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When you finally quit that horror show this thread is going to be glorious.
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Thread celebration idea: I would take a photo of myself holding a piece of paper saying 'Shirec's boss is a piece of poo poo'
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Jun 7, 2018 20:04
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prisoner of waffles posted:Thread celebration idea: I would take a photo of myself holding a piece of paper saying 'Shirec's boss is a piece of poo poo' We find out his real name, all take selfies with a piece of paper '$realName is a piece of poo poo', make a collage and post it on reddit, then e-mail the link to him.
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Jun 7, 2018 20:19
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What scares me is this trajectory from pollyanna to shirec to God-knows-what makes me think the next one that will come up will literally by the Antichrist and the world is literally ending.
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Jun 7, 2018 21:53
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Working in Development: Unironic Agileocalypse
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Jun 7, 2018 21:58
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Real talk question for y’all: would I be worse off job searching if I quit? Just got out of my therapy appointment and my therapist thinks my boss is escalating rapidly. And my ability to handle it is stretched as thin as it could be.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:05
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Got to weigh whether you can afford to leave against how much the stress of living with your job impedes the search.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:10
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It depends. The standard advice is to keep your current job until a new one is lined up, but yours is so damaging that it's clearly harming you. If you have enough money saved up that you can pay all your bills for a few months, it might be worth it to get out of the bad situation first and then get the good situation sorted out.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:11
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Shirec posted:Real talk question for y’all: Normally yes. You're gonna be desperate for money, you're gonna accept whatever comes your way. And I've heard that recruiters look more favorably towards those that already have a job (why ? beats me). But, in your case, given the stress that this puts you through .. I don't know. How long can you live off your savings? Can you find a job in the meantime? Will that stress (being jobless) be better than this lovely boss? These questions only you can answer. If I'd be in your position I'd have quit a long time ago and would have taken a poo poo on his desk and punched him in the nose, but that's me and I am not you. If you think not having to work for him would make you happier, then by all means.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:12
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Shirec posted:Real talk question for yall: Where are you located and what do you normally do? We are looking for a Devops/IT person that knows Linux. I have been doing it but it's slowing me down doing everything else.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:18
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Volguus posted:And I've heard that recruiters look more favorably towards those that already have a job (why ? beats me). I don’t think they know either. ratbert90 posted:We are looking for a Devops/IT person that knows Linux. What does “knows Linux” mean in this context? Bash and shell scripting? Containers? Kernel fun? I keep seeing “knows Linux” here and there and it’s super vague.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:30
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Volguus posted:And I've heard that recruiters look more favorably towards those that already have a job (why ? beats me). Bias against the jobless (maybe with a side of just-world fallacy?)
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Jun 7, 2018 22:31
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prisoner of waffles posted:Bias against the jobless (maybe with a side of just-world fallacy?) Don’t have job = can’t do job obviously 
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Jun 7, 2018 22:32
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Pollyanna posted:I don’t think they know either. Can type ls into a command line
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Jun 7, 2018 22:39
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Pollyanna posted:Don’t have job = can’t do job obviously "Doesn't have a job -> Clearly a fuckup in this economy."
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Jun 7, 2018 22:39
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ratbert90 posted:Where are you located and what do you normally do? We are looking for a Devops/IT person that knows Linux. I have been doing it but it's slowing me down doing everything else. I’m in the Chicago area, I’ve done some DevOps and Linux scripting but it’s pretty light compared to my other dev work
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Jun 7, 2018 22:49
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Shirec's also done unit testing!
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Jun 7, 2018 23:02
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:Shirec's also done unit testing! And functional testing 
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Jun 7, 2018 23:24
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Shirec posted:Real talk question for y’all: Quitting without a job lined up is relatively unusual, so people will assume there's a story there. (IE, were you actually fired? Are you a prima donna who will quit at the drop of a hat?) Personally, I quit a steady job in order to start my own consulting business, and I've never had anyone be too concerned in the interviews I've had since. In your case, you're working for an abuser to the point where your therapist is concerned that it's having ill effects on you. I think anyone reasonable would understand your situation. It's something that you might have to find a way to explain, though. On a practical level: Do you have enough savings to survive for 3-6 months without stressing out? Will you be spending all of the time you would have spent at work doing activities related to finding a new job until you have one? The danger comes when you have a little bit of savings and decide to spend a day on the couch watching Netflix instead of sending applications/networking/etc, then another, then another, and before you know it you're staring at an empty bank account.
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Jun 8, 2018 01:57
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:Shirec's also done unit testing! Then she's ready for the REAL Xtreme Programming! fantastic in plastic posted:Quitting without a job lined up is relatively unusual, so people will assume there's a story there. (IE, were you actually fired? There are many ways you can frame an abusive work environment without calling out individuals. IIRC, Shirec worried about being able to take time off and her boss denying her that. "While I liked the work and my coworkers, I was denied time off while others were able to use their PTO without question." Another reason for Shirec is the lack of HIPPA compliance - "I could no longer in good faith be part of a company that was running afoul of the law." One of the reasons I left a previous job was that I was forced to cancel two vacations after they were approved just a couple of weeks before said vacations were to take place. (ironically this was at a company that gave you a 5% bonus on vacation time if you used all of it because too many people weren't using it all) Yes, I could take one day here or there. But string together anything more than a 4-day weekend and I was denied - after it was already approved. geeves fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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Jun 8, 2018 04:02
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Shirec, do you have experience with React or Angular, and do you have strong (but justified) opinions on how you'd architect and build a frontend? If you do, PM me.
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Jun 8, 2018 04:06
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fantastic in plastic posted:Quitting without a job lined up is relatively unusual, so people will assume there's a story there. (IE, were you actually fired? Are you a prima donna who will quit at the drop of a hat?) Personally, I quit a steady job in order to start my own consulting business, and I've never had anyone be too concerned in the interviews I've had since. In your case, you're working for an abuser to the point where your therapist is concerned that it's having ill effects on you. I think anyone reasonable would understand your situation. It's something that you might have to find a way to explain, though. Would "I found the work environment too stressful, compared to my previous professional experience" be too red flaggy? Remember that she's got office jobs on her resume from before hellboss, so it's not like a reasonable person is going to combine those data points and come to the conclusion she's a primadonna. Whether the person doing the hiring is reasonable is, well, luck of the draw, I guess.
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Jun 8, 2018 13:44
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She could also lie and just put down working there while actually having quit.
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Jun 8, 2018 13:46
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Boiled Water posted:She could also lie and just put down working there while actually having quit. That's not a great idea. If a prospective employer calls your previous employers to verify employment history, one of the only things that the previous employer is technically allowed to verify is dates of hire and termination. If those don't match your story by a significant margin - not like "I put down 'May 13,' it was actually 'May 10' but "I put down May, it was actually February" - that is quite a discrepancy to be explained.
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Jun 8, 2018 13:54
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Boiled Water posted:She could also lie and just put down working there while actually having quit. Anyone worth a drat will run a run a background check. Any background check worth a drat will catch this. It'll help you get of that environment, but you'll probably be going to prison instead of a shiny new job.
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Jun 8, 2018 15:18
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Prison?
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Jun 8, 2018 15:23
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BurntCornMuffin posted:Anyone worth a drat will run a run a background check. Lmao
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Jun 8, 2018 15:26
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ultrafilter posted:Prison? Lying on a job application is right up there with cutting the tag off a mattress.
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Jun 8, 2018 15:28
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Well rest assured I will not be fudging my hire/fire dates. Don't want to be cooling my heels along with all those wild mattress tag cutting felons
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Jun 8, 2018 16:00
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Munkeymon posted:Would "I found the work environment too stressful, compared to my previous professional experience" be too red flaggy? Remember that she's got office jobs on her resume from before hellboss, so it's not like a reasonable person is going to combine those data points and come to the conclusion she's a primadonna. Whether the person doing the hiring is reasonable is, well, luck of the draw, I guess. I would be a bit harsher. I feel like "too stressful", to someone who doesn't work in a hell-scape, sounds like "I don't like to do any work". I'd go for something like, "I've worked in a number of different office environments and, compared to them, I found this office extremely unprofessional." I like HIPAA even better -- "I was concerned about some potential HIPAA violations. When I brought these up privately with HR/my boss, I was reprimanded. I didn't want to work at a company that didn't take laws or patient privacy seriously enough to talk about it." Anything that gives the interviewer the opportunity to say "Oh! We take patient privacy seriously!" is good because then they feel good about themselves and can reassure themselves that you wouldn't quit them.
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Jun 8, 2018 17:29
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I see that the american job market is quite different from the Danish one, where calling your previous employer is up there with slapping interviewees.
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Jun 8, 2018 17:47
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Aren't I opening myself up to lawsuits if I get too specific? I doubt my current employer would ever find out but you never know
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Jun 8, 2018 18:05
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Boiled Water posted:I see that the american job market is quite different from the Danish one, where calling your previous employer is up there with slapping interviewees. On the bright side most reputable employers won't say anything more than confirming whether or not you worked there. On the other hand Shirec's company isn't reputable
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Jun 8, 2018 18:10
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Munkeymon posted:Would "I found the work environment too stressful, compared to my previous professional experience" be too red flaggy? Remember that she's got office jobs on her resume from before hellboss, so it's not like a reasonable person is going to combine those data points and come to the conclusion she's a primadonna. Whether the person doing the hiring is reasonable is, well, luck of the draw, I guess. I think phrasing it as "environment too stressful compared to previous professional experience" could raise the idea that the candidate was too stressed by engineering work compared to whatever work they were doing before. Telling stories about HIPAA violations, feedback being delivered in the form of multiple-hour-long 1:1 dressings-down, etc, should be enough to convince any reasonable interviewer.
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Jun 8, 2018 18:12
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Shirec posted:Aren't I opening myself up to lawsuits if I get too specific? I doubt my current employer would ever find out but you never know If you say something that is untrue, you could be successfully sued for slander/libel (I forget which is spoken and which is printed). If you said something true, you could be sued but first they would have to find an attorney willing to work for them when the chances of a successful lawsuit were nil. From the sounds of it, I doubt they would want to bring any legal attention their HIPAA status one way or another. Not to mention this would only come up if your new employer tattled on you, which they have no reason to do. Anyway, if you don't want to call your current employer out specifically, you could just say something like "I had privacy concerns about our treatment of sensitive client data, and was reprimanded for bringing it up. I'm looking for an environment where I can feel secure in how this kind of thing is handled."
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Jun 8, 2018 18:13
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I'd be more concerned about potentially violating an NDA than any slander/libel suits.
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Jun 8, 2018 18:22
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vonnegutt posted:Anyway, if you don't want to call your current employer out specifically, you could just say something like "I had privacy concerns about our treatment of sensitive client data, and was reprimanded for bringing it up. I'm looking for an environment where I can feel secure in how this kind of thing is handled." This one is very good. About reference calls: When I took a job in a company I worked at before, the new manager called my previous manager (as I expected him to). The big unexpected part was the first advising against hiring me to the second, upon which the second hired me. I know I left the first because of a bad fit with departmental culture with regards to code quality, I want to work towards good code and I recall saying that in my interview. Today someone mentioned that manager 1 from this story is know for being "very different from how we do things". There is no take-away from this, just be honest but unspecific.
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Jun 8, 2018 18:35
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fantastic in plastic posted:I think phrasing it as "environment too stressful compared to previous professional experience" could raise the idea that the candidate was too stressed by engineering work compared to whatever work they were doing before. Telling stories about HIPAA violations, feedback being delivered in the form of multiple-hour-long 1:1 dressings-down, etc, should be enough to convince any reasonable interviewer. Good point, and Minot suggested 'unprofessional' instead of stressful which is better.
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Jun 8, 2018 18:55
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"They did legally dubious things and I do not want to expose myself to liability"
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I think I def have a really good idea of what to say if I did quit before having a job secured. This is probably too e/n, but in regards to that advice, I'm probably going to try and tough it out for a while longer. I made the mistake of talking to my low/no contact father last night about my plans (yay being a lesbian), and for those wondering why I put up so much with this current job and my boss, it's because my dad is a worse version of him, except he knows me way better. So most of my surety of what was best to do is mostly gone now. I want to take whatever step I do with confidence, and the one of proactively quitting is terrifying to me. I can't let go of that fear. On a nice note, my boss is on vacation or on business trips until Wednesday. So I have some time to build back up, so I can handle the next shitstorm. Let me know if this is too personal, I can take it down.
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