Haifisch posted:

Sirotan posted:

Lotsa poopin', not a lot of showering going on in that household.

Fitzy Fitz posted:

I can't imagine having a nice porch like that and not using it. What is wrong with people.

bob dobbs is dead posted:

.... it's legal to have two residences and still be married and love each other?

(it's also allowed to live in a place dense enough for human habitation and with the courage to actually use land, lol

america needs more soulless 50 story apartment buildings)

Haifisch posted:

Yes, but then we wouldn't have a yard(we never use), 5 bathrooms, a dining room(we almost never use), a family room and a living room(only one of which we ever use), and two more bedrooms than people! Plus the apartments would 'ruin the neighborhood character'(let poor people have a place to live).


Everything about American homeownership ideals is BWM and BWL:


And more stuff from the original study:



e: Suburbia in general is BWM, since most developments can't bring in enough tax dollars to fund their running costs. The only thing keeping them from collapsing is constant new development. But heaven forbid you suggest that fields of McMansions 20 miles from shopping and employment shouldn't be the primary form of new developments. That would be unamerican.

VitalSigns posted:

With Tindr now it's feasible to just find new geo-convenient spouses anytime one of you gets a new job. Or it would be if millenials weren't too lazy and entitled to arrange their marital life around employers' convenience.

Cacafuego posted:

I’m guessing much of the “traditional” large home style is modeled after needs that have changed in the past 25 years or so. When I was young, my family’s dining room was used every night for dinner and for every birthday party/gatherings. Now that my brothers/sister are all adults, we still use my parent’s dining room several times a week. But we grew up in a large family (6 kids) with non-divorced parents. My dad was home every night and my mom didn’t work.

Now, younger families in which both parents work and everyone having their own entertainment, I’m guessing nobody uses dining rooms anymore, nor do they need to gather the entire family around the one TV, or share time on the one computer. Nor does anyone spend time outside or watching their children play.

Perhaps builders will move to eliminate porches, large yards and the dining room eventually. Or people “need” these since they grew up that way and “all houses should have these things”.

Haifisch posted:

Yes, but then we wouldn't have a yard(we never use), 5 bathrooms, a dining room(we almost never use), a family room and a living room(only one of which we ever use), and two more bedrooms than people! Plus the apartments would 'ruin the neighborhood character'(let poor people have a place to live).


Everything about American homeownership ideals is BWM and BWL:


And more stuff from the original study:



e: Suburbia in general is BWM, since most developments can't bring in enough tax dollars to fund their running costs. The only thing keeping them from collapsing is constant new development. But heaven forbid you suggest that fields of McMansions 20 miles from shopping and employment shouldn't be the primary form of new developments. That would be unamerican.

Cacafuego posted:

I’m guessing much of the “traditional” large home style is modeled after needs that have changed in the past 25 years or so. When I was young, my family’s dining room was used every night for dinner and for every birthday party/gatherings. Now that my brothers/sister are all adults, we still use my parent’s dining room several times a week. But we grew up in a large family (6 kids) with non-divorced parents. My dad was home every night and my mom didn’t work.

Now, younger families in which both parents work and everyone having their own entertainment, I’m guessing nobody uses dining rooms anymore, nor do they need to gather the entire family around the one TV, or share time on the one computer. Nor does anyone spend time outside or watching their children play.

Perhaps builders will move to eliminate porches, large yards and the dining room eventually. Or people “need” these since they grew up that way and “all houses should have these things”.

Splicer posted:

People understand your worldview they just find it reprehensible.

Midjack posted:

If you don't know the differences between Vegas and AC rules, let alone Monte Carlo or Macao, don't you even try to come in here and lecture us about earning in a casino. Recycled pap from a movie isn't going to take you anywhere these days.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

My uncle used to be regular BWM, but now I think he might be legitimately mentally unstable from pain pills and injuries.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

So far, nothing has happened and he has a ton of gas for his generator.

CellarDweller posted:

It isnt actionable. Unless he is an immediate danger to himself or someone else there really isnt anything you or anyone else can do. All you can do at this point is to try and convince him that he needs mental help.

Sirotan posted:

Lotsa poopin', not a lot of showering going on in that household.

please knock Mom! posted:

Do you triple space your posts so people don't have to write how obnoxious you're being in the margins or do you have some other inane reason?

Ashcans posted:

That study is obviously flawed and I can't believe their data is accurate.

No one with a grand piano actually uses it more than once a year, if at all.

John Smith posted:

I disagree. There have been at least several clearcut individuals where they had cognitive issues. I don't think you can credibly dispute my mild claim of "some".

I 100% believe that I am not competent of executing card-counting and make no claims whatsoever of being competent.

I recall that you explained before that your workplace is particularly prone to BWM due to its demographics and corporate culture. But it seems that your family is rather dysfunctional as well?

Well, does he at least store it safely? Or as safe as you can store a shitload of flammable materials.

Cacafuego posted:

I’m guessing much of the “traditional” large home style is modeled after needs that have changed in the past 25 years or so. When I was young, my family’s dining room was used every night for dinner and for every birthday party/gatherings. Now that my brothers/sister are all adults, we still use my parent’s dining room several times a week. But we grew up in a large family (6 kids) with non-divorced parents. My dad was home every night and my mom didn’t work.

Now, younger families in which both parents work and everyone having their own entertainment, I’m guessing nobody uses dining rooms anymore, nor do they need to gather the entire family around the one TV, or share time on the one computer. Nor does anyone spend time outside or watching their children play.

Perhaps builders will move to eliminate porches, large yards and the dining room eventually. Or people “need” these since they grew up that way and “all houses should have these things”.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

I have not read any of the original study text but surely the study authors on some level realize that houses are, have always been, and always will be a quintessential form of conspicuous consumption. If anybody is expecting things like formal dining rooms and unnecessarily large living rooms to go away because a research study shows that people don't use them very much, they are going to be very disappointed.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Surprisingly, my family is actually mostly good with money. Except for my siblings; one of whom is a heroin addict and the other is a private art school dropout and then planned on being a Vine celebrity (about 6 months before Vine shutdown).

But my Dad's side grew up in very bad poverty (with 10 kids and a dad that died when he was 43) and some of them never really recovered.

My Uncle has a pretty normal middle-class family, union plumber + high school teacher, but they have always been kind of weird hippies.

I would assume that it is senility/pain pills driving him crazy, but his 32-year son and wife seem to also be totally on board. So, I have no idea what is up.

Motronic posted:

And argument of "this actively displaces poor people from having homes" is something I do not understand well enough to have an opinion about.

John Smith posted:

Weird hippies seem acceptable enough, I guess. How do you treat the addict though? (include the dropout if he borrowed with PLUS loans in parents' name and hosed them over big-time)

I know I am a hardcore extremist, so I wonder how normal people handle these delicate issues. I would just straight up disown him outright.

Motronic posted:

This, plus people with homes that have "extra" rooms aren't buying those homes to use those rooms every day. It's will the full understanding that they are things that are used occasionally - in the example of a formal dining room in a home large enough to have an eat-in kitchen/breakfast room everyone KNOWS that room is going to be used for Easter, Christmas, etc and probably at no other time. Home theater rooms get used a lot at first for the novelty, then rarely. Bedrooms beyond the number of people living in the house that aren't turned into an office are used rarely, when you have overnight guests. This is all with the full awareness of the homeowners. It's a luxury that some of them can afford, and I don't really see what's wrong with that in a narrow context.

And argument of "this actively displaces poor people from having homes" is something I do not understand well enough to have an opinion about.

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totalnewbie posted:

Because it encourages sprawl and sprawl is BWM. Sprawl forces you to own a car, makes everything more expensive, is terrible for the environment, and just overall bad.

Motronic posted:

How does it "encourage" sprawl? People who can afford homes like this absolutely can afford to live in a city as well. It's a lifestyle choice.

If anything encourages sprawl it's good transportation networks (even if that's just roads and highways) into places with less expensive land that connect with places people work.

Motronic posted:

How does it "encourage" sprawl? People who can afford homes like this absolutely can afford to live in a city as well. It's a lifestyle choice.

bob dobbs is dead posted:

why not a 400 unit 40-story soulless concrete apartment, each unit $70-150k, huh

Barry posted:

Bigger homes take up more physical space. Also with your 5 bedroom home you obviously need a big yard. Have you ever been to the suburbs?

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

They were weird hippies for decades without going crazy like this, though. Nobody knows what happened, because my aunt and cousin think he is on to something. They just say that everything is fine and they want everyone else to participate in the plan.

My parents spent an enormous amount of their retirement money trying to help my addict brother for 8 years. Then, after he kept robbing my parents for 8 years, they bought him a trailer and forced him to move out. Now, he walks to work at some restaurant and rents out the other room in the trailer to pay for utilities and food.

The other one still lives my parents and paid back his loan by working as a power washer. He wanted to be a Youtube star and film car shows, but that didn't pan out. Now, he wants to be a photographer and has made -$1,200 on it so far (spent $1,500 on a DSLR camera and made $300 from 6 different jobs over 4 months) and told my parents that he won't get a 9-5 job "like them, because each generation is supposed to do better than their parents" and he is not going to give up and sell out like they did.

Now, my parents are telling him he has a year to get some kind of career started or they are going to kick him out and make him move in with my other brother. They are 30 and 26.

StormDrain posted:

wouldn’t the value of a single family home skyrocket if the land is in demand? Either from someone who wants to live in this clearly in demand neighborhood with tons of activity or from a developer who will scrape it for apartments?

John Smith posted:

I see. 8 years seem too long to invest in a turnaround on addicts, but then again I am not a parent and may not feel their pain. Er... so how does he currently pay for his heroin then? The younger son is a straight up rear end though, who the hell does he think he is??? Lol. At least your parents weren't out any loan money.

But actually, I meant ***you***. What is your relationship to such deadbeat do-nothings? Considering that they are blood.

StormDrain posted:

Markets don’t create demand, demand creates markets. When people stop buying the big houses in the burbs they get swallowed back up by nature Detroit style.

There’s no reason to build dense housing in the suburbs since there’s not enough people to fill it and be interested in living in dense housing where there isn’t a similarly dense group of workplaces and shops.

Barry posted:

Bigger homes take up more physical space. Also with your 5 bedroom home you obviously need a big yard. Have you ever been to the suburbs?

totalnewbie posted:

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