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AlphaDog posted:I would assume that wasn't allowed, but I also wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a clear rule about it.
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Splicer posted:They turned out great! How did you get the circles so regular? They are printed on stickers. I bought some plain poker chips that I was linked to here (thanks again!) and some stickers from chromalabel. Stickers to print on Poker Chips
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I'm thinking of running a Seven Samurai type scenario for my players, and I figure I can't have been the first person to look at that scenario and go 'this would be a fun thing to GM.' Give the players a few weeks to prep, sprinkle in a few escalating skirmishes, then a big climactic blow off. Does anyone have any tips, mechanical or conceptual? Players are around Lvl 4 going on 5, so I figure this is my last chance where they're in the right power level of "better than the peasants but weak enough that this sort of poo poo is a credible threat to them too." My thoughts so far: -Maybe have a score for how well they've prepared, and give them bonuses. -some sort of abstraction for the villagers they do manage to train/convinve to fight, because they probably will try that but gently caress rolling for 20 presents. -three or four waves in the final assault with short rests in between. -some sort of soft loss option between total victory and party wipe. Like "if one of you goes down the villagers panic, but grab you and drag you to the next line of defenses. -some sort of time limited skill challenge (you can do x actions per day, DCs of 10/15/20?) -part of the draw of feeding them waves is I can ramp up the challenge for the more satisfying climax, but otoh I don't want to invalidate whatever cunning things they do with their prep with a treadmill challenge. -I like the idea of starting with a count of how many enemies there are. What seems like a good number? -bosses and subbosses to break up enemy homogeneity. I'm thinking a few priestly casters, a few war leader types, and some big warbeastie. -how long do I want this to take? For sure no more than three sessions. One session for the prep capped with a mini boss attack, then one session for the final attack? -how are the npcs going to help prep. Basically, have a few options and let the players direct them. -have a town leader and an old veteran in town so there's an organic way for them to bounce ideas around and to give them an idea of what's possible or how hard things might be. Obviously the fun here is unleashing them to get creative with how they prepare for the attack, but I should have an idea of how I'll handle likely scenarios. So far I think they might: -try to train the townsfolk (persuasion or intimidate checks? Let them pick what weapons/perks to give to the villagers? Partly I need to figure out ) -construct defenses (give the a map of the village and let the roll to add walls, ditches, traps, whatever.) -proactively scout/attack the invaders (some small encounters, maybe a big die of doom "every round I roll a d8, on an 8 the whole gang arrives. Enemies can take an action to call for aid and up the chances.) -go get help! Two of the characters have the soldier background. (I'd say it's fair to try and get the cavalry, but due to travel time/red tape they can't just have a legion show up. I'm not sure what to do here. One option would be a specialist NPC or two return with the PCs. Sir Delta of the Rangers or whatever.) -flee and/or have the villagers flee with them. (Allow it, but guilt trip the poo poo out of them. Mostly this is a reminder to self that this is an option and it'd be lovely to railroad them in. Mad Max caravan escape scenes?) Annnnd in typing this out I've gone and brainstormed quite a bit. Any other thoughts, critiques, suggestions?
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Had a really awesome rolling brawl with a few dozen fore newts that started in a dwarven forge with automated, steam-powered drop forges that we're hammering away (yes, a newts head ended up in one) and ended with me polymorphing our Lizardman ranger into a Giant Ape. Really solid roleplay as the normally cold-blooded lizard felt the rush of blood and hormones from the ape as it tore apart half a dozen newts.
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Argument with DM: did flaming arrows in the sense we think of the (gladiator, game of thrones with blackfish, etc) exist? Wiki is inconclusive and cites to books that aren't online. Anyone have sources on this? It's purely an argument at this point since a game world with casters would have even less incentive to develop them but I'm cranky about this
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mastershakeman posted:Argument with DM: did flaming arrows in the sense we think of the (gladiator, game of thrones with blackfish, etc) exist? They absolutely did not.
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kidkissinger posted:They absolutely did not.  I want to believe.jpg
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If you're hitting someone with an arrow, you don't get that much out of the arrow being on fire, given the additional complexity and restrictions that come from having to shoot the fire arrow. Fire arrows (or javelins, etc.) would've been much more useful against structures.
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mastershakeman posted:Argument with DM: did flaming arrows in the sense we think of the (gladiator, game of thrones with blackfish, etc) exist? Liquid accelerant is very volatile and it would be impractical to use on arrows. Remember, your bow is made of wood here. Best case scenario would be someone standing next to a container of Greek Fire might be able to use it. Gunpowder arrows existed but you probably didn’t hear about them because China did all the hard work on that and Europe didn’t get into gunpowder until guns already existed.
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Heated stones to light thatch via slings was def a thing, and I don't think making an arrow with a top of cloth soaked in pitch to do the same would be that difficult. But not used in actual battles.
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So WoTC stated they are coming out with new settings this year. I think I'm the only person on the planet who heard that news and immediately thought "PLEASE be Birthright! Please... be Birthright!" because I haven't seen anyone else who has blogged or vlogged about it even mention the best D&D setting ever, which pretty much dashes my hopes already.
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deathbagel posted:So WoTC stated they are coming out with new settings this year. I think I'm the only person on the planet who heard that news and immediately thought "PLEASE be Birthright! Please... be Birthright!" because I haven't seen anyone else who has blogged or vlogged about it even mention the best D&D setting ever, which pretty much dashes my hopes already. Some people on ENworld were wanting Birthright. Though it also had an idiot obsessed with Elves. Who stated with the exception of Dark Sun and Ebberon all D&D settings are just Forgotten Realms 2, 3, 4 and so on. And yes he included Planescape, Dragonlance, Mystara and Spelljammer in that.
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DalaranJ posted:Liquid accelerant is very volatile and it would be impractical to use on arrows. Remember, your bow is made of wood here. Best case scenario would be someone standing next to a container of Greek Fire might be able to use it. I'm curious if a flame would even survive a high enough draw. I'm not going to ruin an arrow to find out though. In update news: Our party is running ToA and just hit Omu for the past 4 or 5 sessions. We're starting to wind down and snuck into the lizard people area where we hosed up and basically attacked their leader. At this point, our DM has dropped not so subtle hints that we're likely going to lose, TPK is possible, and at least a few deaths are likely unless we talk our way out. The problem is that my paladin will never, ever side with these things and will meet his God long before he betrays his devotion to do what is right. So, he's probably dead next session. New character is a straight Hill Dwarf Tempest Cleric with a gigantic pile of HP. Any suggestions on running Tempest Clerics? I assume they are, for the most part, blasters and party support until they run low on spells, then it's wading into melee and rebuking/toll the dead spam. If there's better strategy, I'm all ears. I also assume they do a lot of upcasting shatters and such, since there aren't a lot of offensive spells in the regular Cleric list besides guardians at 3rd and banishment at 4th plus Spiritual Weapon. I opted to pick up support spells like dispel magic and remove curse, but I've never played a cleric before, so I'm completely unfamiliar with their spell lists and what gets the most mileage. edit - I picked up Healing Word and Prayer of Healing for out of combat healing, but I think that's it. This thread mentioned healing is very inefficient, so I opted to not to take much healing. But I don't know what a good party support spell would be besides Bless. User0015 fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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ChaseSP posted:Heated stones to light thatch via slings was def a thing, and I don't think making an arrow with a top of cloth soaked in pitch to do the same would be that difficult. But not used in actual battles. Yeah this is what I don't get, it shouldn't be hard to do, you'd lose accuracy but be able to hit a house. I guess if your range drops you might as well throw a torch?
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mastershakeman posted:Yeah this is what I don't get, it shouldn't be hard to do, you'd lose accuracy but be able to hit a house. I guess if your range drops you might as well throw a torch? Set something on fire.....throw a torch Wanna use it as a signal.......whistling arrows were far more effective Wanna kill someone dead, piercing a whole through them is pretty good at that, without fire cauterizing the wounds, or the padding/pitch blunting the arrow or decreasing depth of penetration.
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Flaming arrows were absolutely a thing, there's even fancy special-purpose arrows just for the job from medieval times, they just weren't practical for open warfare. They were used as siege weapons, as anti-ship weapons, or just general equipment destruction. The range and accuracy problem isn't as big a deal if all you care about is lobbing the fire over a tall wall and onto a roof. I think there was one documented battle in the 100 years war where someone used flaming arrows to light a prepared section of the battlefield on fire, but AIUI torches were more standard for this kind of trick.
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Tendales posted:Flaming arrows were absolutely a thing, there's even fancy special-purpose arrows just for the job from medieval times, they just weren't practical for open warfare. They were used as siege weapons, as anti-ship weapons, or just general equipment destruction. The range and accuracy problem isn't as big a deal if all you care about is lobbing the fire over a tall wall and onto a roof. Yeah it's the latter thing I'm getting at - we heard rumors of a livestock eating lizard in the area, I wanted to stake out an animal surrounded by oil doused straw and flaming arrow it from the distance. But I can't actually find any of these documented battles, it always ends up being translation issues and they were javelins/darts, or post-gunpowder being introduced. Supposedly there were special arrowheads where coals could be placed , but I'm talking more of a quick oil/tar+linen wrapping, light and shoot like a million movies have and just can't find anything on it ever existing. Even the naval stuff is showing up as not being fire arrows, but various other methods. It's like theres been hundreds of military battles where fire was used offensively and not one time the type we see in media. And trust me, I want to find that this stuff is true because fire arrows are very cool mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Some people on ENworld were wanting Birthright. FR is just Greyhawk 2.0 so whatever. But man, Dragonlance and those other settings all brought something really unique, love or hate them. Forgotten Realms feels like the bland exception.
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My DM is praying for Planescape or Spelljammer. I've never seen someone so happy when I brought up the option of playing someone from Sigil.
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If you think fire arrows are too unrealistic but everything else in the rules is fine and good and normal then you may need to step away from the game.
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Bar Crow posted:If you think fire arrows are too unrealistic but everything else in the rules is fine and good and normal then you may need to step away from the game. That's not really the issue, its more of a rabbit hole I'm going down to whether they ever existed in a way that lines up with the common perception of them and the answer appears to be no. See above where people say a well documented battle had them and then you look for said battle and weird, huh... This is kind of like whether flails ever got used in combat but moreso since every Viking burial ever shows them
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mastershakeman posted:Yeah it's the latter thing I'm getting at - we heard rumors of a livestock eating lizard in the area, I wanted to stake out an animal surrounded by oil doused straw and flaming arrow it from the distance. But I can't actually find any of these documented battles, it always ends up being translation issues and they were javelins/darts, or post-gunpowder being introduced. Supposedly there were special arrowheads where coals could be placed , but I'm talking more of a quick oil/tar+linen wrapping, light and shoot like a million movies have and just can't find anything on it ever existing. https://www.amazon.com/Medieval-Warfare-Source-Book-Christian/dp/185409307X Stuff in there about fire archers etc amounts to "Yes, existed, but not like in the movies with like a thousand dudes with burning arrows". You won't find the stuff you're looking for if your trying to find out what battle had massed fire archers, because that never happened. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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Look only casters are allowed to have creative solutions and you better like it or leave.
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Finster Dexter posted:FR is just Greyhawk 2.0 so whatever. But man, Dragonlance and those other settings all brought something really unique, love or hate them. Forgotten Realms feels like the bland exception. I largely agree. (I like the Forgotten Realms, but I like those other settings too.) Which is why I thought he was an idiot. He is also offended that polytheism is in most D&D settings, to the point he said that "if the designers bake Polytheism into Dark Sun or Eberron it would make him despondent D&D." To which I say huh. (Eberron has polytheism and Dark Sun has no gods, but I am fairly certain the people there still try and worship different deities.)
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Flails? Are you trying to accurately reproduce a specific historical setting? If any spell casting class is allowed then you are not. If you aren’t allowing spell casting classes then why are you playing D&D? Spells are a large chunk of the rules and the game is designed around them.
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My campaign has a magical dimension hopping vendor that shows up every once in a while and barters with the players. Her items are often goofy and unexpected and the players enjoy them a lot. They're all homebrewed, and while I have some already, I'd like to solicit ya'll for some addiitions. For example, here are some things she has for trade this week: Wayward Wafers A small pack of four wafers that strengthen the soul. (These permanently grant an additional item attunement slot and come with a warning not to eat more than one) Plate of the Green Banner +1 Plate Armor with "If you would take 20 or more points of damage, make a charisma saving throw with DC equal to half the damage. On a failure, you are transformed into a beast and compelled to fight." (that is a really vague description, I have more solid rules worked out) FN Five Seven This is an FN Five Seven 5.7mm semi-automatic hand pistol with a standard 20 shot magazine.
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ChaseSP posted:Look only casters are allowed to have creative solutions and you better like it or leave. I was just going to pull a lantern over with rope from a distance. And yeah we use ridiculous flails, I just like to know if they're real or not. I probably shouldve asked this in tfr or something
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mastershakeman posted:I was just going to pull a lantern over with rope from a distance. And yeah we use ridiculous flails, I just like to know if they're real or not. I probably shouldve asked this in tfr or something If you want to know "can you attach a strip of accelerant-soaked cloth to an arrow, light it, and shoot the arrow", the answer is yes, I've done exactly this in real life and it sorta kinda works. You can't get a full draw, and the aerodynamics obviously get hosed up, but you end up shooting a very small amount of fire over a bigger distance than you could throw a rock. "Reliably hit a man sized target" isn't feasible, but "land all your shots in the same 6m circle" definitely is. That said, I'm a poo poo archer so maybe someone else might be more accurate. I think the reason you're not seeing these things in accounts of battles is that stuff like caged arrowheads with hot coals definitely existed, and "wrap a bit of your shirt on there and light it" is ridiculously sub-optimal - so you're not gonna find pre-made cloth-wrapped fire arrows in the armoury the same way you're not gonna find head-bashing rocks in the armoury.
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CubeTheory posted:FN Five Seven can it shoot flaming bullets?
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AlphaDog posted:If you want to know "can you attach a strip of accelerant-soaked cloth to an arrow, light it, and shoot the arrow", the answer is yes, I've done exactly this in real life and it sorta kinda works. You can't get a full draw, and the aerodynamics obviously get hosed up, but you end up shooting a very small amount of fire over a bigger distance than you could throw a rock. "Reliably hit a man sized target" isn't feasible, but "land all your shots in the same 6m circle" definitely is. That said, I'm a poo poo archer so maybe someone else might be more accurate. That's cool you've actually tried it
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mastershakeman posted:That's cool you've actually tried it With a wooden bow, too, so I can confirm that you're not gonna light the bow on fire unless you're doing something way dumber than shooting burning arrows. About a quarter of the arrows either go out when you fire them, or else the cloth falls off and lands a couple feet in front of you, and you obviously can't re-use any arrows that work as intended. It's super obvious why massed fire archers weren't a thing, is what I'm saying, but there's absolutely no reason you couldn't start something on fire like that if you really wanted to.
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DKWildz posted:I recently bought a big set of polymer dice from this neat company I got linked to from another site, and loved the different color options they had. It's literally a mom & pop company (just the husband and wife running it). I took your advice and bought a bunch of die. Down to support mom and pop shops and also pro gay pride people (they are doing a sale on rainbow dice sets and donating some to charity). Thanks!
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MonsterEnvy posted:I largely agree. (I like the Forgotten Realms, but I like those other settings too.) Which is why I thought he was an idiot. He is also offended that polytheism is in most D&D settings, to the point he said that "if the designers bake Polytheism into Dark Sun or Eberron it would make him despondent D&D." Wait, what? He's pissed that polytheism is thing? Is he like some hardline evangelical or something?
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I saw some guy asking which SotDL traditions christian priests would have access to and he wouldn't do necromancy because the player was a pastor.
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AlphaDog posted:With a wooden bow, too, so I can confirm that you're not gonna light the bow on fire unless you're doing something way dumber than shooting burning arrows. About a quarter of the arrows either go out when you fire them, or else the cloth falls off and lands a couple feet in front of you, and you obviously can't re-use any arrows that work as intended. It's super obvious why massed fire archers weren't a thing, is what I'm saying, but there's absolutely no reason you couldn't start something on fire like that if you really wanted to. That's cool. I was thinking a full draw would be enough to extinguish a fire, but a partial draw could work. It's just a question of how far you can fire it without killing the flame
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The Seven Samurai scenario sounds cool as hell. One way to abstract out the villagers is put a die representing a group of villagers (d4 for a few, d6 for a group, d8 for a big group) on an index card with that group's bonuses (+1 for training, +2 for well equipped, etc.). Then do the same for the enemy groups and roll and compare when two groups do battle. When PC's face a group, obviously you can go into zoomed in mode and roll real initiative. You can do some kind of igougo system to take turns moving groups or have leadership skills used to decide what order things move in.
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User0015 posted:That's cool. I was thinking a full draw would be enough to extinguish a fire, but a partial draw could work. It's just a question of how far you can fire it without killing the flame I guess it'd depend on the accelerant, the cloth, etc too. We were using lighter fluid and strips of old cotton t shirt and the whole thing had more of the nature of drunken shenanigans than actual experimentation. The best shots were done by detaching the (blunt practice) heads, wrapping the cloth tightly from about 2" back up to the tip, replacing the head, then soaking, nocking, getting someone else to light with a bbq lighter, then drawing and shooting as soon as the thing was properly alight. There's also this to consider, from the 1992 olympic opening ceremony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU89ZmB71rc Dude landed an accurate ~80m shot, flame didn't go out. (e: as I understand it, the arrow didn't land in the 80m-distant cauldron thingy, it passed through the gas above it and landed in a sandbox outside the stadium, which is pretty damned impressive. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Jun 9, 2018 |
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I saw some guy asking which SotDL traditions christian priests would have access to and he wouldn't do necromancy because the player was a pastor. SotDL has almost a direct christian allegory in setting already the priests have access to celestial life and theurgy traditions Elfgames fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jun 9, 2018 |
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