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I'm glad this thread has devolved into a chaos appropriately reflective of the show. I was mildly entertained by the first few episodes of the season and have enjoyed the Maeve storyline (especially the Shogun world), but I think I'm finally ready to accept that this season on the whole is a sloppy goddamned mess. The jumbled chronology is just so gratuitous. The concept and central themes of the show have enough potential such that it shouldn't have to rely upon mystification via gnarled timelines to keep an audience. And Evan Rachel Wood is just so hilariously bland. Ed Harris is starting to reach caricature-levels as well, not to mention have his storyline be diminutized by whatever the gently caress else has been going on in the central Dolores/Teddy/Bernard/Hale arc. This has all probably been said already before but *~^WhAtEvEr^~*
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Between Teresa and Hale, Ford clearly killed off the competent suit first. He leave Hale along to gently caress up her own QA term herself. Can you imagine what would happen if the secret service let orange turd decide how to run the security detail?
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Jun 7, 2018 12:16
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I've seen Gaddafi's, so yes.
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Jun 7, 2018 16:00
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This episode solidified this season as being completely mediocre to me. It's going to be a slog to get through watching the rest.
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Jun 7, 2018 16:41
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What I want to know is, what the hell are they going to do for a third season? D-Lor-S makes her way to America or whatever and starts killing humans to take over the world? This seems like something you would put in a movie plot where you don't have to keep iterating on it.
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Jun 7, 2018 16:43
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They'll find an excuse to keep them in the park and visit Pirate World or Roman World.
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Jun 7, 2018 16:49
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The only thing that really bugged me while watching this episode was how much they relied on exposition to explain all the mysteries they've been building for the past 6 episodes. It seems sloppy. Like in the first season when they revealed that MiB was William, they did it with the shot of him putting on the black hat. The next shot was MiB wearing the black hat. The viewer goes "Oooooohhhhh they're the same guy!" without Bernard or somebody going "I get it now. William and the MiB are the same man. This entire time they've been on two separate timelines."
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Jun 7, 2018 16:51
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The show's name is "Westworld", the story has to stay relevant to the west world. Therefore s3 will go back to the Shakespeareanworld.
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Jun 7, 2018 17:11
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I suspect another park won’t be named this season. They plan on three more seasons, right? We’ll probably get an adventure into new park once a season.
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Jun 7, 2018 17:40
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I’m so goddamn bored of watching flawless robots doing everything according to plan 100% of the time. Gunfights in this series don’t hold any stakes. Also sure I’m in a facility filled with murderous robots that are identical to humans but I’m gonna sexy it up with this chick I just shot song I know to be a murdering robot. BigglesSWE fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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Jun 7, 2018 17:43
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Fitzy Fitz posted:The only thing that really bugged me while watching this episode was how much they relied on exposition to explain all the mysteries they've been building for the past 6 episodes. It seems sloppy. Like in the first season when they revealed that MiB was William, they did it with the shot of him putting on the black hat. The next shot was MiB wearing the black hat. The viewer goes "Oooooohhhhh they're the same guy!" without Bernard or somebody going "I get it now. William and the MiB are the same man. This entire time they've been on two separate timelines." This is a legitimate gripe. However there are a bunch of people who can't figure out how trains work so they may have felt the need to pander to a slightly slower demographic.
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Jun 7, 2018 18:19
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BigglesSWE posted:I’m so goddamn bored of watching flawless robots doing everything according to plan 100% of the time. Gunfights in this series don’t hold any stakes. Yeah it’s very strange. In season 1 the fights were just as un engaging but it came off as fun self-indulgent violence since we knew it was a game and there were no stakes. The entire point of this season is that the stakes are real but so far the robots have been completely without obstacle. Honestly I’m not terribly let down by this season because I knew they had almost no chance of even meeting the quality of season 1, which I still maintain is brilliant. It was a complete story and this is what happens “when you let a story play out all the way.” But there’s definitely been some bizarre writing choices to a point where it doesn’t feel like the same team, or there was more interfering because it got popular.
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Jun 7, 2018 18:24
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If the robots don't care about their lives and willingly blow themselves up along with the backup hardware, why should you care? Same goes for the red shirts, they care even about their lives less than the robots.
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Jun 7, 2018 18:31
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“The valley beyond” is just ad copy for Westworld 2: The Lost Gold.
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Jun 7, 2018 18:32
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I think you mean Arnold's Gold.
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Jun 7, 2018 18:34
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Well, MiB at least is still very good at murdering robots (except for woke telepathic ones). He should have trained the QA guys personally Also I agree that most action scenes this season are kinda dumb, but I dont think it was much better last season (even Maeve escape). And frankly I didint mind it at all while I was watching, perhaps because I wanst expecting the fights to be smart or realistic Im on a minority here that I dont think this season is inferior to the first. Neither are brilliant, imo, but both are fun and engaging TV. I still like most of the plots, Im still very curious about the mysteries and stuff. Dolores indeed become insuferable, but almost every other character have improved over s1
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Jun 7, 2018 18:40
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Fitzy Fitz posted:The only thing that really bugged me while watching this episode was how much they relied on exposition to explain all the mysteries they've been building for the past 6 episodes. It seems sloppy. Like in the first season when they revealed that MiB was William, they did it with the shot of him putting on the black hat. The next shot was MiB wearing the black hat. The viewer goes "Oooooohhhhh they're the same guy!" without Bernard or somebody going "I get it now. William and the MiB are the same man. This entire time they've been on two separate timelines." Ehhhh...Bernard had a TON of exposition with his reveal and the reveal that Ford was working all along to free the hosts had a ton of exposition as well. The MiB reveal was the only one done in the Prestige way without much talking (even that had more talking) and loud building music. Everything else was a Memento/Interstellar "talk our way to explain exactly what is going on because most of the audience actually won't realize it otherwise" (and they still don't, even with that).
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Jun 7, 2018 18:40
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Elias_Maluco posted:Im on a minority here that I dont think this season is inferior to the first. Neither are brilliant, imo, but both are fun and engaging TV. I still like most of the plots, Im still very curious about the mysteries and stuff. Dolores indeed become insuferable, but almost every other character have improved over s1 I'm with you on this. First season had it's dumb parts (like Maeve's escape) which were as silly as the action sequences here, but they were largely forgiven because the twists and the good scenes (like Maeve seeing what was going on with the hosts/humans) were so surprisingly good. This season has had an equal number of good scenes to this point, I'd say (just not as much Hopkins, which is an auto-negative), and just as many silly parts, which is still way better than practically all current prestige TV, but: People are looking at it with memory of just the good of S1 and not the week to week stuff and comparing it to that, and are looking at it expecting giant twists and expecting every episode to have a super awesome sequence (1st season didn't), and when it doesn't, overstate the negatives. And in some cases, calling their own twists and then complaining about the show being stupid for their fake predictions like that "baby" cradle prediction that was flying around for a while. Also, almost all TV action that isn't Spartacus is bad, but a lot could be remedied if the woke bots emulated "god mode" from Person of Interest or something to cover for it. Darko fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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Jun 7, 2018 18:50
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Can't wait for all of you who are done with this show after the "sloppy mess" of S2 to be right back here, watching and posting in S3. If you think this season is sloppy or something, I'd encourage you to rewatch S1 without your rose-colored glasses on. They're about the same level of quality, only the narrative delivery methods have changed a bit to be more straightforward. Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Chekhov's muffin Also I think we have a winner right here, folks.
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Jun 7, 2018 18:59
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Darko posted:I'm with you on this. First season had it's dumb parts (like Maeve's escape) which were as silly as the action sequences here, but they were largely forgiven because the twists and the good scenes (like Maeve seeing what was going on with the hosts/humans) were so surprisingly good.
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Jun 7, 2018 19:12
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Skimming the thread it seems I might be alone in thinking Dolores being interrupted with the saw felt like the schlockiest part from the last episode. It's the kind of moment Dave Hill from GoT would write in, though if it were GoT level they'd deffo add a zoom shot of the saw a couple of mm from the skin. The cradle scene didn't feel as bad, mainly because the whole time I was waiting for her to throw him into the chair/ball remover which would have been a very acceptable 80s/90s grade sci-fi cliche.AwkwardKnob posted:Can't wait for all of you who are done with this show after the "sloppy mess" of S2 to be right back here, watching and posting in S3. Comparing the two seasons I'd say the new plotlines have exposed some weaknesses in the writing, and we're following weaker characters. But I wouldn't be surprised if season 3 is just as good, or even better than season 1.
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Jun 7, 2018 19:47
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The PMCs wouldn't be so egregious were it not for the fact that the show makes a point showing how they're taking charge and that moustache man is here and he's the ultimate badass only for him to get murked by the first host he comes across (fair enough it was Teddy, but it didn't have to be). It's possible he's survived, but if not then as far as I tell he was completely ineffectual. I know PMCs turning up and talking smack to the incumbent security is a trope, but it really shows through on this show. They're faceless goons who it's impossible to believe are actually trained or have any hope of prevailing. They're basically those Phantom Menace poo poo-tier droids in every way. Durzel fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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Jun 7, 2018 20:00
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roger roger!
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I like how the super special haptic vest that lets the mook see in the dark is light up. That didn't really click until just now.
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Jun 7, 2018 20:21
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TK-42-1 posted:I like how the super special haptic vest that lets the mook see in the dark is light up. That didn't really click until just now. How else would they ever convey that the haptic vests are working to an audience through non-haptic media? Yeah, it's kind of silly they light up, but it's a goddamn TV show. some of you people, i swear.
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Jun 7, 2018 20:26
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tino posted:What? Show me a loving episode where she is loving competent. Counterpoint - show me a single moment where she isn't. They showed us that she's competent by having her be The Boss which implies competence, and clunky dialog reinforces "you're uncomfortable not being in control because you, the controller, are used to being in control". Have they shown her to fail in the face of anything other than Ford's completely unstoppable robot uprising? EDIT: I also thought "these are your eyes in the dark" was a metaphor for spotting Hosts more easily. I didn't think it literally meant This Is Nightvision, lol
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Jun 7, 2018 21:54
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Judge Schnoopy posted:How else would they ever convey that the haptic vests are working to an audience through non-haptic media? No poo poo Johnny High Horse. It can still be a bit silly and noted as such without being some grand indictment of the show at large. What's the point of putting it in if you can do it differently without it having to be silly? Why not glasses that do a UI arrow or something on the gun?
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Jun 7, 2018 22:00
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Counterpoint - show me a single moment where she isn't. I posted it before, she is probably Logan's daughter who has never worked 1 day in her life. Consistently getting in the way of her QA and Mer team doing their job. Consistently lost Abernathy, can't figure out the simple way of chopping off his head. Has nobody she could trust and had to recruit Sizemore. Putting whatever she wanted to smuggle in Abernathy was a really stupid decision in the first place, but that was more bad writting. I don't want to get too into it because the Charlotte Hale character has double whammy of being portraited by an actor who can't act delivering lines of a badly written character. This character doesn't act like a realistic human. If your coworkers are getting killed, you priority is hide in a box until rescue team come. It doesn't matter matter if the corporate is not coming to save you. Just grab a boat and a radio and paddle to Taiwan. tino fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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Jun 7, 2018 22:07
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tino posted:
hmmm what could it mean
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Jun 7, 2018 22:10
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tino posted:This character doesn't act like a realistic human. If your coworkers are getting killed, you priority is hide in a box until rescue team come. It doesn't matter matter if the corporate is not coming to save you. Just grab a boat and a radio and paddle to Taiwan. Well, neither does MiB then. Or his daughter.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:12
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:hmmm what could it mean It loving means Tessa Thompson doesn't want to or care about playing an evil character. She is got a super star career planned out. Showrunners should just kill her off so she can do her stupid MIB movie.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:24
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tino posted:It loving means Tessa Thompson doesn't want to or care about playing an evil character. She is got a super star career planned out. Showrunners should just kill her off so she can do her stupid MIB movie. Hyper aspirational woman viewing every opportunity as a stepping stone toward bigger and better things, with nothing but scorn for the individual rungs of the ladder as she climbs them Am I describing Hale, or Thompson?! (This is why she is good, both the character and the actor)
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Jun 7, 2018 22:27
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:hmmm what could it mean I gave up on 4D chess with characterization. It's too much to hope for.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:40
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AwkwardKnob posted:Can't wait for all of you who are done with this show after the "sloppy mess" of S2 to be right back here, watching and posting in S3. If you think this season is sloppy or something, I'd encourage you to rewatch S1 without your rose-colored glasses on. They're about the same level of quality, only the narrative delivery methods have changed a bit to be more straightforward. How dare you not like my TV show, etc.
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I won't point fingers at any particular individual here but Tessa Thompson is good in a lot of stuff and my spidey sense tingles when a place as  as TVIV has mostly vague misgivings about a brown woman playing an assertive main role in a sci-fi show.
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Jun 7, 2018 23:51
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AwkwardKnob posted:Can't wait for all of you who are done with this show after the "sloppy mess" of S2 to be right back here, watching and posting in S3. If you think this season is sloppy or something, I'd encourage you to rewatch S1 without your rose-colored glasses on. They're about the same level of quality, only the narrative delivery methods have changed a bit to be more straightforward. There's also a huge difference between watching Season 1 week by week and watching it all in one go. I suspect Season 2 will be the same way. Intel&Sebastian posted:I won't point fingers at any particular individual here but Tessa Thompson is good in a lot of stuff and my spidey sense tingles when a place as It's odd that no one cares in the Expanse thread.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I won't point fingers at any particular individual here but Tessa Thompson is good in a lot of stuff and my spidey sense tingles when a place as The one criticism I have of her is that in S1 she had all the writing and setting of someone in charge, but not the charisma. It’s not a fault of her age or color or whatever, she just didn’t play it with as much, i dunno, gravitas? as she does in s2. its difficult to put into words that won’t be misconstrued as a critique on her as a person. it was just the tone of the character. i dunno. i believed her as a person in charge but just not someone who would naturally get there if that makes sense.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I won't point fingers at any particular individual here but Tessa Thompson is good in a lot of stuff and my spidey sense tingles when a place as no she's totally one note and wooden. cf. thandie newton who is good and also brown and also playing an assertive main role.
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Jun 8, 2018 00:18
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I am easily pleased and have enjoyed the entire season up to and including the last episode. Y'all some picky varmints itt.
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NOT SO EASILY PLEASED BY THIS THREAD, I SEE. 
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