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A. Legitimate borders? This is about our natural borders. We ain't gonna get poo poo right now, but all things come with time.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:16
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A, cores are everything and even if we don't get Catalonia we'll still be in a position to take it eventually.
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Seriously, cores are super important in Vicky. The CB you get for conquering your own cores requires much less warscore to demand in a war than a war on conquest on unclaimed land, allowing us to annex a lot more land in one war. Plus, however big of an infamy hit we take from option A, it's almost certainly (barring some incredible luck) going to be far less than we'd get from trying to justify each state in Qattalun individually. e: plus there's no way to gain or lose cores except through events Pakled fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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Jun 8, 2018 20:17
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A and anyone who votes otherwise is a traitor and a Moroccan. Also, what about the little bit Morocco had, is that just ours now?
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Jun 8, 2018 20:17
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A gently caress FRANCE
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A Gaining cores is significantly more valuable than gaining land. Gaining land is the easy part.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:19
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A give it back you fuckheads
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Infamy can go down, getting cores is a lot harder. A Watch the other powers gently caress us over. 
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Jun 8, 2018 20:21
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Watch the final vote be 4-3-5 and we get nothing.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:21
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Ralepozozaxe posted:A and anyone who votes otherwise is a traitor and a Moroccan. Seriously, this is less of a vote for our country’s decision on this issue and more of a test of loyalty to the Al Andalus. Anyways, it’s still Moroccan, but we have cores on it. I asked Hashim about this earlier.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:22
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A is the only option.
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No matter what we're walking away with cores on the entire peninsula which, as others have said, is the real important part. Land we can just go conquer whenever, it's cores that are precious.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:23
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Crazycryodude posted:No matter what we're walking away with cores on the entire peninsula which, as others have said, is the real important part. Land we can just go conquer whenever, it's cores that are precious. Cores over the entire peninsula will come with time, regardless of the option chosen. This is mostly a choice between having the cores from the get-go and suffering diplomatically for it, or expanding much slower via fabrication and getting the cores later.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:26
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Mantis42 posted:Watch the final vote be 4-3-5 and we get nothing. If France votes against us I'm fine reducing our country to ash just to fight two fronts. 
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Jun 8, 2018 20:26
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A. Infamy means jack, all we need to do is just chill for 10 years and were good
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Jun 8, 2018 20:26
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I don't understand Victoria well enough to know what the tradeoff between cores vs. infamy is tbh.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:27
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A As if there were any question.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:28
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:If France votes against us I'm fine reducing our country to ash just to fight two fronts. C votes would be Morocco, Hannover and Armenia.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:29
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A. Why split these states? We all know that there can be only one!
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Jun 8, 2018 20:29
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Hashim posted:Cores over the entire peninsula will come with time, regardless of the option chosen. This is mostly a choice between having the cores from the get-go and suffering diplomatically for it, or expanding much slower via fabrication and getting the cores later. you probably should have made this more clear up front in that case I will change to option B
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Jun 8, 2018 20:29
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I'm not sure what kind of events Hashim will have set up, but fabricating CBs alone will give us most of the big infamy hit. It'll take 15 years to burn off the infamy most likely, but it's worth it for cheaper conquest the rest of the game. A
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Jun 8, 2018 20:31
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Al-Andalus should never have been divided: The mad Shia Sultans brought us low, but now we rise as one, former Mahiyyahs and Quattaluni alongside Quadisi, reunified under the Sunni Sultan Zulfiqar as one nation under Allah.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:33
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All of our land shall be returned!
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GunnerJ posted:I don't understand Victoria well enough to know what the tradeoff between cores vs. infamy is tbh. Cores are impossible to get except via decision or event, so they're very valuable. Infamy can be whittled down by staying at peace for a few years, the issue here is that starting with a big infamy hit with isolate us diplomatically, since very few countries will be willing to ally us. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:you probably should have made this more clear up front Yep, just edited it into the post. hashashash fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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Jun 8, 2018 20:34
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GunnerJ posted:I don't understand Victoria well enough to know what the tradeoff between cores vs. infamy is tbh. Unless A gives us over 25 infamy (the infamy cap, at which point everyone in the world will declare a Containment war on you and totally wreck your poo poo), it's going to be the better choice. The amount of infamy you get for fabricating a conquest CB on a single state is RNG, but it could be as high as 22 points per state. An independent Qattlun is going to be made up of at least 2 states, and possibly a third. An independent North Iberian country is probably going to be an amalgam of 3 states. Add in the fact that we'd have to take the states one at a a time if we go the justification route while we'd be able to take em all in one war with cores up front and it's a no-brainer.
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Pakled posted:Unless A gives us over 25 infamy (the infamy cap, at which point everyone in the world will declare a Containment war on you and totally wreck your poo poo), it's going to be the better choice. The amount of infamy you get for fabricating claims on a single state is RNG, but it could be as high as 22 points per state. An independent Qattlun is going to be made up of at least 2 states, and possibly a third. An independent North Iberian country is probably going to be an amalgam of 3 states. The max for demanding a single state is 11 infamy, not 22 (that would be for fabricating a conquest CB). edit: oops, that's pretty much what you said, so never mind. Disregard this.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:36
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Will we start the game with truces? A couple years buffer on major wars while we burn infamy would be huge.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:39
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A Breaking Al Andalus started the commotions of the past decades and repairing it must be the end of it.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Will we start the game with truces? A couple years buffer on major wars while we burn infamy would be huge. I wasn't planning to set any truces, no.
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Pakled posted:Unless A gives us over 25 infamy (the infamy cap, at which point everyone in the world will declare a Containment war on you and totally wreck your poo poo), it's going to be the better choice. The amount of infamy you get for fabricating a conquest CB on a single state is RNG, but it could be as high as 22 points per state. An independent Qattlun is going to be made up of at least 2 states, and possibly a third. An independent North Iberian country is probably going to be an amalgam of 3 states. but if we are going to get cores by event later, it's not so big a deal - if we can start off with Northern Iberia under our control, with cores on Moroccan Iberia and the opportunity to gain cores on Catalonia later through event without infamy, that is a better starting position
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Jun 8, 2018 20:52
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A, although I can already see the AIs vote for more buffer states. 
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Jun 8, 2018 20:56
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:but if we are going to get cores by event later, it's not so big a deal - if we can start off with Northern Iberia under our control, with cores on Moroccan Iberia and the opportunity to gain cores on Catalonia later through event without infamy, that is a better starting position He didn't say that they would come by event. Could very well be a decision that we can take after we eat them for full infamy to get cores.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:57
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:but if we are going to get cores by event later, it's not so big a deal - if we can start off with Northern Iberia under our control, with cores on Moroccan Iberia and the opportunity to gain cores on Catalonia later through event without infamy, that is a better starting position From how Hashim phrased it, it sounds like if we don't get the cores now, we're only getting them after we conquer the areas via fabrication. quote:Cores over the entire peninsula will come with time, regardless of the option chosen. This is mostly a choice between having the cores from the get-go and suffering diplomatically for it, or expanding much slower via fabrication and getting the cores later.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:57
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:but if we are going to get cores by event later, it's not so big a deal - if we can start off with Northern Iberia under our control, with cores on Moroccan Iberia and the opportunity to gain cores on Catalonia later through event without infamy, that is a better starting position Pretty sure he's talking about the cores which you naturally get via random events after researching state & nationalism or whatever it's called, which requires you to own the provinces already.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:58
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A and if we get big infamy for this then Morroco better get a loving massive one for holding on to Greece of all places.
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