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Hopefully Cat Master's cult popularity will make him worth keeping around, like Layla.
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there's only enough room for one toddling pursuer, drat it
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SpiritOfLenin posted:I think cat master is probably mostly fine - both shots that hit him got his arms, he seems to have noticed he was about to get shot just in time. Yeah. Looks like he got blown off the ship, though.
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Jun 9, 2018 12:59
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SniperWoreConverse posted:there's only enough room for one toddling pursuer, drat it Maybe Xand can ride Hrotomos?
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Jun 9, 2018 13:20
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MikeJF posted:Yeah. Looks like he got blown off the ship, though. Separated from his cat, a fate worse than death.
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Jun 9, 2018 14:03
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So, back to the 'demons are not good at this 'rational self-interest' thing...
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Jun 9, 2018 14:25
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reignonyourparade posted:Separated from his cat, a fate worse than death. Pureauthor posted:So, back to the 'demons are not good at this 'rational self-interest' thing...
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Jun 9, 2018 15:52
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It's worth remembering these are, even by devil standards exceptionally bad dudes. I'm sure a lot of devils are way more rational. For instance, I don't think Cio would backstab someone she benefits from having around just for malicious fun or paranoia.
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Jun 9, 2018 16:50
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Mr. Lobe posted:It's worth remembering these are, even by devil standards exceptionally bad dudes. I'm sure a lot of devils are way more rational. For instance, I don't think Cio would backstab someone she benefits from having around just for malicious fun or paranoia. Yabalchoath would.
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Jun 9, 2018 17:07
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i think the difference is that yabalchoath wouldnt lose track of oscar
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Jun 9, 2018 17:19
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wiegieman posted:Yabalchoath would. I agree, but Yabal was also of equivalent nastiness to a Bad Man. I think Cio is more representative of the general devil population in terms of self-defeating viciousness, but hey she could just be a bizarre saint among her kind.
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Whoops doublepost
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Jun 9, 2018 17:27
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reignonyourparade posted:Separated from his cat, a fate worse than death. That's why he pursues
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Jun 9, 2018 17:31
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Tuxedo Ted posted:Confirmed, Catmaster's Cat is safe aboard the ship. I'm somewhat conflicted about these developments
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Jun 9, 2018 17:32
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The cat is fine too.
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Jun 9, 2018 17:38
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Everyone wondered what Oscar's role in this heist was, and now we know. Wild card, bitches.
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Jun 9, 2018 19:13
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Fister Roboto posted:Everyone wondered what Oscar's role in this heist was, and now we know. Wrong! He's the Bad Man. It's a very important role.
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Mr. Lobe posted:I agree, but Yabal was also of equivalent nastiness to a Bad Man. I think Cio is more representative of the general devil population in terms of self-defeating viciousness, but hey she could just be a bizarre saint among her kind. I think Cio is less vicious than the general devil population, if only out of her commitment to not becoming Yabalchoath again. She actually does try to not get too carried away with her greed, which most devils wouldn't.
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Jun 9, 2018 22:30
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Fister Roboto posted:Everyone wondered what Oscar's role in this heist was, and now we know. We already know his role was to 'sacrifice' others.
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Mr. Lobe posted:I agree, but Yabal was also of equivalent nastiness to a Bad Man. I think Cio is more representative of the general devil population in terms of self-defeating viciousness, but hey she could just be a bizarre saint among her kind. Every other devil we've seen, and there've been a few, outright revels in being the rot at the heart of the universe. Whether they all actually achieve that level of badness or wind up stuck in a job as a bartender or seamstress, they basically all aspire to be Aaron from Titus Andronicus. Cio doesn't specifically as consequence of her unique circumstances A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jun 10, 2018 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Every other devil we've seen, and there've been a few, outright revels in being the rot at the heart of the universe. Whether they all actually achieve that level of badness or wind up stuck in a job as a bartender or seamstress, they basically all aspire to be Aaron from Titus Andronicus. Cio doesn't specifically as consequence of her unique circumstances I think you're overstating it a bit. The Crimson Imp (red devil that shrank back to pseudo-blue) we met early on is clearly just a small-time crook, and most of the Devils at the singing contest and bar were annoyed at Vladok for cheating and didn't try to jump Allison for her stuff at all. I think most Devils are, like, mildly evil but about as lazy as your average selfish human being. Heck, even Vladok, now Princess, wasn't being super immoral, he just felt a sting to his pride when he lost to Allison and didn't want to suffer ignominy for losing like that. Princess seems pretty standard as Devils go, and while Princess is clearly selfish and amoral, she's hardly worse than 'moderately obnoxious' by all appearances. Oskar's crew are way more motivated and dedicated. They're go-getters. EDIT: What I mean is, they don't all aspire to great monstrosity, they aspire to being great monsters. Ebon Devils seem to be perfectly capable of being less dangerous and horrifying than Yabalchoath, who was the devil's devil.
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Joe Slowboat posted:Heck, even Vladok, now Princess, wasn't being super immoral, he just felt a sting to his pride when he lost to Allison and didn't want to suffer ignominy for losing like that. Princess seems pretty standard as Devils go, and while Princess is clearly selfish and amoral, she's hardly worse than 'moderately obnoxious' by all appearances.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Princess just suplexed a man to death after breaking into his place of employment, so... It's not evil if everyone would do it if they could.
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Jun 10, 2018 04:59
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Dead Reckoning posted:Princess just suplexed a man to death after breaking into his place of employment, so... That's arguably on Allison. She bound Princess, and its not clear how much freedom Princess had to not follow her into the hell dungeon.
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Jun 10, 2018 05:22
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Also as far as ways to die that one's pretty fuckin sweet so really Princess was doing them a favor, nobody wants to go out like a chump.
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Dude was about to chainsaw Princess' crime buddies to death, which literally none of the other devils present (other than Cio) would lift a finger to prevent at this point in time. Like, I'm not arguing 'amoral power-hungry jackass Princess' is a good person, just that also none of the Pursuers are devils and they're all amoral power-hungry jackasses by all appearances. The omniverse is infested with rowdy boys.
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If we take what we've heard about devil assholitude as gospel truth, then either Xand or Nxor would've killed off the other ages before they got to the level where they were even considered for this heist. This whole thing happened with a counterexample RIGHT THERE.
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The difference between garden variety bartender devils and these ones is ambition. Those devils would dick over a stranger if it was easy, they wouldn't return a wallet without first taking the cash and then they'd still suggest they deserve a reward, but they aren't going to set up an elaborate hustle or stage a mega-heist or likely even open a noodle shop exactly because it's a lot of effort. This particular crew is into effort. These are devils that are willing to  and know full well that they'll have to kill everyone for it because they have ambition.Edit: in a greater narrative sense they parallel Allison's own struggles with ambition. They got on just fine when raw ambition was running the show, but now that she's got that under control it's very obviously causing problems. It isn't just her own ambition that causes trouble in the world.
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i feel like these folks are examples of devils w ambition but no wisdom although im not sure what kind of ambitions cat master and 1-11 harbour e: 1-11 lost an arm at some point before death lmao Tollymain fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jun 10, 2018 |
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Joe Slowboat posted:I think you're overstating it a bit. The Crimson Imp (red devil that shrank back to pseudo-blue) we met early on is clearly just a small-time crook, and most of the Devils at the singing contest and bar were annoyed at Vladok for cheating and didn't try to jump Allison for her stuff at all. I think most Devils are, like, mildly evil but about as lazy as your average selfish human being. Heck, even Vladok, now Princess, wasn't being super immoral, he just felt a sting to his pride when he lost to Allison and didn't want to suffer ignominy for losing like that. Princess seems pretty standard as Devils go, and while Princess is clearly selfish and amoral, she's hardly worse than 'moderately obnoxious' by all appearances. Vladok turned into a Thing monster to kill Allison and everyone else in the room after his plan to swindle her and rip a magic key out of her skull failed, because playing tour guide for an hour was beneath him. I don't know what profound moral distinction you're trying to draw between that kind of thing and robbing an acquaintance for a bag of gold but I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually exist A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jun 10, 2018 |
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I just mean I think most devils are pretty much within human tolerances for 'kind of a dick' with understandable motivations, rather than being specifically formed evil vice monsters whose motivations are 'be evil' before anything else including 'survive' like this crew.
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Jun 10, 2018 17:12
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*goes to a bar where everyone starts singing a song about how they're going to disembowel me* good people, the salt of the earth
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Jun 10, 2018 17:30
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insatiable hunger combined w being created to be slaves makes for a really weird culture
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i agree w the take that the typical devil is about on the same level morally as your average fuckup petty criminal irl
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Hoping Princess gets to keep her roided out bod.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:*goes to a bar where everyone starts singing a song about how they're going to disembowel me* good people, the salt of the earth I mean, they could've just disemboweled you so...
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Jun 11, 2018 09:30
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This whole plan continues to have been a good idea.
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Jun 13, 2018 23:08
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I like that "BAD MAN" captain's hat he has. That's a demon who's committed to his brand.
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wow oscar an rear end in a top hat
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darthbob88 posted:I like that "BAD MAN" captain's hat he has. That's a demon who's committed to his brand. Seriously, was he just holding onto that in case Is his expensive coat full of magical pockets that have different Bad Man accessories for whatever theme he needs Also I'm loving his Evil Jotaro Kujo posing at the end there
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