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Alhazred posted:The war is going pretty bad in the movie though. The troopers are slaughtered when they arrive on the bugs' homeplanet and then lose so many battles that they're forced to retreat to the planet's moons where they keep on getting overrun. If you look at it as a whole piece though those could be some of the parts that went so bad they can't gloss over them. The rosy propaganda ending is when they say "oh but now we caught their boss and we're totally gonna start killing them starting NOW so join NOW."
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Fumaofthelake posted:If you look at it as a whole piece though those could be some of the parts that went so bad they can't gloss over them. The rosy propaganda ending is when they say "oh but now we caught their boss and we're totally gonna start killing them starting NOW so join NOW." Its also implied that the army used a false flag operation by meteoring Buenos Aires to rally people to keep enlisting. The movie ends after the first actually won battle against the bugs. The sequels, well they do things.
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Der Kyhe posted:Its also implied that the army used a false flag operation by meteoring Buenos Aires to rally people to keep enlisting. I think the implication was that the meteor just kind of, you know, happened and was unrelated to any cause other than "this rock was cruising through the cosmos in no particular direction then it hit Earth." Then it was used as a convenient excuse to start a full scale war. It was a flimsy excuse at best.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I think the implication was that the meteor just kind of, you know, happened and was unrelated to any cause other than "this rock was cruising through the cosmos in no particular direction then it hit Earth." Then it was used as a convenient excuse to start a full scale war. It was a flimsy excuse at best. Bush did Buenos Aires
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Der Kyhe posted:Its also implied that the army used a false flag operation by meteoring Buenos Aires to rally people to keep enlisting. As far as I remember it was never implied in the movie. People just started to assume it was true because, how the gently caress can bugs with literally no technology manage to shoot meteors across half the universe and hit a very specific target?
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It really is jaw-dropping just how stupid Ebert could be.
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Sunswipe posted:It really is jaw-dropping just how stupid Ebert could be. Jesus.
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Sunswipe posted:It really is jaw-dropping just how stupid Ebert could be. 
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Sunswipe posted:It really is jaw-dropping just how stupid Ebert could be. I usually found him clever and insightful, so those moments really stood out.
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Jun 7, 2018 21:05
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Yeah guys but Ebert didn't like videogames so any hate is totally justified may he RIP
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the joke is that ebert had his jaw removed because of cancer! LOL !
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Ebert gave blue velvet a bad review blue loving velvet
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hawowanlawow posted:Ebert gave blue velvet a bad review I didn’t care for his review, although I think he makes his case better here: https://www.rogerebert.com/interviews/my-problem-with-blue-velvet Ebert was wrong though.
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Ebert did a great job of spreading the word of a film criticism method wherein you judge a movie by the goals it sets itself and how well it achieves those goals, which is a good and worthy thing. Ebert was definitely the most effective evangelist for getting people (any people, not just academics) to think critically about movies and the ideas of the designers behind them. He was the Neil DeGrasse Tyson of movies of his time. When a movie strayed too far from middle class morals, he got upset and saw it as a threat to society, which may or may not be true. He reacted defensively to those movies and panned them. Some of those reviews he would recant. He was smart enough to have a lot to say and wise enough to listen to. Whatever his reason for loving or hating or whatevering, he'd explain cogently and coherently, to the best of his notable ability. Sunswipe posted:It really is jaw-dropping just how stupid Ebert could be. ur mom
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MartianAgitator posted:He was the Neil DeGrasse Tyson of movies of his time. Hmm.
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Whatever his other failings, the willingness to recant something that he had said in the past makes Ebert better than 99.9% of the people you will ever read.
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CommonShore posted:Whatever his other failings, the willingness to recant something that he had said in the past makes Ebert better than 99.9% of the people you will ever read. I'm reasonably certain that makes him better than 99% of people in general.
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Just a general reminder that her show Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is really super good. Everyone should catch up before the fourth and final season
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Alhazred posted:As far as I remember it was never implied in the movie. People just started to assume it was true because, how the gently caress can bugs with literally no technology manage to shoot meteors across half the universe and hit a very specific target? That's the problem with the movie - in the books, the Bugs had their own interstellar civilisation with an equivalent level of technology to humanity.
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Actually there are no problems with the movie starship troopers
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So where did the second asteroid come from, then?
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Pick posted:Space hosed up if true
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oldpainless posted:Actually there are no problems with the movie starship troopers There's one. The satire is so good most people can't see it.
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Both the book and the movie are good sci-fi for different reasons. Also Starcraft is based on it so we can attribute pro level gaming on it as well. Just a whole lot of ripples in the pond.
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Gung-ho support of fascism is bad actually but I'm sure a point can be made that it isn't.
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ryonguy posted:Gung-ho support of fascism is bad actually but I'm sure a point can be made that it isn't. I'm pretty sure that point is "power-armor".
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fascism without race prejudice means you can actually have that black gay hitler, dude i hear she does things much differently
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hard counter posted:fascism without race prejudice means you can actually have that black gay hitler, dude “Oooh, you said amass six million views. Ok. Wow. Thought you were going in a totally different direction for a second there.”
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Id like to know more
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oldpainless posted:Id like to know more More like oldknow....more. Damnit.
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ryonguy posted:Gung-ho support of fascism is bad actually but I'm sure a point can be made that it isn't.
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I always assumed the plasma bugs just shot plasma poo poo at asteroids to launch them out into space. I've never really bothered to learn the why they would do that though. I mean really why would it? Bugs are bad.
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Len posted:I always assumed the plasma bugs just shot plasma poo poo at asteroids to launch them out into space. I've never really bothered to learn the why they would do that though. I mean really why would it? Bugs are bad. I say kill them all!
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more like oldmerciless
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Len posted:I always assumed the plasma bugs just shot plasma poo poo at asteroids to launch them out into space. I've never really bothered to learn the why they would do that though. I mean really why would it? Bugs are bad. That's how they spread their eggs or whatever to colonize other planets. I think they explained that in the movie at some point.
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Ambitious Spider posted:Just a general reminder that her show Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is really super good. Everyone should catch up before the fourth and final season 
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Starship Troopers is good because it shows that even if you gloss over the racism and misogyny inherent in fascism it (and its predecessor futurism) is still an ideology whose ideal state is that scene from the Animatrix where mech pilots get hosed up on drugs and religion before being graphically melted by robot heat rays Also I can see not including Bradbury as a father of science fiction because like Vonnegut his more literary style makes imitation difficult
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tbh i'd probably say the book itself is more naively childish than actively dystopian that's why imho verhoven's choice of actors, casting exactly the kind of obliviously smiling, vapid, superficial teenagers who'd fall head over heels for one-dimensional military jingoism, is so effective for getting a satire of it across instead of, say, looking for those war boyz from fury road to star in his movie
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