Scruffpuff posted:

What's extra ridiculous about this is that a real game made by real game developers wouldn't even have an animation to get in and out of the ship in the first place.

"BUT MY IMMERSION" cry the backers, but I reiterate that replicating the minutiae isn't what immersion is.

Imagine a bunch of teenage kids sneaking up to the wall near a nudist colony with a ladder to sneak a peek. When they recount the event years later, they might remember the excitement of approaching the wall doing something they weren't supposed to do. They might recall peering over that wall.

What they will NOT recall is walking up the loving ladder and where their feet placement was as they did so. Their minds would have been elsewhere - climbing the ladder would have been a subconscious act the brain edited out in real time, much less dedicated to long-term storage.

But people with a certain kind of autism ONLY sees the minutiae. They have no way of knowing what or who is proper to focus on, so they focus on everything equally. I'm 100% convinced Chris has this, and I'm equally convinced the "MY IMMERSION" backers have the same defect.

Imagine the percentage of development time spent on something that isn't needed. Imagine how much further along this game might be without this bullshit stopping them cold.

Colostomy Bag posted:

In short, it is absurd on so many levels one can't comprehend it all.

Koil posted:

catte time

Colostomy Bag posted:

Look at the mining mechanic for another example. With grabby hands I should be able to run off after they operate the laser thing correctly to extract shale...

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Shale is a fine-grained, clastic sedimentary rock composed of mud that is a mix of flakes of clay minerals and tiny fragments (silt-sized particles) of other minerals, especially quartz and calcite. Shale is characterized by breaks along thin laminae or parallel layering or bedding less than one centimeter in thickness, called fissility. It is the most common sedimentary rock.

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Shale is a hardened, compacted clay or silty clay that commonly breaks along bedding planes some of which are no thicker than paper.

Shales are easily eroded or worn away.

Shale in eastern Kansas has been used for making bricks. When heated it color changes to "brick-red". Shale is also used mixed with limestone for making Portland cement.

Exinos posted:

Insert picture here of the bullet with Derek's name in it which some fan posted with pride.

Mirificus posted:

XK posted:

I had been mistakenly thinking shale and slate were very similar. Well:

Mirificus posted:

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Its rather unlikely since they got alot from shipsales and got, through showing they can do it and that they have crazy support behind them, even big companys at their back now, which give them freedome but fund support ( at least at this point its the most simple and logic conclusion to the known facts) and while they are short and hatespeechler like you make it exceedingly harder, for no reason, to realize the project ( your kids need food right? So make what gives clicks and hate has every stupid human, ka-ching)

Pixelate posted:

Oh my...

Mirificus posted:

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firefly212 24 points 2 hours ago

Hi guys... I went to bed last night... and this morning I have like a bagillion notifications... I'll try to clear a few things up all in one post.

the post was not intended as a "troll" post... to the opposite, I posted that kind of lengthy rant in a thread where someone asked why there were so many people hating on the project. I interpreted the question a bit differently, which is why I wanted to make it clear that I don't hate the project, but was probably one of the negative people OP might be thinking about.
Yes, I have MS... if you read the collective of my reddit posts, or linkedin articles, you can see I'm quite open about that... the post I made about stopping doing drugs... that's also true too... I made some really bad choices when I was younger, and I try to be open about them because I don't want other people to make the same mistakes I did. The "drugs are bad" people sort of lack credibility because they don't know what they're talking about... it turns out drugs are awesome, so awesome you'll want them all the time, so awesome the rest of your life will fall apart and they'll be all you want. That's why you shouldn't do drugs, not because of some vague say no campaign by an octegenarian, or a commercial on tv, but you should say no to drugs precisely because they will make you feel loving fantastic while they take everything else you have away and kill you. I can't speak to that credibly or warn anyone off of drugs without owning my own mistake, so... I'd rather own it than lose the opportunity to warn someone else off about it.
Yes, MS can be really challenging, but it can also vary in how I feel day to day... some days I can go for a nice run... other days it's really hard to get around the house, even with crutches, but where I live isn't very accessible, and it's actually pretty hard to find accessible rental places.
While I appreciate the position of some that you shouldn't kickstart money you aren't willing to lose, and admit I made some mistakes in backing this project, the post was intended to be an explanation of why there's some bad will towards CIG/RSI..
No, I have not filed multiple tickets, or written daily about my own ticket. I have not done this because there is no person called Don Karnage, the messages I've gotten since being put in the refund ticket pool have all been exact duplicates of other messages "refundians" have received, and I'm pretty sure it's just a mail-bot and not an actual person, so I'm not entirely convinced there's a point to the interactions, aside from documenting for the court, both by way of that record, and by way of attempts to follow the suggested dispute process in the EULA, that I've attempted to resolve this informally. Though I am frustrated with CIG/RSI, I also worked retail for a while (everyone should), and I'm mindful that the people I do talk with aren't the ones who make the policies, and they shouldn't be treated like crap (even by me) just because their bosses make poor decisions.
If you're going to tell me that all my money got spent on game development, provide a GAAP or IFRS style accounting of expenditures (remember when open accounting was a kickstarter promise?) . Guess that promise didn't come with LTI.
Scope creep is a problem in development, not a virtue. To say backers should accept infinite delays with infinite scope creep is ridiculous. The problem with CIG is that somehow they've figured out how to sell scope creep... it creates this circumstance where something that's actually bad for development has a monetary incentive...
I made a mistake in pledging. Several of you have said that I should not have backed and did not adequately understand the risks. You are correct. When I backed, I thought the biggest risk was that the game wouldn't raise enough money, and that the game just wouldn't get made. CIG made promises that if that happened, they would give back all the moneys and publish an accounting of things. I did not understand/appreciate/anticipate that there was risk that came on the overfunding side... I mean, if you told me in 2012 that this project would have 200 million bucks in it before the game launched, I probably wouldn't have believed you...
Maybe just a lack of social skills on my part, but I don't understand why so many people lean on the infamous vote in the 19m letter to say whatever you want it to say. Even in the 20m letter, CR says that the stretch goals don't impact release dates and they carefully consider stretch goals to be either things they can bolt on later or things they planned to do later, but could do earlier now... so like...to fault people for believing him... that's not their fault he was grossly misleading people. I backed for one thing, and since that's my money, no matter how other backers vote, I should still get the thing I paid for in the timeline promised or vaguely near it... it's my money, not yours... a bait and switch with voting is still a bait and switch.
I don't think Star Citizen is a scam, I think it is a very, very, very poorly managed project, beset by some of the most common development problems, but coping with the fact that marketing is so aggressive that they keep setting expectations that even with their incredible team of developers, engineers, and artists, the people making the game just can't keep pace with how fast marketing makes new expectations.

Last, to be clear, pledge (the word plastered all over their store) has a definition already... https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/pledge . The key thing here is that though the possession changes hands, ownership does not. The money is still mine until they've fulfilled the contract... that hasn't happened yet... they haven't made either game, and the physical products in my game package certainly aren't in my hands. I don't think it's unfair to demand, even by way of court, that CIG either gives me my money back, or produce an accurate accounting of to where money has gone. In 2012, my golden ticket asked me to embark on a 24 month journey with them (seemingly meaning end of 2014)... by 2014, there were some issues, and scope creep, so it was still a couple years out... in 2016 though, SQ42 was right around the corner, and there was this slide show of 3.0-3.4 patches that would happen "every couple of months"... 3.0 was a full stanton system, and it was going to come "maybe even by the end of this year"... so maybe the SC could be beta in 2018, but we'd have SQ42 to play in the meanwhile... now we're in 2018, there's a "roadmap" that doesn't lead to the MVP for Star Citizen and is missing critical path components to get there... there's not even a roadmap for SQ42, so who even knows... and everyone's saying oh hey, don't worry, it'll be just 2 or 3 more years... but I just don't want to be on this ride any more... I hope you all end up with the game you're looking for, especially those of you who like MMOs, but this isn't the game I backed for, and this certainly isn't the customer-focused scrappy little underdog company that I backed.

Agony Aunt posted:

Rubbish, SQ42 is just around the corner! The lack of NPC AI is just a minor setback in a single player game.

In other news, this made me giggle.



Yes! While flying in a straight like you can get out of your chair and.... erm.... mop the floor?

Scruffpuff posted:

Imagine the percentage of development time spent on something that isn't needed. Imagine how much further along this game might be without this bullshit stopping them cold.

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Fashionable Jorts posted:

It's sad to see how many of those comments come within inches of self-awareness.

Colostomy Bag posted:

I deal with 64-bit precision using metric thank you very much.

Agony Aunt posted:

Someone get this man a SA account!


https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/8pznyp/some_thoughts_from_a_longterm_backer_which_really/e0fnico/

Beet Wagon posted:

I might just be missing the joke here but is that a thing that actually happened because

Agony Aunt posted:

Upvoted for truth!