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AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Ki-84 is the real good poo poo, but I don't think you can push them out quite yet.

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barman
Jan 29, 2013

Grey Hunter posted:

The one good thing about this is I have 500 Tojo's in stores, so we should see a mass of them when they go into action.


Hi grey,

After being the bringer of good news, I hate to be the bringer of possible bad news...

But ....... we need the good Tojo's, the KI44c model... the one with armor

On the 2nd of June you had 54 of those, the KI44a model has no armor, that's not good for our pilots...

With regard to carrier airgroup upgrades, they can be done at a medium level port at the ship itself, however fragments of airgroups CANNOT be upgraded.

I noticed that you had some fragments on your carriers and on islands . Either disband them or fly them to the carrier or a lvl5 base to recombine them with the main fragment

Further with regard to carrier airgroups: you can also resize them to 72 , they make a hell of a dent in Allied attacks or Allied Shipping once land based


By the way : I am looking for a late war Japanese pick up game . I would be really grateful If you can pm me any of your saves to my hotmail adress

barryverhoef@ .com

Any Non Disclosure Agreement will be signed :-) and I will not post about your great game, it is for personal use only


N.B If anyone has questions about the mechanics of this game without reading the manual:

This thread has it all:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2260137

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Those aircobras and spitfires are in for a nasty surprise when the Helens start being escorted by Tojos and A7Ms.

:getin::japan:

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

Even accounting for Japan actually managing to get them into real production in this LP, the A7M won't be around for months yet. Looking back at the plane pool picture though... Grey, do you not have any N1Ks available yet, or are they just down the list from the section you showed? Those would be a rather nice addition to your fighter pools in addition to the Ki-84s.

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

Grey Hunter posted:





Bloody banshees.

What an almost-perfect island to appear on this day. Anyway, on to your daily loss report:

6 June 1944

It's D-Day, and that means casualties. Eight hundred eighty-two warships were involved, along with over 4,000 landing vessels and 1,250 transports. Of the warships, only three destroyers were lost during the invasion: the Norwegian Svenner, torpedoed by German torpedo-boats (the seagoing variety, not MTBs), and the British Wrestler and American Corry, both mined. Wrestler did not sink, but was damaged beyond repair.There are some curious discrepancies in Corry's loss. I'll just quote Wiki:

Wikipedia posted:

The official loss of ship report for Corry states that at 06:33 she hit a mine, which was said to have exploded below her engineering spaces. Initial reports by the commanding officer, however, state that Corry was sunk by a salvo of heavy caliber projectiles which detonated amidships below the water level in the engineering spaces and caused the breaking in half and sinking of the vessel. German reports also state that the Saint Marcouf (Crisbecq) battery commanded by Walter Ohmsen, located 1 1⁄2 miles (2.4 km) inland, with its three 210-millimeter (8.25 in) guns scored a direct hit on an American warship at approximately H-Hour (0630), causing its sinking. The warship was initially believed to be a light cruiser (due to Corry's silhouette resembling that of a light cruiser at a distance). About two weeks after D-Day, a detailed report stating that heavy artillery fire had sunk Corry was about to be submitted as the official loss of ship report, but it was suddenly scrapped and rewritten stating that Corry had struck a mine. No officers or crew were consulted for input on the rewrite of the report. This final official loss report for Corry stated on its last page that shelling received simultaneously with the proposed mine resulted in "merely incidental damage".

In the Pacific, the Silent Service kept in the action, Harder sinking the destroyer Minazuki and Raton sinking escort No. 15.

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal
In this timeline, D-Day failed due to the transports being mistakenly loaded with support personnel instead of the actual combat troops.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

In this timeline, D-Day failed due to the transports being mistakenly loaded with support personnel instead of the actual combat troops.

I think by this point we can confirm that it was deliberate.

Coucho Marx
Mar 2, 2009

kick back and relax

shalafi4 posted:

wait.... whut? Anyone have any info on this?

Here you are. Less 'super-advanced caseless ammo' and more 'gimmicky mini-rocket'. Like all wunderwaffen (kiseki no buki?), it was awkward and difficult to use, if occasionally effective, but didn't make any difference to the outcome of the war.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






My raiders finally get a break in their luck – taking two torps while blowing up patrol boats. These wounds quickly prove fatal to our light criuiser.



We blow up another landing craft.



Then another. Another one follows this as it becomes a bad day to be on an allied small craft.



Take that!



The killing continues. It is good.



We see the Spitfires again today.



The Kido Butai is out sparring with Liberators.



They also sink a proper ship.






God drat it, I wanted that fuel.






Bit of a mixed day, blew up lots of ships, but lost a cruiser.



The sub claim is a bit odd. We also get a report that the Essex was not sunk and is still in service.

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

...Oh no, not another 18kt training cruiser, hanging like an albatross around the neck of the task forces, sunk. :what:

Also, why the hell are they worth 24 points? Fubuki-class and later destroyers are more effective surface combatants then they are, let alone anything their actual size.

i81icu812
Dec 5, 2006

Lord Koth posted:

...Oh no, not another 18kt training cruiser, hanging like an albatross around the neck of the task forces, sunk. :what:

Also, why the hell are they worth 24 points? Fubuki-class and later destroyers are more effective surface combatants then they are, let alone anything their actual size.

sinking the kashima from your fast raider taskforce is an unmitigated good thing!

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Lord Koth posted:

...Oh no, not another 18kt training cruiser, hanging like an albatross around the neck of the task forces, sunk. :what:

Also, why the hell are they worth 24 points? Fubuki-class and later destroyers are more effective surface combatants then they are, let alone anything their actual size.

the game uses some kind of formula based on a ship's statistics to determine their VP cost

I discovered this when I modded the game to give all Allied ships 999 armor and 999 toughness and 999 gun accuracy and all that poo poo, only to discover that when I did lose a single xAK, it was worth over a hundred points as a result

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

How many training cruisers do we have left on live fire training in Rabaul?

Triggerhappypilot
Nov 8, 2009

SVMS-01 UNION FLAG GREATEST MOBILE SUIT

ENACT = CHEAP EUROTRASH COPY




Lord Koth posted:

Also, why the hell are they worth 24 points? Fubuki-class and later destroyers are more effective surface combatants then they are, let alone anything their actual size.

Remember, the crew of the Kashima is nearly 3 times the size of a Fubuki. There's a ton of future officers that went down with that ship.

mercenarynuker
Sep 10, 2008

Triggerhappypilot posted:

Remember, the crew of the Kashima is nearly 3 times the size of a Fubuki. There's a ton of future officers that went down with that ship.

I literally cannot tell if the game tracks ensigns and lt. commanders and whether or not you're joking. You could tell me it tracks moon phases which have an effect on night missions and engagements, and I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand as insane

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
It should do. And tides. Can't storm a beach properly when the tide's all wrong.

Caconym
Feb 12, 2013

mercenarynuker posted:

I literally cannot tell if the game tracks ensigns and lt. commanders and whether or not you're joking. You could tell me it tracks moon phases which have an effect on night missions and engagements, and I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand as insane

Of course it tracks moon phases.
Moon phase and overcast determine visibility and that's a roll in night air search, air strike, recon and surface-surface spotting distance.

Not tides though.

Bold Robot
Jan 6, 2009

Be brave.



mercenarynuker posted:

I literally cannot tell if the game tracks ensigns and lt. commanders and whether or not you're joking. You could tell me it tracks moon phases which have an effect on night missions and engagements, and I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand as insane

Moon phases are one of the less crazy things it tracks imo but maybe I've just drank the kool-aid at this point.

As far as I know the game doesn't track anything about a ship's crew other than 1) the captain and 2) an overall crew experience stat.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Bold Robot posted:

Moon phases are one of the less crazy things it tracks imo but maybe I've just drank the kool-aid at this point.

As far as I know the game doesn't track anything about a ship's crew other than 1) the captain and 2) an overall crew experience stat.

I really should post/look at some crew stats for my raiders. They have seen a hell of a lot of action in the last couple of years.

Bold Robot
Jan 6, 2009

Be brave.



Grey Hunter posted:

I really should post/look at some crew stats for my raiders. They have seen a hell of a lot of action in the last couple of years.

That would be awesome. It would also be cool to see a post of the large strategic map (the one that comes up when you hit ctrl-A) set to "Bases" mode, to get a sense of the overall progress of the war.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

mercenarynuker posted:

I literally cannot tell if the game tracks ensigns and lt. commanders and whether or not you're joking. You could tell me it tracks moon phases which have an effect on night missions and engagements, and I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand as insane

The Kashima was, IRL, a training cruiser, so yes, there really would have been a lot of crew that went down with the ship.

But no, that has no bearing on the game.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets






We obliterate another allied ship.



I love those words.



Twice in one day!



Flak brings down more planes.



We tangle with some lightnings.



The Thunderbolts hit us at Rabaul.



The bombing and bombardment has done it's work though, the enemy at Manus are disrupted.






We're making progress in at least one of our attacks.



There is the Bataan confirmed.

pthighs
Jun 21, 2013

Pillbug
The more you think about it the more hosed up it becomes to name a strategic bomber a Liberator.

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

7 June 1944

Mines off Normandy claim another victim in USS Tide, a minesweeper, and USS Harder keeps up the kill streak by torpedoing the destroyer Hayanami near Borneo.

8 June 1944

USAAF aircraft take down the destroyer Harusame off western New Guinea while USS Hake draws blood near Mindanao, sinking the destroyer Kazegumo. Back at Normandy, German aircraft appear in enough force to knock out HMS Lawford, a frigate acting as an assault HQ ship, and mines continue their attrition: US destroyers Meredith and Glennon are disabled by mines and finally sunk the following day by bombs and artillery respectively and destroyer escort Rich strikes two mines while moving to assist Glennon, breaking in half.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Triggerhappypilot posted:

Remember, the crew of the Kashima is nearly 3 times the size of a Fubuki. There's a ton of future officers that went down with that ship.

Does the game model naval manpower? Aside from pilots and admirals?

Dreamsicle
Oct 16, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

the game uses some kind of formula based on a ship's statistics to determine their VP cost

I discovered this when I modded the game to give all Allied ships 999 armor and 999 toughness and 999 gun accuracy and all that poo poo, only to discover that when I did lose a single xAK, it was worth over a hundred points as a result

From the Manual

WITP Manual posted:


The VPs for sinking a ship is based on the durability and capacity of the ship

Katori Class has a durability of 24 and capacity of 425 while the Fubuki has a durability of 8 and a capacity of 200.

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

So what I'm getting from this is that since none of the Katori-class's actual uses are modeled in-game (and some of them seem like they could have been modeled, given certain modifiers that have been mentioned), the class is an active liability to the Japanese player. Useless in combat, useless for any kind of transport capability, and worth a bunch of points if they get sunk... I guess the best option is to just squirrel them away in Hokkaido or one of those other northern ports to keep them hidden and out of the way?

Triggerhappypilot
Nov 8, 2009

SVMS-01 UNION FLAG GREATEST MOBILE SUIT

ENACT = CHEAP EUROTRASH COPY




Lord Koth posted:

So what I'm getting from this is that since none of the Katori-class's actual uses are modeled in-game (and some of them seem like they could have been modeled, given certain modifiers that have been mentioned), the class is an active liability to the Japanese player. Useless in combat, useless for any kind of transport capability, and worth a bunch of points if they get sunk... I guess the best option is to just squirrel them away in Hokkaido or one of those other northern ports to keep them hidden and out of the way?

You can use them as escorts for tanker convoys, they're good ablative armor and they're fast enough to keep up with high speed tankers.

Caconym
Feb 12, 2013

Triggerhappypilot posted:

You can use them as escorts for tanker convoys, they're good ablative armor and they're fast enough to keep up with high speed tankers.

They even get a couple of depth charges in an upgrade. Tailor made tanker escort.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets









Our heavy ships lay into Manus again – every hit is more disruption.





The bombers keep up the pressure as well.





We actually come out on top here for once!





We've nearly broken through the forts here.









There is another dogfight over Burma.









Still bombarding here, and still trying to get my bombers to do something.









I make attempt number 100 to change the settings on my bombers in China to try and make them hit something. The next step is to move them closer. Maybe taking them out of a city will remove them from whatever distractions they are finding.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Maybe you could show your settings, and then the goon experts in the thread can diagnose what's wrong?

Plek
Jul 30, 2009
Is it possible that you cannot fly in below a certain altitude due to mountains? Or over the mountains at all? I mean, japanese planes...

Woodchip
Mar 28, 2010
Picking this game back again after a while. It's Aug 43 and I've walked a couple Australian divisions and a handful of brigades conquer bases from Prome all the way to Singapore. All we have to do is get across the river all together now...


Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 13939 troops, 221 guns, 379 vehicles, Assault Value = 459

Defending force 35389 troops, 465 guns, 556 vehicles, Assault Value = 1058

Allied adjusted assault: 1

Japanese adjusted defense: 2451

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2451 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Allied ground losses:
5011 casualties reported
Squads: 124 destroyed, 381 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 84 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 36 disabled
Guns lost 105 (2 destroyed, 103 disabled)
Vehicles lost 64 (4 destroyed, 60 disabled)

Sorry 7th Australian div, you died horribly the next day due to shock counterattack and bad leadership. From 400+ AV to 40AV in two days!

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
Getting murked by attacking across a river into a force twice your side is a surprisingly realistic result from the ground combat model in this game

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Leperflesh posted:

Maybe you could show your settings, and then the goon experts in the thread can diagnose what's wrong?

Counterpoint: don't do this, because Gray's tales of fighting the interface as hard as the Allies are much more interesting than a bunch of grognards trying to be the next LP breakout star by smugly explaining how to min-max everything.

Woodchip
Mar 28, 2010
That makes sense. Next attempt will have four divs crossing at the same time.

(Future me: they didn’t)

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

9 June 1944

American submarines score two more victories over Japanese destroyers, Swordfish sinking Matsukaze and Harder (better, faster, stronger) sinking Tanikaze. American aircraft damage the German torpedo boat TA-27 (ex-Italian Auriga) at Elba; it capsizes during the night. Two German destroyers, ZH-1 (ex-Dutch Gerard Callenburgh) and Z-32, are caught off the Ile de Batz in Brittany and destroyed by British and Canadian destroyers.

At Normandy, today sees the commencement of Mulberry harbor construction. Numerous old ships are scuttled as part of the breakwater, including the British battleship Centurion, cruiser Durban, and AA auxiliary Alynbank, the French battleship Courbet, and the Dutch cruiser Sumatra.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Nice! So, you decided to send your carriers for upgrades or not going to yet Grey?

And good luck wtih the interface

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
I miscounted. They are due in August, not June. I'll send them up then.

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wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013

Grey Hunter posted:

I miscounted. They are due in August, not June. I'll send them up then.

Cool, so got some more time to burn. Hopeully that means by the end of the year you'll have full strike groups on updated carriers of new planes, trained pilots, and your surface fleet should also be getting out of the repiar yards so your battlefleet will be fully operational..

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