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Pener Kropoopkin posted:you wouldn't download a car... I'd download a car
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self unaware posted:ripoff products are good If you think the companies selling fake designer crap are noble Robin Hoods you're out of your mind. Americans watch too many mobster movies. Thug Lessons fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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Jun 6, 2018 21:42
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I bet the labor conditions in the illegal knockoff handbag factory are great.
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Jun 6, 2018 21:45
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i may not like this designer handbag, but I'll fight to the death for the right of Kering S.A. to brand it as Gucci
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Jun 6, 2018 21:45
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Thug Lessons posted:If you think the companies selling fake design crap are noble Robin Hoods you're out of your mind. Americans watch too many mobster movies. I never said they were but feel free to keep trying to put words in people's mouths since you clearly can't understand the posts.
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Jun 6, 2018 21:46
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:i may not like this designer handbag, but I'll fight to the death for the right of Kering S.A. to brand it as Gucci No I'll explicitly fight for the shithead Chinese "entrepreneur" to rip it off and claim this is ownage, the little guy finally sticking it to moneybags. I also thought the guy in Wolf of Wall Street was a hero.
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Jun 6, 2018 21:47
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self unaware posted:I never said they were but feel free to keep trying to put words in people's mouths since you clearly can't understand the posts. Well, you didn't bother explaining yourself, you just said it was ownage. Maybe if you'd said something of substance I wouldn't have mischaracterized your (doubtlessly brilliant) position.
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Jun 6, 2018 21:49
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Chinese entrepreneur selling fancy bags: shithead, not ownage american entrepreneur selling fancy bags: has a patent, owning, not shithead surely this is about the underlying issues and not your deep seeded racism towards the Chinese people Thug Lessons posted:Well, you didn't bother explaining yourself, you just said it was ownage. Maybe if you'd said something of substance I wouldn't have mischaracterized your (doubtlessly brilliant) position. why would I need to explain myself when everyone except for you can understand?
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Jun 6, 2018 21:49
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Le good guy capitalist making epic fake jordans
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Jun 6, 2018 21:49
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plz stop this d&d poo poo
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Jun 6, 2018 21:49
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Revisionists buy shoes too -Michael Jordan
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Jun 6, 2018 21:50
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patents and others intellectual property are fuckiung bitcoins. it isnt real, ip exists for exactly as long as people think it existys. You're absolutely correct in being terrified of china 'not enforcing the spiript of I/p! it is at this exact point when empires cease to enforce patent rights, that patents themselves cease to exist as commodities to be owned and traded for other crpital. All that crap, all those buttcoins, disappear into the aether from which they sprung the base unit instant the nodes, the capitalists cease to acknowledge they're existance
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Jun 6, 2018 21:50
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GalacticAcid posted:Revisionists buy shoes too
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Jun 6, 2018 21:50
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self unaware posted:Chinese entrepreneur selling fancy bags: shithead, not ownage No actually it's the opposite. This is leftism. Deciding which country's capitalists are ownsauce, extra points for being corrupt as poo poo.
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Jun 6, 2018 21:50
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patents are capital
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Jun 6, 2018 21:51
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also gently caress you
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Jun 6, 2018 21:51
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Thug Lessons posted:No actually it's the opposite. This is leftism. Deciding which country's capitalists are ownsauce, extra points for being corrupt as poo poo. I didn't say the people doing it were some kind of moral paragons (like you keep implying) I'm saying that the act of undermining western brands who sell their goods at 10000x markup is a good thing, whoever does it.
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Jun 6, 2018 21:52
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lollontee posted:patents and others intellectual property are fuckiung bitcoins. it isnt real, ip exists for exactly as long as people think it existys. You're absolutely correct in being terrified of china 'not enforcing the spiript of I/p! it is at this exact point when empires cease to enforce patent rights, that patents themselves cease to exist as commodities to be owned and traded for other crpital. All that crap, all those buttcoins, disappear into the aether from which they sprung the base unit instant the nodes, the capitalists cease to acknowledge they're existance Powerful stuff my man. Raise the fist for the Chinese bootleggers selling fake Bapes.
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Jun 6, 2018 21:53
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Thug Lessons posted:Powerful stuff my man. Raise the fist for the Chinese bootleggers selling fake Bapes. gently caress you
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Jun 6, 2018 21:53
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Lenin made a patent system, which is what I tell myself to justify my existence
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Jun 6, 2018 21:55
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self unaware posted:I didn't say the people doing it were some kind of moral paragons (like you keep implying) Maybe in some sense, but you could just as easily argue it's just furthering mindless consumerism.
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Jun 6, 2018 21:55
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Jun 6, 2018 21:56
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That Tyler, The Creator tweet about cyberbullying, but with the words Intellectual Property instead
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Jun 6, 2018 21:57
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Thug Lessons posted:No actually it's the opposite. This is leftism. Deciding which country's capitalists are ownsauce, extra points for being corrupt as poo poo. rudatron posted:I'm stating a fact, not passing judgement. It's the logical thing for China to do, which is why they're doing it. But they're not doing it for humanitarian reasons. Pener Kropoopkin posted:neither were the companies who developed that technology, so why do you care? This discussion was only ever about why stealing technology is good. Literally nobody argued that it's good for that technology to be exploited through a capitalist mode of production, and we established the moral equivalency between capital interests here before you stuck your big nose ITT.
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Jun 6, 2018 21:57
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Thug Lessons posted:Maybe in some sense, but you could just as easily argue it's just furthering mindless consumerism. I'd put that more on the western firms buying millions in ads to push their garbage overpriced products. People by fake Gucci bags because of Gucci marketing(they want the name and not the price), not because Chinese bootleggers are creating a great product and marketing it. The bootlegger wouldn't even be there if the demand didn't exist. really in general, calling bootleggers "shitheads" just because they don't respect western ip laws is pretty racist/questionable imo
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Jun 6, 2018 21:58
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:This discussion was only ever about why stealing technology is good. Literally nobody argued that it's good for that technology to be exploited through a capitalist mode of production, and we established the moral equivalency between capital interests here before you stuck your big nose ITT. He got triggered by nobody hating the Chinese
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Jun 6, 2018 21:59
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:This discussion was only ever about why stealing technology is good. Literally nobody argued that it's good for that technology to be exploited through a capitalist mode of production, and we established the moral equivalency between capital interests here before you stuck your big nose ITT. I never responded to Rudatron, I responded to WJ. I clarified what I was talking about. I don't necessarily agree with Ruda, though he's definitely closer to reality than y'all are.
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Jun 6, 2018 22:01
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the best part about that arduino dude getting butthurt is that his kit costs more than twice if you bought it from china directly. Like, exact same kits have already existed for a much cheaper price. The only difference is...... he made a nice box. and uhhhhh, instructions..... Hell, I'd go as far as saying that he stole the kit idea from the chinese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! holy moley!
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Jun 6, 2018 22:03
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lol rudatron is extremely stupid
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I'd download a car 
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Jun 6, 2018 22:05
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Thug Lessons posted:I never responded to Rudatron, I responded to WJ. I clarified what I was talking about. I don't necessarily agree with Ruda, though he's definitely closer to reality than y'all are. this doesn’t even make sense. are you trying to say we should be worried about Chinese interests stealing American technology because it undermines American hegemony?
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Jun 6, 2018 22:06
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self unaware posted:I'd put that more on the western firms buying millions in ads to push their garbage overpriced products. People by fake Gucci bags because of Gucci marketing(they want the name and not the price), not because Chinese bootleggers are creating a great product and marketing it. The bootlegger wouldn't even be there if the demand didn't exist. I would argue that bootleg designer goods actually reinforce conspicuous consumption. No one is actually fooled when you or me buys a fake designer product, because everyone knows we never would have been able to buy it in the first place. It's out of our price range. Ripoffs just encourage people to believe in the superior quality of designer products even though everyone already knows they're a pure status symbol, an expression of the money you can spend, rather than having any unique aesthetic or practical value. I call Chinese bootleggers shitheads because it matches my experience with extremely sketchy "small business owners" who don't give a poo poo about the law. Feel free to believe it's racism though.
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Jun 6, 2018 22:07
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Ok racist, now stop posting
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Jun 6, 2018 22:08
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:this doesn’t even make sense. are you trying to say we should be worried about Chinese interests stealing American technology because it undermines American hegemony? Nope.
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Jun 6, 2018 22:08
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Hello i would like to file a complaint with the corporate ethics national doodaa deparment. what is your complaint sir? someone stole my product and is trying to sell it as their own. Here, is my product, here is their's. They just changed the name. can you believe it! Okay sir. did you design or manufacture anything in the kit? Well, no. I didn't Do you have any patent protecting the kit? Well, no. It's actually open sourced. Interesting, so what did you do? Well, I designed the box. You see! the box! Right here! And I put the stuff in the box! See these little pockets, i put the stuff in there! It's mine! I made it! WHY IS NOBODY LISTENING TO ME Sir, please excuse yourself
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Jun 6, 2018 22:12
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Thug Lessons posted:I would argue that bootleg designer goods actually reinforce conspicuous consumption. No one is actually fooled when you or me buys a fake designer product, because everyone knows we never would have been able to buy it in the first place. It's out of our price range. Ripoffs just encourage people to believe in the superior quality of designer products even though everyone already knows they're a pure status symbol, an expression of the money you can spend, rather than having any unique aesthetic or practical value. People who buy ripoff products understand that the use value is the same between a fully priced officially branded merchandise and its equivalent knockoff.
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Jun 6, 2018 22:12
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Thug Lessons posted:I call Chinese bootleggers shitheads because it matches my experience with extremely sketchy "small business owners" who don't give a poo poo about the law. Feel free to believe it's racism though. yeah I'm going to say if you're calling out a group of people by their race and then using a sweeping stereotype based on what I can only assume is your experience with American small business owners... seems a bit racist
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Jun 6, 2018 22:12
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How dare you stereotype textile factory owners
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Jun 6, 2018 22:13
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:People who buy ripoff products understand that the use value is the same between a fully priced officially branded merchandise and its equivalent knockoff. That's not even true lol. Knockoffs are generally even less durable than what you'd get at Sears, and fall apart immediately, let alone designer quality. That's why they're so cheap. The only "use value" you're buying is getting to pretend you own a Louis Vuitton.
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Thug Lessons posted:That's not even true lol. Knockoffs are generally even less durable than what you'd get at Sears, and fall apart immediately, let alone designer quality. That's why they're so cheap. So you just buy a new piece of poo poo. It would still be cheaper in the long run than buying the real deal. If you just followed fashion trends the lifespan of a knockoff handbag would be about as much as its seasonal lifespan anyway.
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