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What are thread thoughts on WMR vs Rift/Vive? I was planning on picking up a second hand Vive cheap once the Vive2 finally drops, but at $200 I'm sorely tempted.
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ItBreathes posted:What are thread thoughts on WMR vs Rift/Vive? I was planning on picking up a second hand Vive cheap once the Vive2 finally drops, but at $200 I'm sorely tempted. Easiest setup by far. Decent to try out, still gives you the majority of the experience. Software is annoying. Unacceptable if you're a serious nerd about VR, but if you are you'd have bought a headset already by now. Worth it overall I think.
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Jun 5, 2018 18:20
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CapnBry posted:Someone brought up that it would be great if VR wave shooters gave birth to VR rail shooters, which is something we don't see much of still. It would definitely make things more interesting to have some environment changes, but I'm not sure it will add much because you're still just standing in one place shooting dudes that come at you. Serious Sam The Last Hope (croteam's VR wave shooter thing) has a few maps where you're standing on a platform that moves around the map (lift, raft, floating rock..) and enemies walk and fly around the environment, and it literally feels like I'm playing a shmup like tyrian or r-type in VR and it's one of the best VR things out there, IMO. Wish we had more like that.
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Jun 5, 2018 19:09
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CapnBry posted:Someone brought up that it would be great if VR wave shooters gave birth to VR rail shooters, which is something we don't see much of still. It would definitely make things more interesting to have some environment changes, but I'm not sure it will add much because you're still just standing in one place shooting dudes that come at you. With progression through a series of locations, plus 360 degree levels, I'd think you could make some genuinely awesome moments. Looking forward to finally trying Arktika.1 some day.
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Jun 5, 2018 19:17
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Shadow225 posted:I am going to a VR cafe to try VR for the first time. They have the following games, which are worth playing? I only have a 30 minute slot, so I don't want to piddle around. I asked a while back for recs to try at a VR cafe in a 30 minute chunk. I opted to play the above. Overall, I thought that the tech was cool, but at this point in time I don't know that I saw anything that made me want to rush out a grab a headset. Mainly, I just wanted to say thank you for pointing me in the right direction with regards to the list such that I didn't waste my time with trash. 
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Jun 5, 2018 20:19
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Shadow225 posted:I asked a while back for recs to try at a VR cafe in a 30 minute chunk. I opted to play the above. Overall, I thought that the tech was cool, but at this point in time I don't know that I saw anything that made me want to rush out a grab a headset. Mainly, I just wanted to say thank you for pointing me in the right direction with regards to the list such that I didn't waste my time with trash. Glad you had fun! Keep in mind though the selection they had to choose from doesn't really represent almost any of the cream of the crop games out there for VR (baring beat saber, though its still only a rhythm game). Most of those are almost launch titles from 2016, and very very casual experience. Not to say any of them are bad, just a shame the arcade didn't really have anything more substantial to demo.
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Jun 5, 2018 20:38
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https://twitter.com/Oculus_Dev/status/1004052948614373376?s=19 OC5 details, I'll be there winning Echo Arena world finals if anyone is going and wants to say hi
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Jun 5, 2018 20:44
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Looks like we're getting Moss, which was pretty well reviewed: https://twitter.com/oculus/status/1004091317255671808
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Jun 5, 2018 21:26
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Lemming posted:Easiest setup by far. Decent to try out, still gives you the majority of the experience. Software is annoying. Unacceptable if you're a serious nerd about VR, but if you are you'd have bought a headset already by now. Worth it overall I think. What are the unacceptable parts for serious-about-VR folks? I don't have any VR right now, but have been shopping around and considering a Samsung Odyssey in addition to Rift/Vive.
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Jun 5, 2018 21:57
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plester1 posted:What are the unacceptable parts for serious-about-VR folks? I don't have any VR right now, but have been shopping around and considering a Samsung Odyssey in addition to Rift/Vive. The tracking and comfort on the controllers is really rough when you need finesse. You can't move them very far out of your field of view (which means games where you grab something from your hip, you need to look down to do it), and the feel is so bad that using them for any length of time gets frustrating because it should just... be better. Occlusion can be a problem as well if you line up your hands with your face. The headsets themselves are also fairly uncomfortable, and the cheaper ones (non-Odyssey) don't even have IPD adjustment, which means if you aren't close to the average it'll cause additional strain on your eyes and look worse. Unless you're like super cash strapped, if you spend a decent amount of time in VR the upgrade to a Rift or Vive would be super worth it. FWIW I have a Vive, Rift, and Odyssey.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:21
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plester1 posted:What are the unacceptable parts for serious-about-VR folks? I don't have any VR right now, but have been shopping around and considering a Samsung Odyssey in addition to Rift/Vive. Its not nearly bad enough to sour someone if its their only exposure to VR, but whenever I use one I just want to rip the thing off and go back to my Vive. I think the real use case for them is a businessperson plugging them into a laptop to do VR presentations on the road and for that they're amazing, but I don't think they make particularly good gaming HMDs. Exception maybe being the screen on the Samsung one being so nice that if you were to exclusively play simulators maaaaybe that would be fine, for the price though I think you'd be better served with a Rift or Vive.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:32
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Lemming posted:FWIW I have a Vive, Rift, and Odyssey. Thanks, that's a super helpful post. Any opinions or recommendations between Rift and Vive? I've tried both briefly but haven't spent that much time in VR. A few things about my situation: I'm a glasses wearer, I won't have a ton of space for moving around, and I am often prone to motion sickness, although I've never actually been sick in VR. I've got a PC with a 1070ti, and am mostly interested in gaming stuff like Skyrim, Superhot, Elite, etc.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:45
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plester1 posted:Thanks, that's a super helpful post. Any opinions or recommendations between Rift and Vive? I've tried both briefly but haven't spent that much time in VR. I would not personally recommend the Odyssey over the Rift or the Vive because I personally find the controllers unacceptably bad and the headset itself is significantly less comfortable than the Rift or the Vive, and the higher resolution doesn't make up for the difference. As far as Rift vs Vive, I personally think they're close enough overall in terms of experience and cost that I would say you should try both and choose whichever one you happen to like better. If you can't do that at all, then overall I'd say get a Rift. It's a little more annoying to get a well tracked setup (realistically you'll want 3 sensors, mounted on the ceiling pointing down), but the controllers are significantly better and the headset is more comfortable and the optics are better. They can be a little rough on glasses wearers though (I don't wear glasses so I can't comment on that personally, but I have heard the Vive is easier to fit them into). I personally only use my Rift at this point.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:58
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Lemming posted:Looks like we're getting Moss, which was pretty well reviewed: Moss is great. Little bit on the short side though.
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Jun 5, 2018 23:03
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veni veni veni posted:Moss is great. Little bit on the short side though. Actually his name is Quill
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Jun 5, 2018 23:04
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ItBreathes posted:What are thread thoughts on WMR vs Rift/Vive? I was planning on picking up a second hand Vive cheap once the Vive2 finally drops, but at $200 I'm sorely tempted. My only other experience with VR is Daydream and Oculus Rift Dev Kit 1, but I'm enjoying Windows Mixed Reality. Really immersive, the roomscale has worked well, though I can see why people would be annoyed with the controller tracking being less than Vive or the Rift - though I still think it's worth the $200-$300 savings.
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Jun 5, 2018 23:14
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I've found the Odyssey is great for seated stuff. The visuals are somewhat ahead of Vive/Rift and really bring vehicle sims to life. It is bizarrely uncomfortable though, how did that get past really anyone at samsung?
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Jun 5, 2018 23:14
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plester1 posted:A few things about my situation: I'm a glasses wearer, Just as a heads up, regardless of which you get, you'll probably benefit from getting a lens adapter. They can be found on Thingiverse and printed however you find convenient, they you buy some cheap lenses from Zenni and pop 'em in. Example for Rift
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Jun 5, 2018 23:19
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Lemming posted:Actually his name is Quill  It's a she though
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Jun 5, 2018 23:30
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veni veni veni posted:
Turns out I am the one who is owned
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Jun 5, 2018 23:39
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It's nice to see more high quality titles coming to PC VR. It's less nice to see them hardware gated (reVIve nonwithstanding). Hopefully someone at Facebook can sweet talk some parties into getting VR RE7 (or whatever the latest one was) and Ace Combat 7's VR mode ported to PC as well.
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Jun 5, 2018 23:46
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Its probably coming to SteamVR also, the HTC account has been tweeting at them
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Jun 5, 2018 23:53
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Please strike 35% of the disgruntlement from my previous post from the record.
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Jun 5, 2018 23:56
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So why wasn't it named Mossflower? I can't help but think a licensing deal fell through on that title.
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Jun 6, 2018 00:52
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Warbird posted:Ace Combat 7's VR mode ported to PC as well. Project Wingman is planning on VR support, btw. e: trailer: https://youtu.be/0zrh1dF7YMs VR demonstration: https://youtu.be/CXpqQe6kT_s PerrineClostermann fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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Jun 6, 2018 04:17
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I’ve wanted to CUM HISTORIA in VR for years.
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Jun 6, 2018 04:19
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CapnBry posted:VR rail shooters I would throw money at a game porting arcade rail shooters to VR or a legitimate time crisis VR
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Jun 6, 2018 04:34
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I upgraded my ProTube to carbon fibre tubes and magtube handles. Assembly cost me a blood sacrifice but it's a great improvement for hand freedom. I'd have normally swung the whole thing around to point the controller where I'd like to teleport to, now it's trivial to just detach a hand to point. I've also started using the tube as a holder for the controllers when I need to free a hand for something, where I'd normally have let them dangle from the straps.
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Jun 6, 2018 12:07
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I've had my Vive for a couple weeks now and have been having a lot of fun with it, but most of the games I've been playing have been short 1-2 hour "experiences" like The Lab, simulators like H3VR, or repetitive games like Beat Saber. These are all great games, but I've been looking for something longer to sink my teeth into. Other than Fallout 4 VR and Skyrim VR, are there just not that many big games available for VR? It doesn't have to be as expansive as Skyrim, but I'd like to have something in VR that I can easily put 15+ hours into.
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Jun 6, 2018 13:45
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Spoggerific posted:I've had my Vive for a couple weeks now and have been having a lot of fun with it, but most of the games I've been playing have been short 1-2 hour "experiences" like The Lab, simulators like H3VR, or repetitive games like Beat Saber. These are all great games, but I've been looking for something longer to sink my teeth into. Other than Fallout 4 VR and Skyrim VR, are there just not that many big games available for VR? It doesn't have to be as expansive as Skyrim, but I'd like to have something in VR that I can easily put 15+ hours into. No VR-original games are that long because money, but Talos Principle VR should have more than fifteen hours in it if you're into that sort of thing.
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Jun 6, 2018 13:55
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NRVNQSR posted:No VR-original games are that long because money, but Talos Principle VR should have more than fifteen hours in it if you're into that sort of thing. Minor sidenote, but what I'd wager you're probably likely to see out of bigger studios in the next few years is the inclusion of playing in VR as an option, like Payday 2.
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Jun 6, 2018 14:00
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Talos Principle is a good puzzle game If you feel confident in your VR sickness not sinking in, experiencing the Serious Sam collection in VR is cool and good, and you can play co-op with your flat friends. The whole croteam collection goes on sale regularly. Payday 2 is also in this category. fake edit: Neddy Seagoon posted:Minor sidenote, but what I'd wager you're probably likely to see out of bigger studios in the next few years is the inclusion of playing in VR as an option, like Payday 2. Yeah that's what I'm hoping. I'd love to play games with friends, but most don't have a room to spare for room scale, and many of the fun games kinda need at least enough space to sidestep some projectiles or so if you want to not be completely useless compared to flatters.
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Jun 6, 2018 14:12
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Truga posted:Yeah that's what I'm hoping. I'd love to play games with friends, but most don't have a room to spare for room scale, and many of the fun games kinda need at least enough space to sidestep some projectiles or so if you want to not be completely useless compared to flatters. I'm really looking forward to e3 this year (aside from the usual round of big-hype titles and surprises), because we're just getting out the first year since the Vive and Oculus really got released. If you've had a look at any console that wasn't the Nintendo Switch for the past decade or two, now's the time we should start seeing a decent quantity of titles from the big developers.
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Jun 6, 2018 14:24
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I'm not opposed to VR ports or VR/flatscreen cross-"platform" games as long as they're done decently well, like Skyrim VR appears to be. The only reason I haven't bought that yet is because I'm on very edge of minimum requirements for VR; I have a 1060 and an i5-4570, a processor from over 4 years ago. I haven't run into any problems with what I've played so far, but I'm afraid something like Skyrim might be too much for my current rig. I have Payday 2 and the VR port looked good for the 30 minutes or so I messed around with it. I like how VR players can shoot while interacting with drills and other objects. I'll check out Talos Principle too.
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Jun 6, 2018 14:25
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Spoggerific posted:I'm not opposed to VR ports or VR/flatscreen cross-"platform" games as long as they're done decently well, like Skyrim VR appears to be. The only reason I haven't bought that yet is because I'm on very edge of minimum requirements for VR; I have a 1060 and an i5-4570, a processor from over 4 years ago. I haven't run into any problems with what I've played so far, but I'm afraid something like Skyrim might be too much for my current rig. To my knowledge you'd be fine with a 1060 and i5 for Skyrim. It's not nearly as demanding as FO4. Also you can add mods to make it more performant if you have any issues.
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Jun 6, 2018 14:39
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Spoggerific posted:I've had my Vive for a couple weeks now and have been having a lot of fun with it, but most of the games I've been playing have been short 1-2 hour "experiences" like The Lab, simulators like H3VR, or repetitive games like Beat Saber. These are all great games, but I've been looking for something longer to sink my teeth into. Other than Fallout 4 VR and Skyrim VR, are there just not that many big games available for VR? It doesn't have to be as expansive as Skyrim, but I'd like to have something in VR that I can easily put 15+ hours into. El Grillo posted:Here are some of the big ones: ...also, Chronos was the longest early VR game, it's gamepad only but still a good one with some great VR tricks.
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Spoggerific posted:I've had my Vive for a couple weeks now and have been having a lot of fun with it, but most of the games I've been playing have been short 1-2 hour "experiences" like The Lab, simulators like H3VR, or repetitive games like Beat Saber. These are all great games, but I've been looking for something longer to sink my teeth into. Other than Fallout 4 VR and Skyrim VR, are there just not that many big games available for VR? It doesn't have to be as expansive as Skyrim, but I'd like to have something in VR that I can easily put 15+ hours into. You could take a look at Mage's Tale, its a dungeon crawl RPG, ~10 hours in length, with a ton of secrets, spell combinations, and some gorgeous dungeons. You may want to also look into setting up revive and checking out some of the stuff on the Oculus store, as that is generally where you're going to find more of the longer and polished single player experiences. Check out Lone Echo, a story based, beautiful sci fi game thats ~8 hours to complete (depending on how fast you are, how much you go hunting for optional stuff), and while obviously no 2 peoples opinions are the same, its not only what I consider the best VR game I've played, but one of the best games I've played in the last 10 years. It uses a zero gravity locomotion based on grabbing and pushing off the environment. If you want to test it out, try Echo Arena, the multiplayer component to it, as its free (and a great multiplayer game in its own right) and uses all the same movement styles. Chronos is a 3rd person action RPG, and one of the longer games, at probably 10-12 hours to finish. You need a gamepad to play this as its almost more like a dark souls thing, which may sound odd for VR, but its really wonderful with the scale and beauty within VR. Wilson's Heart is an adventure game, but very straight forward, almost more like an interactive movie, and has some faults. Its still a single player experience I really enjoyed with the style and world thats built up, a love letter to black and white horror movies, with some marvelous set pieces. Its probably about a ~6 hour game to finish, but if a single player story is what you're looking for, its something to consider. Arktika.1 is a shooter by the developers of the metro series, so it looks gorgeous, and is fairly long single player game (again, for VR) of 6-8 hours. Theres a ton of guns, and upgrades, mods and such you can invest into, secrets to find, challenges that give you more upgrade points if you want to replay levels and try for them. It got flack for its locomotion, which is teleport only, but its a very polished and solid game, that aside. Edge of Nowhere This is a bit shorter, probably 5 hours max, and its a 3rd person stealth action game. It is however one of my favorites, and is all a big fantastic homage to Lovecraft stories, maybe not worth it at full price, if you're not into the idea of 3rd person games in VR, but something to keep in mind if that Lovecraft setting appeals to you and its on sale. This isn't so much single player story based, though it certainly is fully playable single player, but if you're a fan of FTL From Other Suns is basically a first person straight up VR remake of FTL. Roguelike elements, every run is different, you're traveling to get home, being chased, each stop is something random, but where it becomes more thatn FTL is boarding enemy ships, beaming off to stations fro random missions, repelling borders, etc, where it becomes a shooter with a bunch of different random weapons with random stats, so you get a bit of that item hunting fulfillment.
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Jun 6, 2018 15:16
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'm really looking forward to e3 this year (aside from the usual round of big-hype titles and surprises), because we're just getting out the first year since the Vive and Oculus really got released. If you've had a look at any console that wasn't the Nintendo Switch for the past decade or two, now's the time we should start seeing a decent quantity of titles from the big developers. Yeah I think theres going to be a lot to see, even just whats already been hinted and shown a bit, theres that VR game from Respawn coming out next year I'm sure we'll finally see some details on, Insomniac just teased a few days ago some new open world VR game, there will likely be some more info on that spy adventure that was teased back at GDC, that Marvel VR game has been radio silent since october of last year, Echo Combat is coming, as well as possibly teases of a sequel or something to Lone Echo. Not to mention smaller stuff coming like Windlands 2, Pavlov's battle royale offshoot, Vox machinae, and more.
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Jun 6, 2018 15:26
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Edison was a dick posted:I upgraded my ProTube to carbon fibre tubes and magtube handles. Yesssss, CF magtube supremacy! I just got the latest carbon fibre prototype magtube cups the other day and played some stand out with them last night and it’s a thing of beauty. The previous magtube prototype cups were quite a bit heavier but still so good compared to normal methods, now it’s just like butter.
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rage-saq posted:Yesssss, CF magtube supremacy! I just got the latest carbon fibre prototype magtube cups the other day and played some stand out with them last night and it’s a thing of beauty. The previous magtube prototype cups were quite a bit heavier but still so good compared to normal methods, now it’s just like butter. Guys with the new magtubes, are you using Touch controllers or Vive controllers? I got a knockoff stock and it works well with Vive controllers but just doesn't seem to work well for me with touch controllers.
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Jun 6, 2018 16:09
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