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happyhippy posted:Most complain because prayer isn't taught in Biology or Science, ie Evolution. It's a lot of things, really but the short of it is that it's the "Christians are a persecuted minority and their ideas are punished" nonsense. Like was already stated prayer in school was never banned. Students can form whatever religious groups they want, pray in school if they please, and read their chosen religious books all they want. Nobody is saying prayer is absolutely verboten in school. The people that share this nonsense are frequently evangelical fundamentalists that want prayer in school to be mandatory. As in, everybody prays to the Christian God every day in school or else. That pretty obviously gets into first amendment territory in ways I shouldn't need to explain. The whole "but you should teach evolution too!" nonsense is related; many of them genuinely believe that teaching evolution is allowing Satan's influence into school. This is corrupting our children so it must stop! If we can't ban teaching evolution then the first step is to force prayer and mandate teaching creationism and intelligent design as alternatives. It's insidious because it's a cute wrapper hiding brutal fundamentalism. "Well we just want our children to be free to pray in school," they say while completely ignoring that prayer in school has never been banned at all.
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I bet they'd change their tune pretty quick when they realize that Muslims, Satanists, and *shudder* Catholics could be kept praying the whole time as well.
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Panfilo posted:I bet they'd change their tune pretty quick when they realize that Muslims, Satanists, and *shudder* Catholics could be kept praying the whole time as well. Unlikely; their goal is to enforce a particular brand of evangelical Christianity on everybody. Look at how much they lose their minds every time it turns out that the Ten Commandments are a religious thing so if you put those up at a public building then the Satanists are allowed to put up a Baphomet.
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Panfilo posted:I bet they'd change their tune pretty quick when they realize that Muslims, Satanists, and *shudder* Catholics could be kept praying the whole time as well. They're pretty much heavily conditioned to be immune to cognitive dissonance via extremely superficial views on such things. It's the whole Make _____ Official thing where everything thinks that it'll be what they feel is the proper version.
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Jun 10, 2018 07:16
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OwlFancier posted:We had organized prayer in school when I went 20 years ago, so it's not that old of a practice in the UK, though it might be rarer in America. Daily prayer in UK state schools is in fact *still* mandatory, and must be "wholly or mainly of a broadly Christian character.". Individual parents may opt their child out in England and Wales, but not in Scotland or Ireland. The majority of schools completely ignore the law (and OFSTED have said that they will not mark down any school that does so) but it's still there.
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Forces of nature huh? That reminds me of the time I went walking in the woods and sprained my ankle on a free market. Or that time a free market capsized my boat. My friend actually died in an avalanche of limited liability companies, it was tragic. *posts image macro implying leftists are out of touch with nature*
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My experience is that the people who are worried about prayer in schools tend to also be the sort who don't think Catholics are Christian. Maybe that's a regional thing.
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Ashcans posted:My experience is that the people who are worried about prayer in schools tend to also be the sort who don't think Catholics are Christian. Maybe that's a regional thing. It is. Where I'm from all the hardcore fundies sent their children to the Catholic school. There's a really weird thing there where a lot of the Catholics are themselves more like psychotic evangelicals.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It is. Where I'm from all the hardcore fundies sent their children to the Catholic school. There's a really weird thing there where a lot of the Catholics are themselves more like psychotic evangelicals. Yeah, in rural areas, Catholic schools are often the only established religious education centers out there, so Protestant parents who want a religious education for their kids (and don't have the time/money for homeschooling) can't be really picky. This leads to a lot of "Catholic" schools that sort of shift into being generically Christian with only a few Catholic trappings, so parents don't get mad and yank their kids (and money) out.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:so parents don't get mad and yank their kids (and money) out. I'd think Catholic schools would be perfectly ok with people pulling out. 
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Midjack posted:I'd think Catholic schools would be perfectly ok with people pulling out.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It is. Where I'm from all the hardcore fundies sent their children to the Catholic school. There's a really weird thing there where a lot of the Catholics are themselves more like psychotic evangelicals. In many places the Catholic School is where you sent your kids to keep their education pure and untainted by those that would darken their school-going experience. Read: Segregation
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I can't be super mad at this, he's starting to zero in on some of the anxieties used to justify anti-immigrant policies. Maybe there's some hope with this person.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Yeah, in rural areas, Catholic schools are often the only established religious education centers out there, so Protestant parents who want a religious education for their kids (and don't have the time/money for homeschooling) can't be really picky. This leads to a lot of "Catholic" schools that sort of shift into being generically Christian with only a few Catholic trappings, so parents don't get mad and yank their kids (and money) out. This was my Catholic school experience. Heck, the only time priests or nuns ever taught classes were language classes.
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You got into a reddit argument with a guy named dark_z3r0, so I can only imagine that you did this to generate oc for the thread. Thank you for your service.
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If you take a sufficiently abstracted view, really, everything is communism. E: Also everything is fascism, now the everything is communist and everything is fascist have to fight everything is world war 2.
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quote:The idea of building a society on individual merit has largely failed. Even when the leftists hunt down the last micro aggression, disparities in outcome will always exist. Yet so will the Leftist elites, growing ever more aggressive and agitating an increasingly non-white population into a fury.
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quote:I like Bernie to, I follow his social media pages. The problem with Bernie is, he has a lot of ideas, but there is very little concrete plan on how to do it. Like universal healthcare: I think his only plan to do this was raise taxes, and then hope the savings in insurance premiums make up for it. His feasibility study basically amounts to "other countries can do it". The man has a point, but his head is in the clouds.
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Also, kids should just keep it in their pants until marriage. All these lib teachers talking about condoms actually causes VD.
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It would be extremely awesome if this extended to recognizing wealthy large business owners are grifting pieces of poo poo and treating/taxing them accordingly, but of course they're outside "society"
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How come anyone who appeals to human nature invariably believes all human beings are full-time irredeemable pieces of poo poo?
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Orange Devil posted:How come anyone who appeals to human nature invariably believes all human beings are full-time irredeemable pieces of poo poo? Projection.
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Republican congressional candidate calls diversity "an excuse by Democrats, communists and socialists, basically, to say that we're not all created equal."
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Orange Devil posted:How come anyone who appeals to human nature invariably believes all human beings are full-time irredeemable pieces of poo poo? taiyoko posted:Projection.
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I'd really like to know what it is about conservatives that makes them spout off their taking points at the most random of times. Just total non-sequiturs I don't know how to respond to. The classic morning greeting at work suddenly turned into this childless old man saying if he had kids he would spank them; why, he was spanked as a child and he's not abnormal. Nowadays you can't spank kids, you'll go to jail, meanwhile these un-spanked kids go out and kill people. Jesus christ dude I was just complaining how tired I am this morning, where is this all coming from? I know I'm partly to blame for encouraging this by never challenging it. More than once he's called me a good girl, sees me as the kid he's never had. He plays Rush Limbaugh on the radio and reads Fox News on breaks. Has loud conversations with another mega conservative co-worker just disparaging everyone and everything around. When talking at me, they love to randomly veer into the most stereotypical grievances in the middle of what otherwise could be pleasant conversation and it throws me for a loop every time.
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Bufoh posted:Jesus christ dude I was just complaining how tired I am this morning, where is this all coming from? Once you breaking the complaint seal, no holds are barred.
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Bufoh posted:I'd really like to know what it is about conservatives that makes them spout off their taking points at the most random of times. Just total non-sequiturs I don't know how to respond to. It's because if they had children they would have run away at 18 and never come back. They're usually the most vile person you've ever met. My old job used to have one that would go on rants about once a week about how Obama was an illegal Muslim immigrant squatting in the white house. For the brief time that there was a picture of Obama sitting next to another guy on a couch in college, he was also secretly gay. It's like we get it dude, you're a hate filled old man, hurry up and die.
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Subjunctive posted:Once you breaking the complaint seal, no holds are barred. oh god why didn't I realize this before 
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Iron Crowned posted:It's because if they had children they would have run away at 18 and never come back. They're usually the most vile person you've ever met. My old job used to have one that would go on rants about once a week about how Obama was an illegal Muslim immigrant squatting in the white house. For the brief time that there was a picture of Obama sitting next to another guy on a couch in college, he was also secretly gay. It's like we get it dude, you're a hate filled old man, hurry up and die. Obviously you bring in your framed photograph of lenin and put it conspicuously on your desk.
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Bad thing is they can’t even veer into territory that might make them uncomfortable. I told a friend just to branch out of Fox News, breitbart and poo poo and the only response is to act like msnbc, CNN, etc are all bad too. Hey you dumb fucker TV isn’t the only place to get news.
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This stuff about co-workers makes me really sad because mine are awesome, but I would take a hundred lovely co-workers to not have extremely broken relationships with like 90% of my family.
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I've noticed a popular comment by conservative folks is clarification that the United States is a republic and not a democracy. When people state that the United States is a democracy, they mean that we have universal suffrage, pass referendums, and elect candidates to office by majority vote. Those candidates then theoretically vote the will of the majority that elected them. No one thinks it is a direct democracy where every single item of government business is put to a popular vote. Is it as simple as Democrats think we're in a democracy while Republicans think we are in a republic, and that since the country is a constitutional republic and not a direct democracy that the Democrats are automatically wrong about everything? I mean, they're party names, it's not like they have significance beyond labels at this point.
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SimonCat posted:I've noticed a popular comment by conservative folks is clarification that the United States is a republic and not a democracy. When people state that the United States is a democracy, they mean that we have universal suffrage, pass referendums, and elect candidates to office by majority vote. Those candidates then theoretically vote the will of the majority that elected them. No one thinks it is a direct democracy where every single item of government business is put to a popular vote.
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The Democrats are a splinter of the Democrat-Republicans so even that line of thought is hilariously ill formed.
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Elizabethan Error posted:do you think the DPRK is democratic and a people's republic? No. I wasn't the one stating the idea, I am asking what the point that Republicans/conservatives think they are making when they say things like to following: comments posted:Alpha2 says: Those were in the comments to this article opining that if Cambodian citizens had been armed, they would not have been genocided by the Khmer Rouge. some article posted:I learned a few things in Cambodia a few years ago, from the source. In this pic I’m standing next to our terp (interpreter) Nhean, at one of the killing field memorials called the Tower of Skulls. Nhean told me a lot of stories of what exactly happened when the Khmer Rouge, a communist group, seized power over the country in 1975 where the dictator Pol Pot wanted to create a pure utopian agriculture communist state. First, they had to kill a few million people to get things going. They started by disarming the population. Once the populace was now “soft” they started to incrementally install their ideology, through force. Nhean was brought to the fields to farm, like everyone else. Nhean said,”Anyone wearing eye glasses was shot. Anyone with books, shot. Teachers, doctors and anyone suspected of having an education, killed as well. One day a man, who I knew a little from before, had been a successful rice farmer. He approached the Khmer guards because the system of moving water they were using was not that efficient. He had a better system that yielded a better return at harvest, so he began explaining it to them. I saw them walk the man over a berm and they shot him in the head. They shot him for having an idea. No one thought any of this was possible before it happened.” Let that poo poo sink in…Mass killings of civilians by military dictatorships in the 1900s were commonly preceded by the confiscation of firearms, a task made easier by laws requiring the registration and/or licensing of privately-owned weapons. It’s a lot loving harder to subjugate and enslave people when they fight you with effective weapons and knowledge. I’m not disarming, ever.
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