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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Sports Argument Stadium > The Football Funhouse > 2017 The NFC North: Fuck the entire NFC North. Including my own team.

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Ultra Carp

Pops Mgee posted:

He’s a Lion

Yeah, and now he's getting penalized for it. :colbert:

:colbert:

# ? Jun 6, 2018 22:46

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# ? May 19, 2024 16:55

American McGay: Feb 28, 2010; by sebmojo

lmao

# ? Jun 6, 2018 23:14

Play: Apr 25, 2006; Strong stroll for a mangy stray

The holding is ridiculous these days. If you actually keep your eye on the rushers there's holding nearly every passing down. But the officials don't want to stop the game for anything but the most flagrant and obvious holds, which I guess I understand. If the officials won't call it over and over then in reality it's not really holding even if the rules haven't technically changed

# ? Jun 6, 2018 23:47

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/...773f764d66.html

quote:

GREEN BAY � Joe Whitt chose his words cautiously � out of respect for Dom Capers as a person, coach and mentor.

Whitt had just been asked how the Green Bay Packers defense has changed in the wake of coach Mike McCarthy�s decision in January to hire Mike Pettine to replace Capers as the team�s defensive coordinator, and Whitt wanted to be careful not to say anything that would disparage Capers, who�d held the job for nine seasons.

Nevertheless, a picture of the biggest difference between Capers and Pettine is emerging from players and coaches alike this offseason: After some obvious confusion and miscommunication on defense last season � and, at times, in prior years � Pettine�s KILL (Keep It Likable and Learnable) philosophy has been a hit, because everyone involved believes it�ll eliminate those moments of uncertainty that too often resulted in big plays by opposing offenses.

�I don�t want to get into comparisons of what we did in the past and what we�re doing now,� Whitt, who was promoted to defensive pass-game coordinator this offseason, said following Thursday�s open organized team activity practice. �What I will say is, what we�re doing right now, we�re trying to make sure that everything is as simple as possible so when they run through that tunnel, we remove doubt out of the equation. If we can remove doubt out of the equation as coaches, that allows them to play fast and now you can see the true athletic ability and play-making ability of the players.

�If they�re out there thinking, (that�s problematic). You cannot tell the difference between a confused player and a coward � because they both move slowly. If you take that doubt out of the equation, now they�ll play fast, they�ll play with an edge and we�ll play with a tilted field. That�s what we�re trying to do.�

Before the offseason program kicked off in mid-April, third-year defenders Kenny Clark and Blake Martinez said Pettine reached out to all the defensive players to explain to them his expectations. At that point, the players hadn�t even been in a meeting room with Pettine, whose message to players had been about his commitment to reducing mental errors and being more demanding of players.

On April 17, Pettine met with the players for the first time, and he admitted on Thursday that first meeting �lasted a long time. There were a lot of points I wanted to make sure I covered.� The most important? Mindset is more critical than scheme.

�We want to make sure we have a cutting-edge playbook and we do some things that we gear toward the opponent, and you have some graduate-level stuff. But, at the same time, it shouldn�t matter,� Pettine explained. �It�s more important how we play and not what we play.

�I told them, �We can line up in one defense, but as long as we play with great passion, great technique that we should be able to stop people if the call sheet�s very limited.� I think that we�ve got the buy-in from that.�

Last year, the Packers finished 26th in scoring defense (24.0 per game), 22nd in yards allowed (348.9), 17th against the run (112.1), 23rd against the pass (236.8), 28th in third-down defense (allowing a 42.8 percent conversion rate) and 31st in red-zone defense (allowing a 65.2 percent touchdown rate).

The Packers also finished the season tied for 17th in sacks with 37 and tied for 20th in interceptions with 11.

It�s hard to say how much of that was because young, inexperienced players didn�t understand their responsibilities, how much was just poor execution of Capers� calls and how much was a lack of top-tier defensive players on the roster. Last month, longtime cornerback Tramon Williams, who played for Capers earlier in his Packers career and for Pettine in Cleveland when he was the head coach of the Browns, said Capers� scheme had become antiquated while Pettine�s is a more �modern-day� system.

Even so, Pettine said he spent the two years he was out of football after his firing in Cleveland reexamining his system to make sure it hadn�t become too convoluted. That streamlined approach, he believes, will benefit his guys this season.

�I was fortunate in the time that I had off that I was able to break (the scheme) down to nothing and then build it back up and take out a lot of things that didn�t make sense,� explained Pettine, who has never coordinated a defense that finished outside the NFL�s top 10 in fewest yards allowed. �Over time, you start adding exceptions or you add something new or you add a tweak and then it just starts to accumulate, and you always want to be able to go back to that foundation.

�It just made it a lot cleaner.�

For instance, Whitt explained, Pettine wants simple terminology that eliminates any confusion with what a play-call might be. Thus, Whitt said, each word used in a play-call � whether a pressure, coverage or defensive front �has only one meaning.

�If we couldn�t make it fit and it (wasn�t) easy for them to learn, we didn�t want it in the package,� Whitt explained. �(We�d) say, �OK, what are we going to call this? Well, if we call it this, down the road are we going to want to use that term for something else?� Because every term means one thing (in Pettine�s scheme). So when they hear it, they can get right to it.

�At the end of the day, like my dad always says, �They�ve got 11, we�ve got 11. Once they start playing with 12, it makes it a lot more difficult. But as long as we�re playing 11 on 11, football is football.� There�s only so many fronts and coverages that you can play.�

And in Pettine�s game plans, the idea is to not have more than the players can master in a given week.

�I think you have to prioritize what defenses you�re going to play, that you have to be confident as a coach that I can go into this game with like 25, 30 defenses as opposed to (years ago) when we were taking 50, 55 calls into a game. You just don�t have time to rep those anymore, especially with so many young guys on the defense,� Pettine said.

�Today�s NFL, you�ve got some many guys on the first contract that you have to adjust your coaching style to them. I think you have to be able to streamline it and be confident as a coach and say, �These are the 25 calls I know that are going to work against this team in a given game.�

�I know I�ve done it in the past, where you kind of get that security blanket of, �You know I have 50 calls and everything�s covered.� But it�s 50 calls that you might not necessarily be as dialed in (on) as you should be if you pick the best 25.�

This is either going to work fantastically or implode fantastically.

# ? Jun 7, 2018 01:05

Abugadu: Jul 12, 2004; 1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.

If it implodes it'll be no different from last year, so let's go all in on this poo poo. We have a stupid amount of high draft picks on the defense, we shouldn't be next to last in any category.

# ? Jun 7, 2018 01:29

latinotwink1997: Jan 2, 2008; Taste my Ball of Hope, foul dragon!

I liked Pettine when he ran the Bills defense. Always knew it was a bad idea to go to the Browns.

# ? Jun 7, 2018 03:24

Raku: Nov 7, 2012; Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

Roll Tide

Was Pettine the most successful coach of the new browns?

# ? Jun 7, 2018 04:39

Flikken: Oct 23, 2009; 10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Raku posted:

Was Pettine the most successful coach of the new browns?

Romeo got us to 10 wins.

And Butch Davis got us 9 wins and a playoffs berth.

# ? Jun 7, 2018 09:04

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

*sees another aspect of the Lions running game has been destroyed*

Matt Millen's insane fever dream of Detroit running the A-11 offense on every single down might still happen.

# ? Jun 7, 2018 09:33

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Ultra Carp

Jesus this is sad.

https://twitter.com/mistochristopho/status/1004397876984860672?s=19

# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:05

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Raku posted:

Was Pettine the most successful coach of the new browns?

Flikken posted:

Romeo got us to 10 wins.

And Butch Davis got us 9 wins and a playoffs berth.

After Romeo, the Browns had gone 4-12, 5-11, 5-11, 4-12, 5-11, 4-12, hired Pettine, went 6-3, then lost 5 straight to close 7-9, went 3-13 the next season and Pettine was fired. Browns have gone 1-15 and 0-16 since then.

There was an article I was reading a few months ago about how Pettine's second and final season with the Browns was enormously hobbled by the front office and that you shouldn't put too much stock in his performance there. I can't find this article again but I'm not sure how seriously to take it.

The 2014 Browns had a top 10 defense for points allowed and top 10 for passing yards, touchdowns, and interceptions (#2 there). They were, unfortunately, the worst rushing defense in the league by yards, which probably played a part in these gaudy pass defense stats.

If you're thinking optimistic, you're looking at his peaks with the Jets, Bills, and Browns and then looking at the Packers' deficiencies and getting very excited. If you're thinking pessimistically, you're looking at how his defenses have gradually declined since coaching an incredible 2009 Jets defense, and at that article talking about how Pettine doesn't believe too much in scheme and more about attitude, and you're getting worried.

SKULL.GIF fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jun 7, 2018

# ? Jun 7, 2018 18:22

Leon Einstein: Feb 6, 2012; I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

Eh, it really can't be much worse than last year.

# ? Jun 7, 2018 21:44

Play: Apr 25, 2006; Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Leon Einstein posted:

Eh, it really can't be much worse than last year.

Yeah I agree with this, it's worth a try. That defense was a loving travesty last year especially on third down and obviously the management and coaching wasn't getting it done

# ? Jun 7, 2018 22:33

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

https://twitter.com/PFF_Packers/status/1003810073192235008

# ? Jun 8, 2018 04:33

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Ultra Carp

oh hey look at that, Carlos is being an idiot again

https://twitter.com/freep/status/1005110923097325568?s=19

# ? Jun 8, 2018 17:14

Play: Apr 25, 2006; Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Acebuckeye13 posted:

oh hey look at that, Carlos is being an idiot again

https://twitter.com/freep/status/1005110923097325568?s=19

If running is a valid form of punishment this tubby little gang rapist owes us twenty laps... around the world

# ? Jun 8, 2018 18:23

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Carlos is so bad, I can almost tell if he's dispensing hot takes by the tweet headline alone. Not even Drew Sharp was that blatant

# ? Jun 8, 2018 20:16

Parallelwoody: Apr 10, 2008

The less said and posted about monarrez, the better.

# ? Jun 8, 2018 22:10

Henchman of Santa: Aug 21, 2010

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Carlos is so bad, I can almost tell if he's dispensing hot takes by the tweet headline alone. Not even Drew Sharp was that blatant

He tried to absorb Sharp�s soul but he�s not nearly as good of a writer. With Sharp you could tell he was having fun with it.

# ? Jun 9, 2018 15:24

Timby: Dec 23, 2006; Your mother!

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Jesus this is sad.

https://twitter.com/mistochristopho/status/1004397876984860672?s=19

I'm pretty sure Cutler holds most, if not all, of the Bears' career passing records. He was literally the best quarterback the team ever had not named Sid Luckman, and both the team and its fans did everything they could to run him out of town with a pitchfork.

# ? Jun 10, 2018 02:29

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

Timby posted:

I'm pretty sure Cutler holds most, if not all, of the Bears' career passing records. He was literally the best quarterback the team ever had not named Sid Luckman, and both the team and its fans did everything they could to run him out of town with a pitchfork.

Jay Cutler's best season in Chicago featured 28 passing TD's and 3,812 yards.

Blake Bortles' best season in Jacksonville featured 35 passing TD's and 4,428 yards.

# ? Jun 10, 2018 02:58

sweet geek swag: Mar 29, 2006; Adjust lasers to FUN!

Gonz posted:

Jay Cutler's best season in Chicago featured 28 passing TD's and 3,812 yards.

Blake Bortles' best season in Jacksonville featured 35 passing TD's and 4,428 yards.

On the other hand, everyone but Cutler and Forte on the bears offense sucked.

# ? Jun 10, 2018 03:45

Rod Hoofhearted: Jun 18, 2000; I am a ghost

I have a theory that Soldier Field being right on Lake Michigan messes up the passing game. It may not always be windy, but when it is, it's a weird sort of windy that fucks poo poo up. Sometimes good QB's have bad games there. Meanwhile, Bears QBs have to play there 8 games a season. Therefore you get above average QBs looking average, and mediocre QBs end up looking godawful.

# ? Jun 10, 2018 05:33

Play: Apr 25, 2006; Strong stroll for a mangy stray

I wouldn't be surprised if a dude who only played half the season could beat the cutler bears in yardage

I am surprised that Bortles put up such decent numbers though. I kinda figured him as an always-below-4k kind of qb

# ? Jun 10, 2018 17:11

WHOOPS: Nov 6, 2009

they weren�t decent numbers, they were just high. Bortles has sub-60% completion and lead the league with 18 INTs that same year.

# ? Jun 10, 2018 19:18

Sataere: Jul 20, 2005; Step 1: Start fight
Step 2: Attack straw man
Step 3: REPEAT

Do not engage with me

Play posted:

I wouldn't be surprised if a dude who only played half the season could beat the cutler bears in yardage

I am surprised that Bortles put up such decent numbers though. I kinda figured him as an always-below-4k kind of qb

Don't mistake quantity for quality. He was a stat compiler when he got those numbers in 2015. I'm sure 75% of those numbers came in the 4th quarter when the team was down by 20.

# ? Jun 10, 2018 19:27

Play: Apr 25, 2006; Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Sataere posted:

Don't mistake quantity for quality. He was a stat compiler when he got those numbers in 2015. I'm sure 75% of those numbers came in the 4th quarter when the team was down by 20.

True, and he was also throwing to Allen Robinson as WR1 who cleaned up his messes by catching everything. Robinson did the same thing for Christian Hackenberg and may even be to blame for making people think Hack was draftable.

To bring it back around to the NFC North, I'm really excited to see what Robinson can do in Chicago. If he can get back in to form just him alone would make a big difference to that team, not to mention all the other FAs and draftees. It'll be interesting to see how this whole Trubs thing goes, especially with some actually good receivers and a new head coach.

# ? Jun 11, 2018 17:44

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Ultra Carp

Lions posted a neat video for Dad's day:

https://twitter.com/Lions/status/1008319638181236736?s=19

# ? Jun 17, 2018 18:55

SolusLunes: Oct 10, 2011; I now have several regrets.

Parallelwoody posted:

The less said and posted about monarrez, the better.

Can we just ship him to Chicago or New England and be done with it?

# ? Jun 22, 2018 14:15

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Getting caught up on some Packers stuff after a while focusing on other things...

https://twitter.com/WildeAndTausch/status/1009487480096280582

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/22/tony-romo-is-a-big-fan-of-the-packers-getting-jimmy-graham/

quote:

�The Jimmy Graham thing is a big deal. People don�t understand,� the former Dallas Cowboys quarterback told Peter Jackel of the Journal Times. �You�re going to see old-school Jimmy Graham. With him paired with Aaron Rodgers, you�re going to see a little different animal. In the red zone, that will be almost unstoppable.�

�I think the Packers probably got better maybe more than any other team this offseason,� Romo said. �It�s early and injuries happen, but right now, they�re right at the top for me as far as a team you wouldn�t want to see in the playoffs.�

Romo knows how a matchup-busting tight end can open up an offense and take some stress off the quarterback. He played his entire career with Pro Bowler Jason Witten. According to Romo, adding Graham will make life easier in the red zone, where Graham�s versatility will provide easy playcalling options.

�I think you�ll see them treat him as a single receiver. You�ll almost play a two-tight-end set, where one tight end will be in,� Romo said. �You�re going to run the ball to the right and, if the safety is not there, they�re going to throw the ball to Jimmy Graham. If the safety is there, they�re just going to run the football. � It�s going to be real simple in the red zone. That�s a big deal.�

I'm pretty pumped for this season in a way that I haven't been for previous Packers seasons since early this decade.

# ? Jun 23, 2018 15:13

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

https://twitter.com/AlecPhillips91/status/1010365759460118529

# ? Jun 23, 2018 20:41

Tom Funk: Feb 19, 2010

A'shawn Robinson is 23 years old going on 47.

# ? Jun 26, 2018 00:44

Henchman of Santa: Aug 21, 2010

Tom Funk posted:

A'shawn Robinson is 23 years old going on 47.

Look up his baby picture

# ? Jun 26, 2018 00:47

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Ultra Carp

To save everyone the time:

Acebuckeye13 posted:

I hadn't, so looked it up:

https://twitter.com/TaylorRooks/status/682751156007874560

# ? Jun 26, 2018 04:11

Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg: Oct 4, 2004; ha, ha, ha, og me ekam

Acebuckeye13 posted:

To save everyone the time:

I refuse to believe that's at 2 months...

# ? Jun 26, 2018 06:32

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

Poor Momma Robinson had to give birth to a 3 year old.

# ? Jun 26, 2018 09:07

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

Acebuckeye13 posted:

I hadn't, so looked it up:

https://twitter.com/TaylorRooks/status/682751156007874560

2-sport athlete. Played in the Little League World Series, in fact.

# ? Jun 26, 2018 14:58

Dubious: Mar 7, 2006; The Heroes the Vikings Deserve; Lipstick Apathy

hunter just got paid

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1011982906644983808

Between Diggs and Barr, which one gets let go after the season?

# ? Jun 27, 2018 18:05

WHOOPS: Nov 6, 2009

of those two, Barr, but i think it�s more likely they keep both and structure the contracts to stay reasonable for a year or two and cut Griffin after 2019. with only a $15m signing bonus, I could see Hunter�s being structured around that, too.

Hunter was the absolute keeper of all of them. he�s still only 23.

# ? Jun 27, 2018 18:20

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# ? May 19, 2024 16:55

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Ultra Carp

Dubious posted:

hunter just got paid

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1011982906644983808

Between Diggs and Barr, which one gets let go after the season?

Comedy answer: Cousins :v:

:v:

# ? Jun 27, 2018 18:40

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