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Midjack posted:They could have used it as a propaganda tool to get people to like the Jerkoff poo poo Fighter a little better, maybe. And maybe if Ryan Reynolds had been flying an F-15, people would've liked 'Green Lantern' just that little bit more. I really doubt it, but hey.
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The biggest problem with Top Gun is that cowboys and indians in the sky has zero relevance to our time. It's not exactly ray bans rock and roll beach volleyball time to cluster bomb a wedding.
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Jun 3, 2018 00:57
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I'm the lockmart star opposite the USAAF insignia
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Ola posted:The biggest problem with Top Gun is that cowboys and indians in the sky has zero relevance to our time. It's not exactly ray bans rock and roll beach volleyball time to cluster bomb a wedding. Yeah, that final dogfight scene would have never happened. The Enterprise would've had BARCAPs already aloft and had been surrounded by enough shipborne air defense from her battlegroup to handle six bogies and twelve potential vampires well before they made it within *400* miles of the carrier. But as it says in the anniversary-edition commentary, the thing all the pilots and advisors hated hearing was when Tony Scott said that a particular part/interaction/scene that made no sense to *them* was for the sake of "Mom, Pop, and Oklahoma." Something I never knew about the F-14 that I learned from the new Haynes "manual": When an F-14 (any variant) went aloft with six AIM-54s, they called it a "Doomsday loadout" because the airframe couldn't safely land back on the boat if they didn't fire at least a few off. That's why they generally never carried more than two of them.
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Aircraft routinely can’t return to the carrier with their takeoff weapons loadout. We’ve dumped a lot of unused bombs in the ocean.
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Jun 3, 2018 12:55
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Yeah it's a thing as old as aircraft warfare. Anything that carries heavy armaments dumps them before landing. Another example I know off the top of my head is German bombers dumping like a billion bombs into the channel returning from England when they couldn't find their targets during night raids.
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Truga posted:Yeah it's a thing as old as aircraft warfare. Anything that carries heavy armaments dumps them before landing. Another example I know off the top of my head is German bombers dumping like a billion bombs into the channel returning from England when they couldn't find their targets during night raids. US bombers too, if they turned around prior to the target for whatever reason. The Phoenix was a loving HUGE missile.
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Jun 3, 2018 13:58
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Why would you dump the bombs into the channel and not at least gently caress up some perfidious british dandelions Also the F-35 is a sexy plane imo
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mlmp08 posted:Aircraft routinely can’t return to the carrier with their takeoff weapons loadout. We’ve dumped a lot of unused bombs in the ocean. Aside from weight concerns, it's generally a bad idea to land with a shitload of armed explosives attached.
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mlmp08 posted:Aircraft routinely can’t return to the carrier with their takeoff weapons loadout. We’ve dumped a lot of unused bombs in the ocean. Not even limited to murder weapons either; the commercial aircraft that don't have the capability to dump fuel will fly circuits to get to a safe landing weight in case of emergency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetBlue_Flight_292 posted:The pilots flew the aircraft, which can carry up to 46,860 pounds (21,255 kg) of aviation fuel, in a figure eight pattern between Bob Hope Airport in Burbank and LAX for more than two hours in order to burn fuel and lower the risk of fire upon landing. This also served to lighten the plane, reducing potential stress on the landing gear and dramatically lowering landing speed as well.[4][5] The Airbus A320 does not have the mechanical facility to dump fuel,[6] despite various news agencies reporting that the aircraft was doing so over the ocean.
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Jun 3, 2018 19:56
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 Oh, I’ve got me a car, it’s as big as a whale~
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Jun 3, 2018 21:39
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HookedOnChthonics posted:
Is that in WA state on its way to MoF?
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Jun 3, 2018 21:46
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The street sign for SR 900 implies yes
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Jun 3, 2018 22:29
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Yep! This is just south of Boeing Field.
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Jun 4, 2018 02:18
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Are they going to glue the wings back on?
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Jun 4, 2018 02:19
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drgitlin posted:Are they going to glue the wings back on? usually they use screws and stuff
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Hi plane thread! I think you've helped me identify some stuff before so I've got a question for you. I'm trying to identify some film material I'm working with and only have some planes for reference! What are these planes? The material seems to be from the spanish civil war. Are the planes + the insignia on the dude Nationalist/Republican/International brigade?   + some blurry biplanes  
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Jun 4, 2018 12:05
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That's a tante ju, so it's almost certainly the fascists unless it's a captured one.
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Jun 4, 2018 12:20
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No corrugated skin. I think the bomber is a SM-79 Sparviero.
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Jun 4, 2018 12:36
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Huh. Yeah, that's what it appears to be, actually. I just saw 3 props and big plane and didn't bother zooming in because I'm dumb, sorry
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The biplanes could also be Fiat cr. 32s although that's harder because they look very similar to the Hs 123 already mentioned.
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Thanks! Looks like a Sparviero, at least it got the same oddly shaped window next to the door. The footage is in a very curiously edited reel of newsreel material. I have a news segment of senator Hiram Bingham flying his autogyro to Washington (the film material has date codes that would date it to 1931). His return trip is suddenly crosscut with aerial combat footage so that it looks like he was shot down by the biplanes in my last post... Probalby just coincidence, but I was very confused going through the stuff. The material and title credits for the combat footage is probably just lost (the material is in bad shape). On the other hand the ceramic film splice seems old, it's as deteriorated as the rest of the reel. It could be that someone played a prank on audiences 30s. Here's a bonus autogyro on capitol hill(?): 
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Jaguars! posted:No corrugated skin. I think the bomber is a SM-79 Sparviero. It's definitely an SM-79, that hump above the cockpit is distinctive. The biplanes are also almost certainly Cr.32s. They do look similar to Hs-123s but the Hs has a much thicker, singular strut going to the landing gear, where as the 32s have two thinner struts which appear to be what those planes have. The CR.32 also has a smaller lower wing than the Hs does compared to the upper wings. Playing a shitload of War Thunder has upped my obscure plane spotting ability like whoa 
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Sagebrush posted:Particularly the -C model. The -A is okay looking but the -C just has really bad proportions. I kinda like it, but yeah it really does have a slightly awkward nose-to-rear control surface (lack of) length/squatiness about it. But let's be honest here the B52 has that same "man those wings is long as gently caress for it's body" thing going on as well
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Jun 6, 2018 14:51
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When an eagle turns your nosecone into a Jackson Pollock.
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540kts at 400ft sounds sporty
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drunkill posted:When an eagle turns your nosecone into a Jackson Pollock. That is peak Australia
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Peak Australia would have been NOE and taking out a kangaroo
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slidebite posted:Peak Australia would have been NOE and taking out a kangaroo With XXXX Gold or VB in the cockpit
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slidebite posted:Peak Australia would have been NOE and taking out
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Peak Australia would be an entire squadron all hitting Emus and crashing.
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OK, came across another weird ferry story involving the Fw 190. Generaloberst Ritter von Greim was appointed by Hitler to be the new head of the Luftwaffe and the RLM - when he arrested Goering for trying to keep continuity of Government, because Martin Bormann, despite being with Hitler in the deathbunker and the distance the Red Army was from said bunker being often quoted in city blocks, decided he could use Hitler's paranoia and anger to get rid of a rival in the now farcically named Thousand Year Reich. (Nazis were dicks, right to the end.) Anyway, von Greim was ordered to personally report to the deathbunker, and for some goddamn reason von Greim choose to do this, first flying to an airport 150 miles out of Berlin to use their helicopter. (The last helicopter had been destoryed in an air raid. He'd brought along Hanna Reitsch to fly the helicopter, and so when a Fw 190 was produced to fly them to Gatow, the pilot flew the plane, the General crammed himself into the space behind, and Reitsch was stowed behind in the dark compartment, while the pilot dodged several Red Air Force patrols to arrive at Gatow, under attack by Red Army artillery. Hustled into a bomb shelter, von Greim makes a call to the deathbunker, and despite confirming that now most of Berlin proper was in Red Army hands, reiterate the utmost importance of reporting to the goddamn bunker personally. So Reitsch suggests flying there in a Fiesler Storch which happened to be as yet un-blown up. This they do, and half the Red Army takes pot shots at them, and at one point von Griem is struck and looses conciousness. Reitsch lands in the (former) government section of Berlin, stopping just in front of the Brandenburg Gate, amid the busted vehicles, munumental rubble, and shell pockmarks. A truck is there to meet them, and Reitsch shuffles her passenger to the deathbunker, so Hitler's personal doctor can see to him. Hitler appears, like some sort of burnt out amphetamine ghost, promotes the maybe conscious von Greim to Generalfieldmarshall and then enters into an extended delusion of the defense of Berlin...that night, Red Army shells impacted over the deathbunker for the first time.
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 Did Hitler make it out???
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slidebite posted:
lol Von Greim would be flown out by Reitsch almost immediately after in an advanced trainer, with the important message of "gently caress HIMMLER FOR TRYING TO SURRENDER". Von Griem would kill himself after surrendering to the Allies.
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Nebakenezzer posted:OK, came across another weird ferry story involving the Fw 190. There was then the further insanity of the attempts to get von Greim and Reitsch back out of Berlin - six more Fi-156 Storches are dispatched with two-dozen escorting fighters (Bf109Gs, 109Ks and Fw190s, it seems) but they were hassled by Soviet fighters and AA fire. Two of the Storches crashed and none managed to land on what is now the 17 Juni Strasse. The next day a different tactic is chosen, with a single Arado Ar 96 (two-seater advanced trainer) dashing it at roof-top level, landing near the Brandenburg Gate and skimming back to Gatow. Reitsch again had to fold herself into the fuselage locker while von Greim is in the rear seat. I have a book with picture showing a very damaged Fi156 (broken windows, blown tyres, control surfaces riddled with bullet holes and, strangely enough, folded wings) on a Berlin street with the Brandenburg Gate just visible over the remains of the buildings in the background, being inspected by Soviet troops. The caption says that although it could not be confirmed, it was very likely the one which Reitsch landed with the injured von Greim.
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BalloonFish posted:I have a book with picture showing a very damaged Fi156 (broken windows, blown tyres, control surfaces riddled with bullet holes and, strangely enough, folded wings) on a Berlin street with the Brandenburg Gate just visible over the remains of the buildings in the background, being inspected by Soviet troops. The caption says that although it could not be confirmed, it was very likely the one which Reitsch landed with the injured von Greim. This photo: you must scan & post it.
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slidebite posted:
I recall that the morning Hitler suicided he had a ceremony for some hitler youth, after which a couple were asked to stick around and haul gas cans up the stairs to the nearby field and help with the incinerations.
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BalloonFish posted:There was then the further insanity of the attempts to get von Greim and Reitsch back out of Berlin - six more Fi-156 Storches are dispatched with two-dozen escorting fighters (Bf109Gs, 109Ks and Fw190s, it seems) but they were hassled by Soviet fighters and AA fire. Two of the Storches crashed and none managed to land on what is now the 17 Juni Strasse. The next day a different tactic is chosen, with a single Arado Ar 96 (two-seater advanced trainer) dashing it at roof-top level, landing near the Brandenburg Gate and skimming back to Gatow. Reitsch again had to fold herself into the fuselage locker while von Greim is in the rear seat. I'm glad to hear the pilot who flew in the Ar 96 also flew out; the book I was reading mentioned that it was the same pilot who flew the transport Fw 190 earlier, but didn't mention that he got out of Berlin.
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PainterofCrap posted:This photo: you must scan & post it.  No scanner, but here's a photo of a photo. It's been about 10 years since I cracked open this book so I clearly misremembered some things - the Stoch is much more damaged (it seems to have been on fire), it's clearly not near the Brandenburg Gate but it is in the Tiergarten (that's the Victory Column in the background) and it's being checked out by a British soldier, not Soviet. The strange thing is that I've never seen this picture anywhere else, and this book (B. Johnson's Classic Aircraft, published by Channel 4 of all people) is a fairly light, if pretty accurate and wide-ranging, general aviation history. It dedicates a few pages to the Storch in a chapter than also covers the Lysander and the PR Spitfires. Given that, with the rescue of Mussolini, the flight into Berlin is one of the Storch's more famous exploits you'd think the photo would be more widely-published - none of my Storch-specific books have it. If it wasn't so obviously taken in the Tiergarten it would almost make me doubt its authenticity. As far as I can make out, the Storch is here: https://zoom.earth/#52.515062,13.352554,19z,sat You can see from the picture that you're looking at the statue on the column's back, and apparently it faces west. The neoclassical building is a gatehouse or lodge on the edge of the traffic circle around the column, which is still there. The thing that intrigues me is that it's hardly in a convenient spot for getting to the bunker at the other end of 17 Juni Strasse and south of the Brandenburg Gate - two kilometers that in April 1945, would not have been a walk in the park (literally!). Surely you'd ideally want to land at the other end of the street, nearer the gate? The Storch could certainly do it. So perhaps the Fi156 in the photo is von Greim/Reitsch's Storch, which was damaged and had to be put down ASAP. Or perhaps it's one of the ones from the attempt the next day, put out of action by Soviet AA and which put down over a mile short of its objective? Nebakenezzer posted:I'm glad to hear the pilot who flew in the Ar 96 also flew out; the book I was reading mentioned that it was the same pilot who flew the transport Fw 190 earlier, but didn't mention that he got out of Berlin. I've also read that the unidentified pilot was one of the survivors of the doomed Storch flight the previous day. He had a dangerously exciting end to the war! BalloonFish fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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