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Digirat posted:Purple should be able to go through the boss door with the host and kill the boss for a win. They’re already posing as every phantom at once, may as well let them act like a sunbro so that one might help you and isn’t incentivized to try to betray you before you get to the boss door. Plus some of them will betray during the boss fight instead, and that’s funny Yeah, the one thing I did like about being a purple was that if I came upon like a host, a white summon, a blue and a red all duking it out I could decide pretty much who and how I wanted to gently caress up to fulfill my objective. If there was an equivalent of that for PvE content for purples it would be way better. Being able to betray people during the boss fight would probably be a bit much and would almost always be the best possible route for a purple, so they wouldn't get summoned still, but the Mound Makers were a really cool idea and have led to some of my favourite PvP moments in the entire series, so it's a shame they haven't quite been fully realized.
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Digirat posted:Purple should be able to go through the boss door with the host and kill the boss for a win. They’re already posing as every phantom at once, may as well let them act like a sunbro so that one might help you and isn’t incentivized to try to betray you before you get to the boss door. Plus some of them will betray during the boss fight instead, and that’s funny Honestly I think this should be the case even when Purples invade. Forced co-op (with optional betrayal) would be hilarious.
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Jun 7, 2018 16:21
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Oh yeah I’m not saying there should be a distinction at all. Invading as a purple is already exactly the same as summoning one as far as I know. Surprise, here’s your new “friend”(?)
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Jun 7, 2018 17:05
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You shouldn't be able to kill / hurt the host during a bossfight, getting to the fog door is the one thing that should make the host 100% safe. That's their win condition. Purples going in and then sitting back emoting sarcastically while the host has to fight alone would be funny though.
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Digirat posted:Oh yeah I’m not saying there should be a distinction at all. Invading as a purple is already exactly the same as summoning one as far as I know. Surprise, here’s your new “friend”(?) It isn’t. If you invade you can’t hurt enemies and they can’t hurt you, just like normal invasions.
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Jun 7, 2018 17:50
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Yeah summoning purples feels sadly undercooked. Since they cannot help with the boss, when summoning you know that unless you manage to get invaded twice, your relationship will 100% end in a fight even if you make it all the way to the fog door. It'd be much more interesting if the threat of violence wasn't guaranteed. I suppose you could summon some co-oppers at the fog gate as food for the purple but that's going to be really hard to communicate.
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Jun 7, 2018 19:41
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I've occasionally summoned a purple after I got invaded by someone else (red or watchdogs) for funsies but most people are going to summon whites/golds.
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Jun 7, 2018 21:22
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Quick dumb question. Can you parry a parry into a riposte? Probably a mix of me being salty an lag/latency but I had an instance of an invader doing this. As follows I swung a deamon scar r1 into the dude, then did a full parry with cestus an the animation just about finished. His shield parry comes out an I'm knocked off guard with time for him to switch to a dagger an blow me out for 1k+ of dmg. Likely a mix of lag an my own badness but it felt really really off as he had been fully responsive to attacks, blocks an taking dmg till that exact point.
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Jun 8, 2018 00:14
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For_Great_Justice posted:Quick dumb question. Can you parry a parry into a riposte? Sounds like lag
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Jun 8, 2018 00:30
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spaceships posted:knight class (sl29) hey im trying this build out and it seems pretty sweet, need to get the pontiff ring to really make it sing yet whats the most efficient attack chain with the twinblades, does L1 spam count as a double hit?
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Jun 8, 2018 03:25
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nopantsjack posted:hey im trying this build out and it seems pretty sweet, need to get the pontiff ring to really make it sing yet Weapon art my friend.
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Jun 8, 2018 03:35
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Also if you hadn't noticed yet, the Pontiff Eye and OWCS procs aren't the same number of hits. Once you start proccing, you want to keep hitting as much as possible. Thankfully the build gives you the regen to be greedy sometimes.
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Jun 8, 2018 03:46
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nopantsjack posted:hey im trying this build out and it seems pretty sweet, need to get the pontiff ring to really make it sing yet I like using L1 L2 R2. The L2 can't be parried btw, which is handy since once someone sees the twinblades they instantly want to parry them.
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Jun 8, 2018 03:57
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nopantsjack posted:hey im trying this build out and it seems pretty sweet, need to get the pontiff ring to really make it sing yet L1-L2-L1. (not the full weapon art, instead keep comboing back into the L1). The kick flip slash thing instead of shield break on the curved swords (and rapiers) are also good at the end of combos to give you 1: space 2: infinite poise (you can "kick" backwards and poise-backstab slower weapons this way too)
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asio posted:L1-L2-L1. (not the full weapon art, instead keep comboing back into the L1). The kick flip slash thing instead of shield break on the curved swords (and rapiers) are also good at the end of combos to give you 1: space 2: infinite poise (you can "kick" backwards and poise-backstab slower weapons this way too) does the backflip replace the kick? I accidentally did that against a lothric knight and confused myself lol I quite like these constantly attacking builds, reminds me of the bandit knife bleed build I posted about a page or two back
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Jun 8, 2018 15:44
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nopantsjack posted:does the backflip replace the kick? I accidentally did that against a lothric knight and confused myself lol Yeah. Most curved swords get a backflip and slash rather than the guard-break push-kick.
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Jun 9, 2018 04:40
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Dan Didio posted:Yeah. Most curved swords get a backflip and slash rather than the guard-break push-kick. Something I haven't tested. Curved sword off hand. Does tapping forward + L1 give you a slash/backflip?
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AlternateNu posted:Something I haven't tested. Curved sword off hand. Does tapping forward + L1 give you a slash/backflip? I don't think so. Also, right now there's a guy cosplaying as Maldron in the Catacombs of Carthus as 'Good Guy Maldron'; a purple phantom. Going to summon him for sure.
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Jun 9, 2018 13:11
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I have never been so loving unhappy at the summoning failed message.
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Jun 9, 2018 13:13
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Dan Didio posted:Yeah. Most curved swords get a backflip and slash rather than the guard-break push-kick. Is there any way to guard break with them then? That's the only issue Iv noticed so far
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Jun 9, 2018 13:16
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AlternateNu posted:Something I haven't tested. Curved sword off hand. Does tapping forward + L1 give you a slash/backflip? Depends on the sword but IIRC only a few curved swords actually have the kick. MOST have the backflip instead.
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nopantsjack posted:Is there any way to guard break with them then? That's the only issue Iv noticed so far Some in 3 actually do have the kick; like the Carthus Curved Sword and a few others, but no with the flip and slash ones the trade-off is that you kind of have to rely on either hit and run, waiting for openings or just spamming R1 (intelligently) to break people's guards.
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Jun 9, 2018 13:47
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Also leap attacks don't clank and are good for guard breaking, so use them.
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Jun 9, 2018 13:51
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Yeah, leap attacks are good for PvE guard-breaking as well, I'm not sure if two-handing helps with how much stamina they reduce and I hate using them in PvP, but they can be very useful.
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Jun 9, 2018 14:08
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Dan Didio posted:Some in 3 actually do have the kick; like the Carthus Curved Sword and a few others, but no with the flip and slash ones the trade-off is that you kind of have to rely on either hit and run, waiting for openings or just spamming R1 (intelligently) to break people's guards. The Carthus Curved Sword is a curved greatsword, not a curved sword. Different baseline movesets.
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Jun 9, 2018 14:21
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Using the Exile Greatsword, I've noticed that it just sort of cuts through the guard of enemies with shields.
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Jun 9, 2018 14:27
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AlternateNu posted:The Carthus Curved Sword is a curved greatsword, not a curved sword. Different baseline movesets. Nope. The Carthus Curved Sword and the Falchion are both curved swords, but they have a different moveset that includes the kick. There is a Carthus Curved Greatsword, though.
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Jun 9, 2018 14:34
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You can always just swap the sword out of your hand, kick, and swap back.
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Dan Didio posted:Nope. The Carthus Curved Sword and the Falchion are both curved swords, but they have a different moveset that includes the kick. There is a Carthus Curved Greatsword, though. Derp. That’s right. Ignore me.
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nopantsjack posted:Is there any way to guard break with them then? That's the only issue Iv noticed so far
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AlternateNu posted:Derp. That’s right. Ignore me. Don't sweat it. It's a big sword and the whole thing about is that it's big and heavy. The only reason I didn't think it counted as a Curved Greatsword is because I'm using one on my current run. I literally looted it just before I read your post.
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How is the population? Got through my second run on DS remastered and I still have the souls itch.
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Jove Tone posted:How is the population? Got through my second run on DS remastered and I still have the souls itch. About 8,000 right now on PC, pretty healthy population. I'd imagine it's similar on consoles
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Yep, consistent summons and invasions, even with a little weapon level matchmaker above the recommended for mid-game areas on PS4.
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nopantsjack posted:does the backflip replace the kick? I accidentally did that against a lothric knight and confused myself lol Yeh as has been said it replaces the guard break. The move is more aggressive, because while you can be staggered out of a kick, the backflip has been blessed by the rarely-seen omnipresent poise mechanic. This makes backstabs easier.
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Jove Tone posted:How is the population? Got through my second run on DS remastered and I still have the souls itch. Its good. If you dont have this game yet, go get it skeleton!
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Jun 10, 2018 16:33
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I never beat this on release and coming back I am so incredibly bad at Souls games now. Any suggestions for a build especially good for terrible players?
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Jun 15, 2018 01:18
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If you get a greatshield you can block with that a lot and not rely on dodging. If you can kill Eygon of Carim(the armored guy who hangs out with the lady you find in a cell in undead settlement) you can get a greatshield off him pretty early, but it takes huge str to wield. Curse ward greatshield also becomes available pretty early. If you get 18 int you can also cast great magic shield later which makes your stability so high that blocking with most shields won't even reduce your stamina at all.
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Jun 15, 2018 01:37
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Eagle shield is in the swamp and it's the lightest greatshield. It won't tank like Eygon's shield but it's light, has easy wield reqs, and has all of the training wheels benefits of greatshields.
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I just noticed I've played over 640 hours of Souls games. I haven't even played Bloodborne. What the hell.
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