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That study is obviously flawed and I can't believe their data is accurate. No one with a grand piano actually uses it more than once a year, if at all.
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Lotsa poopin', not a lot of showering going on in that household.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 17:21 |
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Sirotan posted:Lotsa poopin', not a lot of showering going on in that household. Don't dox me bro
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 17:23 |
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I can't imagine having a nice porch like that and not using it. What is wrong with people.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 17:24 |
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I can't imagine having a nice porch like that and not using it. What is wrong with people. it might have been winter for one when they did the study
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 17:25 |
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bob dobbs is dead posted:.... it's legal to have two residences and still be married and love each other? beep boop
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 17:26 |
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Haifisch posted:Yes, but then we wouldn't have a yard(we never use), 5 bathrooms, a dining room(we almost never use), a family room and a living room(only one of which we ever use), and two more bedrooms than people! Plus the apartments would 'ruin the neighborhood character'(let poor people have a place to live). I’m guessing much of the “traditional” large home style is modeled after needs that have changed in the past 25 years or so. When I was young, my family’s dining room was used every night for dinner and for every birthday party/gatherings. Now that my brothers/sister are all adults, we still use my parent’s dining room several times a week. But we grew up in a large family (6 kids) with non-divorced parents. My dad was home every night and my mom didn’t work. Now, younger families in which both parents work and everyone having their own entertainment, I’m guessing nobody uses dining rooms anymore, nor do they need to gather the entire family around the one TV, or share time on the one computer. Nor does anyone spend time outside or watching their children play. Perhaps builders will move to eliminate porches, large yards and the dining room eventually. Or people “need” these since they grew up that way and “all houses should have these things”.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 17:36 |
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VitalSigns posted:With Tindr now it's feasible to just find new geo-convenient spouses anytime one of you gets a new job. Or it would be if millenials weren't too lazy and entitled to arrange their marital life around employers' convenience. Corporations could also just provide you with a spouse, and after termination you could pay to keep the spouse for a couple months while you find a new job.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 17:37 |
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Cacafuego posted:I’m guessing much of the “traditional” large home style is modeled after needs that have changed in the past 25 years or so. When I was young, my family’s dining room was used every night for dinner and for every birthday party/gatherings. Now that my brothers/sister are all adults, we still use my parent’s dining room several times a week. But we grew up in a large family (6 kids) with non-divorced parents. My dad was home every night and my mom didn’t work. I'm only ok with removing porches if we replace them with those low-slope roofs that you can get to through a window and sit on.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 17:39 |
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Haifisch posted:Yes, but then we wouldn't have a yard(we never use), 5 bathrooms, a dining room(we almost never use), a family room and a living room(only one of which we ever use), and two more bedrooms than people! Plus the apartments would 'ruin the neighborhood character'(let poor people have a place to live). gently caress, i read "fast forward families", the orig ucla celf book, and it's basically the book that convinced me that anthropology was really 100% one of the cognitive sciences and we need to do it almost exclusively on rich white peeps, lol bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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psychology and anthropology should basically inverse their populations psychologists can go off into buttfuck nowhere jungles, anthopologists should pore over the lives of rich college students and examine wtf is wrong with them
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 17:46 |
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Cacafuego posted:I’m guessing much of the “traditional” large home style is modeled after needs that have changed in the past 25 years or so. When I was young, my family’s dining room was used every night for dinner and for every birthday party/gatherings. Now that my brothers/sister are all adults, we still use my parent’s dining room several times a week. But we grew up in a large family (6 kids) with non-divorced parents. My dad was home every night and my mom didn’t work. If you take that house as an example, there's definitely a dining room, and it's one of the most heavily used places in the home. It's right next to the kitchen. The place labeled "dining room" is probably a formal dining room that nobody's allowed to actually use. Nobody uses formal dining rooms. Even super-wealthy mansion dwellers usually have the help serve them at a more informal table most of the time. But they're aspirational: you want to have fancy parties where you show off to your friends over witty banter, right? Just like the amazing lifestyle adventures you can have in your car, or the beautiful yard and garden you'll plant someday. Formal dining rooms and features like them aren't going anywhere, even though they're useless to everyone most of the time, and to most people all of the time. They sell houses.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:00 |
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Splicer posted:People understand your worldview they just find it reprehensible. Midjack posted:If you don't know the differences between Vegas and AC rules, let alone Monte Carlo or Macao, don't you even try to come in here and lecture us about earning in a casino. Recycled pap from a movie isn't going to take you anywhere these days. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:My uncle used to be regular BWM, but now I think he might be legitimately mentally unstable from pain pills and injuries. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:So far, nothing has happened and he has a ton of gas for his generator.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:03 |
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Do you triple space your posts so people don't have to write how obnoxious you're being in the margins or do you have some other inane reason?
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:08 |
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CellarDweller posted:It isnt actionable. Unless he is an immediate danger to himself or someone else there really isnt anything you or anyone else can do. All you can do at this point is to try and convince him that he needs mental help. Idk forcing your family to live in a house without A/C or fans or anything in summer because you shut the power off might be actionable
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:08 |
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Sirotan posted:Lotsa poopin', not a lot of showering going on in that household. They might be collecting that data by say cellphone location or some other electronic device which wouldn't be taken into the shower
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please knock Mom! posted:Do you triple space your posts so people don't have to write how obnoxious you're being in the margins or do you have some other inane reason?
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:22 |
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Ashcans posted:That study is obviously flawed and I can't believe their data is accurate. Sure they do; they force their kids to play.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:38 |
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John Smith posted:I disagree. There have been at least several clearcut individuals where they had cognitive issues. I don't think you can credibly dispute my mild claim of "some". Surprisingly, my family is actually mostly good with money. Except for my siblings; one of whom is a heroin addict and the other is a private art school dropout and then planned on being a Vine celebrity (about 6 months before Vine shutdown). But my Dad's side grew up in very bad poverty (with 10 kids and a dad that died when he was 43) and some of them never really recovered. My Uncle has a pretty normal middle-class family, union plumber + high school teacher, but they have always been kind of weird hippies. I would assume that it is senility/pain pills driving him crazy, but his 32-year old son and wife seem to also be totally on board. So, I have no idea what is up. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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Cacafuego posted:I’m guessing much of the “traditional” large home style is modeled after needs that have changed in the past 25 years or so. When I was young, my family’s dining room was used every night for dinner and for every birthday party/gatherings. Now that my brothers/sister are all adults, we still use my parent’s dining room several times a week. But we grew up in a large family (6 kids) with non-divorced parents. My dad was home every night and my mom didn’t work. I have not read any of the original study text but surely the study authors on some level realize that houses are, have always been, and always will be a quintessential form of conspicuous consumption. If anybody is expecting things like formal dining rooms and unnecessarily large living rooms to go away because a research study shows that people don't use them very much, they are going to be very disappointed.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:40 |
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ochs lab is completely descriptive research, but with this huge undertone of "lol you live worse than in other places"
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:44 |
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BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:I have not read any of the original study text but surely the study authors on some level realize that houses are, have always been, and always will be a quintessential form of conspicuous consumption. If anybody is expecting things like formal dining rooms and unnecessarily large living rooms to go away because a research study shows that people don't use them very much, they are going to be very disappointed. This, plus people with homes that have "extra" rooms aren't buying those homes to use those rooms every day. It's will the full understanding that they are things that are used occasionally - in the example of a formal dining room in a home large enough to have an eat-in kitchen/breakfast room everyone KNOWS that room is going to be used for Easter, Christmas, etc and probably at no other time. Home theater rooms get used a lot at first for the novelty, then rarely. Bedrooms beyond the number of people living in the house that aren't turned into an office are used rarely, when you have overnight guests. This is all with the full awareness of the homeowners. It's a luxury that some of them can afford, and I don't really see what's wrong with that in a narrow context. And argument of "this actively displaces poor people from having homes" is something I do not understand well enough to have an opinion about.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:47 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Surprisingly, my family is actually mostly good with money. Except for my siblings; one of whom is a heroin addict and the other is a private art school dropout and then planned on being a Vine celebrity (about 6 months before Vine shutdown). I know I am a hardcore extremist, so I wonder how normal people handle these delicate issues. I would just straight up disown him outright.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:48 |
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Motronic posted:
it prevents the glorious 50 story soulless concrete apartment
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:50 |
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John Smith posted:Weird hippies seem acceptable enough, I guess. How do you treat the addict though? (include the dropout if he borrowed with PLUS loans in parents' name and hosed them over big-time) They were weird hippies for decades without going crazy like this, though. Nobody knows what happened, because my aunt and cousin think he is on to something. They just say that everything is fine and they want everyone else to participate in the plan. My parents spent an enormous amount of their retirement money trying to help my addict brother for 8 years. Then, after he kept robbing my parents for 8 years, they bought him a trailer and forced him to move out. Now, he walks to work at some restaurant and rents out the other room in the trailer to pay for utilities and food. The other one still lives my parents and paid back his loan by working as a power washer. He wanted to be a Youtube star and film car shows, but that didn't pan out. Now, he wants to be a photographer and has made -$1,200 on it so far (spent $1,500 on a DSLR camera and made $300 from 6 different jobs over 4 months) and told my parents that he won't get a 9-5 job "like them, because each generation is supposed to do better than their parents" and he is not going to give up and sell out like they did. Now, my parents are telling him he has a year to get some kind of career started or they are going to kick him out and make him move in with my other brother. They are 30 and 26. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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Motronic posted:This, plus people with homes that have "extra" rooms aren't buying those homes to use those rooms every day. It's will the full understanding that they are things that are used occasionally - in the example of a formal dining room in a home large enough to have an eat-in kitchen/breakfast room everyone KNOWS that room is going to be used for Easter, Christmas, etc and probably at no other time. Home theater rooms get used a lot at first for the novelty, then rarely. Bedrooms beyond the number of people living in the house that aren't turned into an office are used rarely, when you have overnight guests. This is all with the full awareness of the homeowners. It's a luxury that some of them can afford, and I don't really see what's wrong with that in a narrow context. Because it encourages sprawl and sprawl is BWM. Sprawl forces you to own a car, makes everything more expensive, is terrible for the environment, and just overall bad. Content: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8pbidr/quit_university_trying_to_force_myself_into_the/ posted:Here is link if that's all you need: https://www.twitch.tv/meta_walker You will have no reason to watch my stream other than that I'm asking you to. Please watch.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 19:00 |
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totalnewbie posted:Because it encourages sprawl and sprawl is BWM. Sprawl forces you to own a car, makes everything more expensive, is terrible for the environment, and just overall bad. How does it "encourage" sprawl? People who can afford homes like this absolutely can afford to live in a city as well. It's a lifestyle choice. If anything encourages sprawl it's good transportation networks (even if that's just roads and highways) into places with less expensive land that connect with places people work.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 19:08 |
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Motronic posted:How does it "encourage" sprawl? People who can afford homes like this absolutely can afford to live in a city as well. It's a lifestyle choice. Bigger homes take up more physical space. Also with your 5 bedroom home you obviously need a big yard. Have you ever been to the suburbs?
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 19:14 |
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Anyone who wants to live in more than 60 square feet of space is just a greedy rear end in a top hat who is taking space away from others anyway
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 19:20 |
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there should be 10x more parts of america that look unironically like this
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 19:20 |
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Motronic posted:How does it "encourage" sprawl? People who can afford homes like this absolutely can afford to live in a city as well. It's a lifestyle choice. Sprawl is encouraged by laws that won't let homes within cities be demolished and rebuilt as 6 $500k condos instead of 1 $1million house.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 19:27 |
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why not a 400 unit 40-story soulless concrete apartment, each unit $70-150k, huh
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 19:31 |
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bob dobbs is dead posted:why not a 400 unit 40-story soulless concrete apartment, each unit $70-150k, huh I'm all for that too, it's just easier to build up to 4 floors on small lots. Cheaper, don't need as many specialized workers or tools, and easier to finance.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 19:36 |
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Barry posted:Bigger homes take up more physical space. Also with your 5 bedroom home you obviously need a big yard. Have you ever been to the suburbs? Markets don’t create demand, demand creates markets. When people stop buying the big houses in the burbs they get swallowed back up by nature Detroit style. There’s no reason to build dense housing in the suburbs since there’s not enough people to fill it and be interested in living in dense housing where there isn’t a similarly dense group of workplaces and shops. Focus your energy on the old neighborhoods in cities where the people actively fight re-zoning as it will harm the character of their neighborhood. I’d argue that’s BWM too, wouldn’t the value of a single family home skyrocket if the land is in demand? Either from someone who wants to live in this clearly in demand neighborhood with tons of activity or from a developer who will scrape it for apartments?
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 20:20 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They were weird hippies for decades without going crazy like this, though. Nobody knows what happened, because my aunt and cousin think he is on to something. They just say that everything is fine and they want everyone else to participate in the plan. But actually, I meant ***you***. What is your relationship to such deadbeat do-nothings? Considering that they are blood.
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StormDrain posted:wouldn’t the value of a single family home skyrocket if the land is in demand? Either from someone who wants to live in this clearly in demand neighborhood with tons of activity or from a developer who will scrape it for apartments? The owner benefits if the re-zoning only applies to him, but on a communal level, re-zoning harms property prices.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 20:28 |
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John Smith posted:I see. 8 years seem too long to invest in a turnaround on addicts, but then again I am not a parent and may not feel their pain. Er... so how does he currently pay for his heroin then? The younger son is a straight up rear end though, who the hell does he think he is??? Lol. At least your parents weren't out any loan money. He's on methadone and all his money comes from renting out the spare room in his trailer and his part-time job. I see them both about once a year.
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StormDrain posted:Markets don’t create demand, demand creates markets. When people stop buying the big houses in the burbs they get swallowed back up by nature Detroit style. Thank you. This is exactly my point. I don't know how you "fix" that, but the fix is likely to be in cities and making them attractive enough to people who are currently choosing to live elsewhere as well as creating enough affordable housing for those who have to live there. The perfect example of how this isn't likely to be solvable without massive, massive upheaval is: the Bay Area. I don't see how suburban housing size or density has much to do with any cause or solution to this problem: it's just a visible symptom.
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# ? Jun 7, 2018 20:34 |
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Barry posted:Bigger homes take up more physical space. Also with your 5 bedroom home you obviously need a big yard. Have you ever been to the suburbs? I have, and all of the places built within the past 30 years or so have tiny yards, because the developers want to be able to squeeze more houses into the 3-4 acres they bought.
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totalnewbie posted:Content: From the stream page: "i'm putting myself on a one year timer to make it pro and make a living from it or quit the game forever." Probably GWM a year from now, at least.
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