyla posted:20 years or med board. AIRBORNE
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I wonder how working logistics as a civilian is when compared to Army logistics.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:01
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Mustang posted:I wonder how working logistics as a civilian is when compared to Army logistics. I work for a Company purchesed by UPS. All I can say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Jun 5, 2018 22:05
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I had a dream that I walked into a recruiter office and some soon-to-be-boot told me the army wouldn't let me in because I had a beard. I don't know why I was there in the first place, because it sure wasn't to rejoin.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:18
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Viva Miriya posted:There we go.
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Jun 5, 2018 23:15
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Naked Bear posted:Uhh deployed Army is an order of magnitude better than garrison Army. Last frame pal.
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Jun 6, 2018 00:05
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Well I guess I start ETS leave in a month. I need to figure out how to clear.
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Jun 6, 2018 00:05
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start making any fixes to ERB Try to schedule your physicals asap clean your poo poo
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Jun 6, 2018 00:13
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mods change my name posted:start making any fixes to ERB Copy your medical and dental record.
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Jun 6, 2018 00:29
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Sooo... OSUT 11b/19x BCT is getting extended from 10 to 22 weeks? Did the Army just kill the split option, and ANY reserve component infantry? lol
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Jun 6, 2018 00:38
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Sooo... OSUT 11b/19x BCT is getting extended from 10 to 22 weeks? Did the Army just kill the split option, and ANY reserve component infantry? Look, recruiting and retention are down so we need to make this poo poo even worse.
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Jun 6, 2018 00:42
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lol TRADOC
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Jun 6, 2018 00:57
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Sooo... OSUT 11b/19x BCT is getting extended from 10 to 22 weeks? Did the Army just kill the split option, and ANY reserve component infantry? Why would that kill off reserve component infantry? BCT + MI MOS training is frequently 6 months to probably close to 2 years if you include time at DLI, and there are boatloads of RC MI units.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:02
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It's interesting that nearly every HHC commander or 1SG goes through a phase of trying to exert their dominance over the staff sections. It never seems to work. Trying to strong arm the staff is just going to cause the staff to find ways to either disregard or actively sabotage the HHC commander/1SG, making him or her look like an ineffective leader.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:10
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Now that I think about it, 19D OSUT when I went through was like 17 weeks anyway. Unless you're trying to say that AIT is being extended to 22 weeks?
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Jun 6, 2018 01:11
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:It had dropped to 14 weeks I think 19D is 16 weeks 19K is 15 weeks, 11B was 11. 11B is now extended to lol, 22 weeks. Double edit: gently caress edited my old post instead of making a new one. gently caress. Anyway LOL @ new 11b osut. Valtonen fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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Jun 6, 2018 01:12
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Mustang posted:It's interesting that nearly every HHC commander or 1SG goes through a phase of trying to exert their dominance over the staff sections. It never seems to work. The only way to get a good HHC command team is when they've already had their company time and it's a second command.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:21
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the first man takes the rifle, the second man takes the ammunition, then they practice this motion at the armory for 21 weeks. The other week is cleaning.
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McNally posted:Now that I think about it, 19D OSUT when I went through was like 17 weeks anyway. Unless you're trying to say that AIT is being extended to 22 weeks? It had dropped to 14 weeks I think https://www.army.mil/article/203228/army_to_extend_infantry_osut_to_bolster_soldier_lethality
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Jun 6, 2018 01:23
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:It had dropped to 14 weeks I think Where did you get the whole "from 10 to 22 weeks" thing from? You're so confused that it's confusing me.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:27
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I thought it had dropped all the way to 10, because there was a tweet talking about it like it applied to all of BCT (the tweet was incorrect) and that led me to post here and I thought that the first part of OSUT was also 10 weeks. 14 to 22 weeks is still nothing to sneeze at, though.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:31
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Mustang posted:It's interesting that nearly every HHC commander or 1SG goes through a phase of trying to exert their dominance over the staff sections. It never seems to work. It is a pretty stupid gambit to try in the first place since there are two staff officers (XO and S3) that already out rank you and have a better relationship with the BC. As a HHC commander the only time I had to mess with the staff beyond the basic Army poo poo (NCOERs/ranges/pt) was when one was just god awful at his job and I had to fix it. My company doesn’t even have an XO and it is still a pretty sham position. Let the staff do their day to day poo poo, make sure the TOC works, make sure DA requirements are done on time. Anything else is making additional work for yourself.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:35
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:I thought it had dropped all the way to 10, because there was a tweet talking about it like it applied to all of BCT (the tweet was incorrect) and that led me to post here and I thought that the first part of OSUT was also 10 weeks. Yea 22 weeks of osut is retarded long time to learn how to properly half-right face. Especially since the reasoning is so retarded- If they want to extend the training So that soldiers are ready to instantly join a unit in deployment why train them the TRADOC stuff that no field unit ever does? ”Oh, tradoc and real Army Arent the same? Well lets extend tradoc”
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Jun 6, 2018 01:35
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Valtonen posted:Yea 22 weeks of osut is retarded long time to learn how to properly half-right face. Especially since the reasoning is so retarded- If they want to extend the training So that soldiers are ready to instantly join a unit in deployment why train them the TRADOC stuff that no field unit ever does? ”Oh, tradoc and real Army Arent the same? Well lets extend tradoc” I did 20 week OSUT in 2004 as a MP, what the gently caress is the difference?
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Jun 6, 2018 01:37
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You know, you could improve "soldier lethality" by giving those soldiers some actual range time and a real ammo budget. Perhaps take into consideration that whole "we can't bring this ammo back; nobody goes home until we've expended all of it" followed six months later by "we had to drug deal with the next battalion over; here's some loose ammo in garbage bags" problem. I mean, if somebody's job is to kill people, then maybe you ought to give them training (like range time) so that they can git gud. For every fancy new doodad that DoD wants to throw money at, they could instead buy dump trucks full of ammo. Ammo is cheap... like really loving cheap. But hey, gently caress 'em, right?
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Jun 6, 2018 01:41
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Flikken posted:I did 20 week OSUT in 2004 as a MP, what the gently caress is the difference? That was 14 years ago. The future is now, old man.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:42
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:That was 14 years ago. The future is now, old man. Fuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccckkkkkkkkk................
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Jun 6, 2018 01:43
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Naked Bear posted:You know, you could improve "soldier lethality" by giving those soldiers some actual range time and a real ammo budget. Perhaps take into consideration that whole "we can't bring this ammo back; nobody goes home until we've expended all of it" followed six months later by "we had to drug deal with the next battalion over; here's some loose ammo in garbage bags" problem. I mean, if somebody's job is to kill people, then maybe you ought to give them training (like range time) so that they can git gud. For every fancy new doodad that DoD wants to throw money at, they could instead buy dump trucks full of ammo. Ammo is cheap... like really loving cheap. I shot more rounds on my own dime than when I was in the army, WHILE I was in the army. Some straight up bullshit that is.
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Jun 6, 2018 02:09
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Flikken posted:I did 20 week OSUT in 2004 as a MP, what the gently caress is the difference? MPs do OSUT? Not BCT +AIT? Because there is a world of difference.
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Jun 6, 2018 02:12
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Valtonen posted:MPs do OSUT? Not BCT +AIT? Because there is a world of difference. Yeppers.
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Mustang posted:It's interesting that nearly every HHC commander or 1SG goes through a phase of trying to exert their dominance over the staff sections. It never seems to work. Yeah that’s pretty much how it was at the last place I worked. The 1SG thought he was god, even though almost every staff section had an O6 and a SGM. He got promoted to CSM (lol), we had a change of command, and the new commander lets the sections basically run as their own mini-companies. It’s done wonders for morale. Naked Bear posted:Perhaps take into consideration that whole "we can't bring this ammo back; nobody goes home until we've expended all of it" followed six months later by "we had to drug deal with the next battalion over; here's some loose ammo in garbage bags" problem. This I don’t get. We just had a range, and our training NCO took all of our leftover ammo back to the ASP, and they took everything that was still sealed and logged it so we can use it next time. I’m not a logistics guy, is this standard protocol? Retrowave Joe fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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Jun 6, 2018 02:18
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Flikken posted:Yeppers. Lol.
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Yeah i used to eat lunch at the mp chow halls at Leonard wood. Those dudes do the whole "present fork, commence eating" poo poo it's mental. We didn't do poo poo like that for 19d
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:It is a pretty stupid gambit to try in the first place since there are two staff officers (XO and S3) that already out rank you and have a better relationship with the BC. As a HHC commander the only time I had to mess with the staff beyond the basic Army poo poo (NCOERs/ranges/pt) was when one was just god awful at his job and I had to fix it. My company doesn’t even have an XO and it is still a pretty sham position. Let the staff do their day to day poo poo, make sure the TOC works, make sure DA requirements are done on time. Anything else is making additional work for yourself. HHC commands in my BDE seem to all go to first time commanders that couldn't get a line command of whatever branch they are. I'm the only staff primary he outranks and it's noticeable in the way he interacts with me, ie telling me to come to his office because he wants to talk to me so I have to think of a way to tactfully say "no sir, if you have something you want to talk to me about right now YOU can come to MY office." And it's not like I'm always unavailable, there's multiple meetings throughout the week that have both commanders and staff primaries present, plus I go by each company once a week just to see if there's anything I can help them with. The other primaries (other than the S3 obviously) get treated like his peers, which I guess they actually are rankwise. 90% of the time I'm working on something directly for the BC, XO or S3. Eventually he's going to have to realize that there's never going to be a time where I immediately drop what I'm doing to talk to him about whatever the gently caress it is hes wants to see me about. It's definitely not readiness related, there's only 3 of us and green on everything.
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Mustang posted:Eventually he's going to have to realize that there's never going to be a time where I immediately drop what I'm doing to talk to him about whatever the gently caress it is hes wants to see me about. You're adorable. 
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Jun 6, 2018 02:40
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Between 1 LTC and 2 MAJs, HHC commander is a very distant 4th
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Jun 6, 2018 02:44
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Retardog posted:This I don’t get. We just had a range, and our training NCO took all of our leftover ammo back to the ASP, and they took everything that was still sealed and logged it so we can use it next time. I’m not a logistics guy, is this standard protocol?
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Jun 6, 2018 02:51
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They need more time so they can practice on the SNES M16 trainer
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Dude, we did that poo poo it was so bad, and the old like mechanical pinball table weird rear end ones
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Like I just remembered that like 1970 poo poo now for the first time since that one day in ~2003~
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