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facialimpediment posted:Allies are basically finding out now that Trump has been consistent on trade since the 1980s and there's no amount of flattery that will make him stop from doing dumb poo poo on trade. As you said, the "mad oval office" approach to diplomacy hasn't really been tried yet.
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I think we're right on the cusp of having the world collectively telling us to gently caress off and I can't remotely blame them. Frankly, I say do it.
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facialimpediment posted:Allies are basically finding out now that Trump has been consistent on trade since the 1980s and there's no amount of flattery that will make him stop from doing dumb poo poo on trade. Have they considered making a sweetheart deal for Trump properties that gives him, personally, money directly into his bank account? Seems to be working for China, and since  gently caress the rule of law.
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Jun 8, 2018 04:06
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This really is the twilight of our nation. How the gently caress do we recover from this idiot destroying our international reputation in less than two years, and how do we even begin to prevent another moron from doing it again?
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Jun 8, 2018 04:10
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lighten up clarences
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Reality TV show host. e: oh I'm not sad. I think it's hilarious.
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Fister Roboto posted:This really is the twilight of our nation. How the gently caress do we recover from this idiot destroying our international reputation in less than two years, and how do we even begin to prevent another moron from doing it again? Because the strategic interests of Canada and Mexico and the rest of Europe have not changed, and the United States remains the best guarantor of those interests. I'll bet  that a year into a Democratic - or even a saner Republican - administration and everyone will be quietly hopping back into bed with us. All of that changes if he's reelected of course. A 4 year blip in an otherwise extraordinary record is one thing. Re-electing a madman is quite another.
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Fister Roboto posted:This really is the twilight of our nation. How the gently caress do we recover from this idiot destroying our international reputation in less than two years, and how do we even begin to prevent another moron from doing it again? You'll be fine. First thing after thing bastard is gone is you'll knock down what a president can do. Second thing, you'll be nice to everyone and we'll all reverse poo poo. It's *seriously* not in our interests to have this poo poo fall over.
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Jun 8, 2018 04:14
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"extraordinary" loving lmao Forget the Iraq War so soon do we
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I had an interesting conversation with an Iraqi helicopter pilot who was in San Antonio for school a few years ago. This was when ISIS had taken Mosul, Iraqi army had collapsed, Kurds were making independence noises, sunnis were real pissed at the Shia, before al-Malaki had stepped down, etc. Basically, his family was moderately decently off, could probably afford/figure out how to get out of the country. Currently in an okay place, but the country was looking like it was going down hill pretty fast. He started asking me how long you stick around for, how long you fight for your vision of your country, and what you should be willing to risk for that vision. I didn't have a real good answer for him. Seems like a lot of people who resist assholes have pretty horrible ends for them and their loved ones, as opposed to being the hero of the story who makes it to the end. Or you keep your head down and try to mostly ignore the horrible poo poo happening and to some extent become complicit. Or you decide you probably won't be able to fix it and just try to get away before it catches up with you and yours. Or you fight and win, but honestly that's not that common. Question I've been thinking about a lot, especially recently, but honestly for a longer time than just the Trump era due to a lot of the war on terror poo poo. Still no real good answers.
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:"extraordinary" loving lmao Some of us non-US people have some faith left. I have no loving idea why, but I believe in you motherfuckers.
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There's a good Doc on the Afghanistan war that involves a general in the ANA who cared more about his country than anything else. Made a huge difference in the way things happened, fought tooth and nail for his country to get better. Then he died in a helicopter crash and now Afghanistan is the way it is. Who knows if he would have made a difference in the end? But he made a difference while he was around. And as much as I want to leave, I'd rather follow his example and try to make things better while I'm still here.
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Crakkerjakk posted:I had an interesting conversation with an Iraqi helicopter pilot who was in San Antonio for school a few years ago. This was when ISIS had taken Mosul, Iraqi army had collapsed, Kurds were making independence noises, sunnis were real pissed at the Shia, before al-Malaki had stepped down, etc. Manhattan is some un-loving-believably good TV when in this mindset fyi
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Crakkerjakk posted:I had an interesting conversation with an Iraqi helicopter pilot who was in San Antonio for school a few years ago. This was when ISIS had taken Mosul, Iraqi army had collapsed, Kurds were making independence noises, sunnis were real pissed at the Shia, before al-Malaki had stepped down, etc. Tbf, there’s more than a few examples of countries where the educated middle class said, “well, that certainly couldn’t happen here!” only to find themselves bewildered when it does. Those with the means flee, those without stay and make their choice to fight and perhaps die or to acquiesce and hope to be spared. I firmly believe that the next time some Cliven Buddy type tries something dumb under a future Democratic administration, it’s going to touch off something bloody and awful by either design or stupidity. What scares me more is not being able to tell the difference between the two.
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That's ok, there isn't one. Revolutions are led exclusively by fools who think they can put the bloodlust genie back in the bottle after it's done serving them.
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Jun 8, 2018 04:53
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turning this around would be the exception
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Before anybody goes whatabout the american revolution, well remember that was less a revolution and more of a kickoff BBQ for a one hundred year campaign of westward expansion that would make Alexander or Ghengis blush. The big lesson of American history is that genocide works but you gotta be really 100% All In.
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Hexyflexy posted:You'll be fine. First thing after thing bastard is gone is you'll knock down what a president can do. Second thing, you'll be nice to everyone and we'll all reverse poo poo. It's *seriously* not in our interests to have this poo poo fall over. Yeah and then the pendulum swings back even farther to the right when that's done and we get someone even worse who reverses all of that. Like seriously, the moment a Democrat gets into the WH and tries to repair all this poo poo, the right is going to start screaming bloody murder, just like they did with Obama, but even louder.
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Jun 8, 2018 05:09
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welp might as well give up then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Oh gently caress off. I'm not saying nothing matters, but something major needs to change if we don't want to stay locked in this stupid loving cycle with the dumber and shittier half of our country dragging us closer to the edge each time. gently caress if I'm smart enough to know what that is though.
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Fister Roboto posted:Oh gently caress off. I'm not saying nothing matters, but something major needs to change if we don't want to stay locked in this stupid loving cycle with the dumber and shittier half of our country dragging us closer to the edge each time. gently caress if I'm smart enough to know what that is though. Sherman knew.
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Fister Roboto posted:Oh gently caress off. I'm not saying nothing matters, but something major needs to change if we don't want to stay locked in this stupid loving cycle with the dumber and shittier half of our country dragging us closer to the edge each time. gently caress if I'm smart enough to know what that is though. aren't you though?
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The pendulum hasn't even swung left in our lifetimes lol
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The Iron Rose posted:Because the strategic interests of Canada and Mexico and the rest of Europe have not changed, and the United States remains the best guarantor of those interests. I'll bet You're assuming that Russia and China aren't actively spreading their influence around the globe while the US is currently sitting around making GBS threads itself accomplishing nothing of value. Like in this 4 year blip, China will have most of Africa's balls in a vice grip and the US will be playing catch up the entire time to curb their influence and that's if Trump doesn't get re-elected.
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can't wait for serious business posters to  their way through the 2020 election and then not vote/vote third party lolit's going to bigly own
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Chinese influence is unironically 100% pith hat style colonialism, tho
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Proud Christian Mom posted:The pendulum hasn't even swung left in our lifetimes lol It won't either lol
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Eej posted:You're assuming that Russia and China aren't actively spreading their influence around the globe while the US is currently sitting around making GBS threads itself accomplishing nothing of value. Like in this 4 year blip, China will have most of Africa's balls in a vice grip and the US will be playing catch up the entire time to curb their influence and that's if Trump doesn't get re-elected. Oh this administration is a colossal blow to US hegemony, influence, and power. It's tragic and it'll hurt a lot of people at home and abroad, both now and through the ramifications in the future. I just have faith that the international order can weather this storm and that the American public and all future administrations will take Chinese and Russian expansionism far more seriously. I'm an optimist at heart, and if I end up disappointed ten years from now, so be it. But at the very least we should all try and defend a system that, while deeply flawed and in need of reform, is far better than the current alternatives.
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Everybody's is allowed their daily moment of bewilderment and comedic despair. Then you still need to do your work because there's always something you can fail to do that will make things worse for future generations of kids to come.
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Eej posted:You're assuming that Russia and China aren't actively spreading their influence around the globe while the US is currently sitting around making GBS threads itself accomplishing nothing of value. Like in this 4 year blip, China will have most of Africa's balls in a vice grip and the US will be playing catch up the entire time to curb their influence and that's if Trump doesn't get re-elected. China has had more sway in sub-Saharan Africa than both the US and EU for 5-10 years, with the possible exception of the French-allied countries. Cheap credit without the moral strings attached by us Westerners will do that. There's also something like a million Chinese expats living over there. And afaik Chinese economic interests in countries like Argentina and Brazil are considerable as well. The Brazilian economy at least is fairly dependent on export of raw resources to China. Mind you that all of this has been taking place over the last ten or so years, so it also falls within a presidency that was competent. And tried to fight creeping Chinese influence with TTIP. But as far as I'm concerned, South America and Africa are not continents either the US or China should try to incorporate into their hegemony.
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Immanentized posted:Got a link? I'm curious, as I think CO2 storage isn't as quick and easy a fix as some firms are pushing. Here is one site, there are a few more though. https://qz.com/846093/chinas-giant-smog-sucking-tower-was-simply-no-match-for-its-air-pollution/ But lets do a quick imagination game. If you turned on your vacuum in your house 24/7, what radius around it would be dust free. Also up wind or down wind. China did have a guy go around and use a vacuum cleaner to make bricks of smog, and that was neat, but when the towers were put in they just didn't clean up much around them and some of the smog is from winter stoves burning. Now you want to replace the smog filter with a co2 filter and you got the same problems of radius and wind. The smog tower vacuum was really a chabuduo way of doing things, which is a chinese word for half assed and cutting corners. Some dutch dude just made crazy money on it because the chinese love solutions that don't touch the problem. The china forum of environmental journalists renamed the thing a smog warning tower since it didn't clean enough. The dutch inventor even told them that this isn't a solution but a reminder that the problem exists and you need to do something about it. EDIT: The dutch dude has more info here https://www.studioroosegaarde.net/data/files/2017/09/6/smogfreebicycle-roosegaarde-pressrelease  Just look at that amazing work done 10 meters away. Lol, you are gonna need hundreds of thousands of these things. Third World Reagan fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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Smog and carbon dioxide aren't the same thing though? CO2 isn't a local issue (mostly), the question is net global emissions.
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They are not the same thing but the devices work the same way, by being a vacuum.
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Edit: Not working, I'll post later.
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I read a book about the Russian Revolution that had a bit on the civil war kicking off and just chewing through the supply of educated urban idealists and power sorta defaulting to people who are none of that as a result
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crazyivan45 posted:I’m fully anticipating my only exchange option this year being a $900/mo premium, $10,000 deductible plan that’s only accepted by a few doctors that all must be within 60 miles of Memphis You also stuck in or around Memphrika? There used to be a few of us in GiP, but it looks like just you and me now man. What kinda work you do? LtCol J. Krusinski fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Sir, this is a Culver’s drive-thru. Goddamn I want me a butter burger now.
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aphid_licker posted:I read a book about the Russian Revolution that had a bit on the civil war kicking off and just chewing through the supply of educated urban idealists and power sorta defaulting to people who are none of that as a result The first people to jump ship are always the well educated, leaving their country to the Donald Trump Jr.s of the world. Which begs the question, where did all of our smart people go?
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 No more debating about the future of America, focus only on the Double Bacon Butter Burger Deluxe. With cheese curds and a root beer. EDIT: Capitols won the Stanley Cup, DC to burn. Film at 11. BigDave fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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