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Ilor posted:Because the Balkenkreuz was a symbol of Germany long before its descent into fascism. So? Swastikas were a symbol of something else long before its adoption by Nazi's. That doesn't change the current perception of swastikas. Giant Isopod posted:Nah, I'm going to disagree with that. Anyone who puts period German iconography on their 40k models has exactly one intention This guy gets it.
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Giant Isopod posted:Nah, I'm going to disagree with that. Anyone who puts period German iconography on their 40k models has exactly one intention Precisely. They make no sense in the settling. Someone with 40k models painted that way is sending a signal which ought to be understand as "I'm not someone you ever want to talk or associate with."
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FWIW, swastikas and SS insignias very rarely actually appeared on actual nazi vehicles. Luftwaffe airplanes might have a swastika on the tail, and a swastika will appear on an occasional flag that's draped over a vehicle (as an aircraft recognition device.) I generally try to keep my markings fairly accurate, and I've never had to paint a swastika on any of my Germans. I have a Ju 87 bomber that should have one on the tail. I haven't painted it yet, but I have complicated feelings regarding it. On the one hand, leaving it off essentially divorces the motive from the means. It becomes a cool airplane without any baggage, and that really feels like I'm white-washing the past. On the other hand, the symbol is still toxic today. lovely people still revere it, and it's still used to victimize and intimidate people. I don't want to participate in perpetuating that. Whenever I do paint the bomber, I'll probably use the decal - but heavily deface it through weathering. It's an idea I'm stealing from another goon, who did something similar by creatively folding the flag on his tank - the symbol is implied for historical reasons, but not explicit for social (and so many other) reasons. That seems like ther most tasteful compromise. Those Nazi orks can gently caress off though. There's absolutely nothing cool about importing that iconography.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:So? Swastikas were a symbol of something else long before its adoption by Nazi's. That doesn't change the current perception of swastikas. Nobody gets their panties in a twist at seeing a white star on a Sherman or a red star on a T-34. But I agree that historical iconography (of really any kind) on a sci-fi vehicle is kind of  This is occasionally complicated somewhat by GW itself, however; the Valhallan IG line was very much patterned after the Soviet Red Army. One of the posters in this thread has a sweet winter Valhallan army that (IIRC) has red stars on the Chimeras/Leman Russes. Given the obvious nod of the Valhallan aesthetic, is that "out of place?" I dunno, but I could see the argument.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:So? Swastikas were a symbol of something else long before its adoption by Nazi's. That doesn't change the current perception of swastikas. I think maybe you thought I was talking about an Iron Cross on 40k models? I was only talking about historical games/players. Any real world German/Nazi symbols on 40k is right loving out and always refuse to play that person,.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Why do you think the balkenkreuz is fine but SS and swastikas are not? That's why you use the Surfer's Cross: 
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The Sex Cannon posted:i need more of this it's like none of these chucklefucks listened to our multiple episodes on Why Nazis Are Bad Ilor posted:Are you talking about using a Balkenkreuz for historical games, or out of context in something like 40K? Because those are two very different things. That's me! I liked the Red Army theme of the minis and I put red stars on a bunch of vehicles, and they have graffiti saying stuff like "Crush the fascists!" and so on in Google Translated Russian. I made a point to avoid any actual hammers and sickles, although the IG tank transfer sheet has a sickle on it so I used that icon a bit. Looking back, it's probably a bit too on the nose.   When I've done more vehicles for the army I've avoided any of the faux Russian text because that was probably a bit much. I think at this point, with a better understanding of history and context than I had when I was ~21, I'd probably cut back a bit on the graffiti and red stars but keep the overall color scheme. The Sex Cannon posted:East coast is rad. We have:
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Ilor posted:Are you talking about using a Balkenkreuz for historical games, or out of context in something like 40K? Because those are two very different things. I have far less of a problem with US stars or even Soviet stars than Nazi iconography. Even though the US (Jim Crow, pre-Civil Rights) and USSR (Stalin, gulags) had real problems, at least they weren't drat Nazis. Edit: Nice work on those, SRM.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:So? Swastikas were a symbol of something else long before its adoption by Nazi's. That doesn't change the current perception of swastikas. I wouldn't be super bothered by a Shitenno inspired design with a Swastika unless the owner was being super weird.
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Did this Wow, this really does look like a viper. The weathering here is fantastic, the streaks give a cool impression of something that goes really fast and gets battered with stuff.
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I feel like we could use a thread just for posting all the terrible nerd poo poo that all the TG threads collectively come across, because this comes up in most of the threads I read here. Also it'd prevent me having to bookmark all the lol's or try to scroll through multiple pages to find it. If there's any interest beyond me I could throw one together.
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Jun 7, 2018 17:28
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The Best of the Worst model thread is pretty much that already.
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Fires of Cyraxus release "Not Imminent". Wrap it up, Mechanicailures. 
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So what knight house do you think would work for a SHD of armigers? 2 of each is what I'm planning on. Using them to tank hunt while vanilla marines or deathwatch do infantry killing.
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Whichever one rerolls 1s against the closest unit I'd guess.
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Schadenboner posted:Fires of Cyraxus release "Not Imminent".
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Whichever one rerolls 1s against the closest unit I'd guess. Vulker does look fun yeah.
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Fires of Cyraxus is a 40k release.  The story behind that is that it was written with 7th edition in mind and they weren't told poo poo all about 8th edition. The writer, Andy Hoare, became the head of Specialist Games and handed the book off to the FW writing team. It simply hasn't been re-written for 8th yet because they're too busy porting custodes to 40k or some poo poo.
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Did this This is so slick. The green accent is doing a lot of good work here. But holy guacamole that weather is incredible and makes the entire model pop. 10/10 would pilot against heresy.  Taken from Reddit. Airbrushing is so cool. Also the glass is chrome. I didn't even notice at first because of the white background.I think it's a bit much but excited to see how it looks finished.
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Did this Actually I think you'll find aircraft are part of the Chapter Armoury and, as such, it's inappropriate to display one with Company markings? 
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chutche2 posted:I saw a guy recently with an imperial guard army that had tanks done up in an Afrika Korps scheme with some balkankruezes on the tanks and was weirded out by it but he didn't do any other kind of pro-nazi signaling so it wasn't a dealbreaker. To some degree I understand the admiration of Rommel as a military historical figure and the Afrika Corps as a force, but Rommel was still a monster more than happy to use Hitler as a conduit for power in spite of the atrocities, and the Afrika Corps were still fighting on behalf of the Nazi regime. I can tolerate the borrowing of styling from the Afrika Corps, the cross is too far.
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mango sentinel posted:I can tolerate the borrowing of styling from the Afrika Corps, the cross is too far. There's very little that the Afrika Korps offers that you couldn't cover with another WWII desert army, like the British 8th Army. I'd even argue that the 8th Army offers more, like cool camouflage schemes: 
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Schadenboner posted:Fires of Cyraxus release "Not Imminent". The race is on - will FW manage to release their already announced book before GW remembers Ad Mech exist and decide to make some new models for them?
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Back when I played World of Tanks and allchat existed announcing at the start of the match that Rommel was a war criminal was a surefire way to get the wehraboos worked up.
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Has anyone experimented with putting terminator heads on either the gravis captain or primaris aggressors? While we're at it, has anyone taken inceptor blast shields and stuck them on flamer aggressors to make hellbats? The Badcast is giving me ideas but I want to see pics before I go ham buying bits. Google is turning up nothing for me.
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Painted my first model in a year: Played a game on a 2x4 board. My popsicle-stick bridge actually worked out okay:  It has been SOOO LONG since I've gamed or modelled, getting back into it full-force, built and painte that graveyard kit, both hills in that photo, and Farsight above in the last 3 weeks. Have two huge scenery pieces built and ready to prime, built my Ghostkeel and a Coldstar Commander in the last week, played like 4 games on that mini table. I'm enjoying 8th. It's definitely faster, although I miss vehicle facing?
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Legendary Ptarmigan posted:Has anyone experimented with putting terminator heads on either the gravis captain or primaris aggressors? While we're at it, has anyone taken inceptor blast shields and stuck them on flamer aggressors to make hellbats? That's a great idea
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Schadenboner posted:Was tactics the 1/35 one or the 1/48 one? IIRC they released two games in the same IP with extremely similar names and scales so I'm perma- I think they were both 1:48, but the buildings look good with anything from 28mm - 32mm. The vehicles and figures look way too big to be practical with most other lines, though.
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w/r/t that.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:If something terrible happens and I somehow end up playing WW2 games, I'm definitely breaking out my giant backlog of Ultramarine transfers. It's either this or googly eyes.
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Im going to paint a swastika on a blight-hauler's butthole
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:That's a great idea (aggressor firebats) I do not claim to be its originator. SRM mentioned it on the Badcast recently and it's been bouncing around the internet for a while. I may spend $100 and take the plunge to do it anyhow.
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Fake James posted:Im going to paint a swastika on a blight-hauler's butthole Do they come with buttholes or do you have to make the butthole first?
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They’re fully sculpted with a spiky mechanical buttehole
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Good, most models would be improved with a fully sculpted butthole.
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Did this Dude, looking great, what process do you use for weathering?
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Uroboros posted:Dude, looking great, what process do you use for weathering? Thanks man! Process is to sponge on some of the base blue/green around the transfers, and then use a brush to chip the edges of them a bit further. Next sponge skavenblight dinge and leadbelcher onto the relevant edges and corners. Then brush on the scratches with leadbelcher, and some typhus corrosion in select recesses and the rivets. Also stippled some black around the exhausts.
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Thanks man! Process is to sponge on some of the base blue/green around the transfers, and then use a brush to chip the edges of them a bit further. Next sponge skavenblight dinge and leadbelcher onto the relevant edges and corners. Then brush on the scratches with leadbelcher, and some typhus corrosion in select recesses and the rivets. Also stippled some black around the exhausts. I need a video to watch or something, I've been really hesitant to weather my vehicles up to this point. I am not even sure if I will like it. None of my infantry look weathered, so I don't know if it will just look out of place on the vehicles.
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Renegade box set only comes with enough decals to do knights from two different houses. A bit annoying
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Uroboros posted:I need a video to watch or something, I've been really hesitant to weather my vehicles up to this point. I am not even sure if I will like it. None of my infantry look weathered, so I don't know if it will just look out of place on the vehicles. Your stuff looks great as is, nothing wrong with the clean look if you’re not 100% sure about weathering.
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