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People please do not decide we need to fight frangland, who we still have perfectly fine relations with and who are just down the road instead of the other side of the continent like Russia, over one vote. We will need a great power in our corner to fight Morocco, and why not the one who we're seeking to create a stable border with? Besides them, Egypt is also a good ally.
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Hashim posted:- Possible unions between some of Morocco's colonies, if they achieve independence. Brazil-half of Argentina-Chile is a pretty formidable entity you're proposing. Also, speaking of, that one-province Occitan colony between Imjir (Berber Brazil) and Tyratia (Scottish Argentinian coastline)...are you just going to do away with that? Given that Occitaina ceased to exist for a decade in the mean time there? I'd assume the settlers there would've joined one or the other colony in the mean time. Far too small a stretch of land to be its own country.
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Patter Song posted:Brazil-half of Argentina-Chile is a pretty formidable entity you're proposing. Yep, that's exactly what I did. This is what south america is looking like atm:  
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Please tell me those little red islands at the bottom are the last bastion of the English monarchy.
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Mister Hashim, unite those Incas! (some sort of event and/or decision train there for them? Either even starting Civ?)
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Hashim posted:- Early event for the Celtic Empire to become the United Kingdom of Ireland-Scotland. Can I suggest a name like "Celtic Union" instead of United Kingdom? Just as an alternative to having the vanilla name on an alt-history nation. I actually wonder to what extent Ireland and Scotland would have separate identities at this point. They've both been in union together for longer than either kingdom existed as an independent entity, so the division might be more on the England-Scotland level (i.e. both groups saw themselves as British in this period) than on the Austria-Hungary level. Also notable is that the union happened at approximately the time in our history when Middle Gaelic would split into Irish and Scottish Gaelic, and the time when Scots became the common dialect across law, trade and court in Scotland. Presumably those things wouldn't have happened in this timeline, so Gaelic would be a single language still between the two I guess, albeit with dialects. If so, "Eire-Albain" might work as a slightly more aesthetic name to put on the map than "Ireland-Scotland", especially as while the name Albain in Irish means "Scotland", it is derived from Albion, the name of the whole island of Great Britain, thereby including the bits of England they still control (and don't control, given they've been fighting France over England for the last hundred years).
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pinchofginger posted:Please tell me those little red islands at the bottom are the last bastion of the English monarchy. The English decided the 13 colonies were so nice they relocated to America, so New England is now pretty much the entire East Coast.
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FRANCE! FRANCE! FRANCEEEEEEEEEE
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Hashim posted:Basically, if anyone's willing to make flags, feel free to do so and it'll almost definitely make it into the mod. Unless we get a big influx of flags though, I'll probably have to end up using duplicates for a lot of countries, simply because there's a ton of flags in vicky and I'm awful at making them myself. I'm a big fan of the flag of the Spanish settlements in the Morena Mountains.  The blue symbolizes the Catholic settlers, the green the Muslims who lived there and white is peace between the two of them. The C stands for King Charles the Third and the tree is the national flag of Spain, the holly oak which is found throughout the Mediterranean.  I might suggest something like this. The blue and green announces our tolerance of Catholics and the fact that the Catholics of northern Iberia rightfully belong as a part of our nation and we intend to see this come to be. The tree I made black so that it contrasts well in such a small size, but a brown and green one could be done. The golden Z stands for our new dynasty of Zulfiqar, founded by the great hero Raed Zulfiqar. Of course you could lose the Z if its a little too monarchist for our reluctant sultan.
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I made some flags, some are better than others: Al Andalus Communist  Republic  Fascist  France Communist  Republic  Vaktahni Communist  Republic  Fascist  Palermo Communist  Republic  Fascist  Egypt Communist  Republic  Fascist  Bavaria Republic  Tirruni Empire Libertarian 
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I hope we can declare a worker's caliphate.
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What are the tools that most symbolize Al-Andalusia? That’s how the best communist flags are made.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:What are the tools that most symbolize Al-Andalusia? That’s how the best communist flags are made.  This is from the 1821 State of the World, so lots of wine and wool? A grape vine and a...spinning wheel?
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Ralepozozaxe posted:What are the tools that most symbolize Al-Andalusia? That’s how the best communist flags are made. a pair of scissors and a guy holding his crotch in pain
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I'm disappointed in you, France. That was a dick move on your guy's part. Still cosy up to them though, they're not the Celts and it'll be harder to basically ignore them if we piss them off.
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I mean back when our big problem was always that France would steamroll us as we fought to the last man over the Pyrenees. But now France likes us and we just have a bit of cleanup between us and that nice Pyrenees border so let's NOT gently caress THAT UP and also get a nice, strong, close by ally so when we've got Iberia we can turn around and focus on getting goddamn Tangiers.
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Honestly 22 infamy is pretty much no impediment when we've got cores on the entirety of our targets, since we can take everything infamy free. I guess we should probably avoid colonial expansion for a while but that's the only impact really.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:What are the tools that most symbolize Al-Andalusia? That’s how the best communist flags are made. How about one of those whips they use in Self-flagellation. Self mutilation is very in keeping with the spirit of Al-Andalusia Ikasuhito fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jun 10, 2018 |
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Al Andalus is friends with France. Al Andalus has always been friends with France. Rectify the documents, no reference to the wars with France should remain in existence, anywhere.
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Since the epilogue of EU4 set up a war between the Andean Republic and Charca as the two remaining indigenous polities, perhaps they might have like a War of the Pacific-type event thing where they claim each other.
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Would be interesting to see something like the Louisiana Purchase shake things up in Gharbia.
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I'm definitely gonna be using a few of those flags up there.ThatBasqueGuy posted:Mister Hashim, unite those Incas! (some sort of event and/or decision train there for them? Either even starting Civ?) crimea posted:Since the epilogue of EU4 set up a war between the Andean Republic and Charca as the two remaining indigenous polities, perhaps they might have like a War of the Pacific-type event thing where they claim each other. Yeah, I'm gonna go with what crimea's saying. It doesn't make sense for them to willingly unite (since one is an absolute monarchy, the other a revolutionary republic), but I'll give the Andean Republic an early conquest CB or something that lets them invade and annex the Charca, if they're strong enough. That should create a nation that should be able to challenge New France and Walidrar, at the very least. Reveilled posted:Can I suggest a name like "Celtic Union" instead of United Kingdom? Just as an alternative to having the vanilla name on an alt-history nation. Lots of good ideas here. I think I'll end up going with the Celtic Union (formally, it can the Celtic Union of Eire-Albain), it sounds a bit better. As for the cultures, I did consider giving Ireland and Scotland a common 'Gaelic' culture, since the Celts have ruled Scotland since the Middle Ages, so I'll think on that. mossyfisk posted:Would be interesting to see something like the Louisiana Purchase shake things up in Gharbia. I'm considering doing something where Albionoria annexes Albaina, since the latter is really too weak to get anything done (they can't sustain a single regiment at the game's start), and maybe an Albionoria-Albaina union allied with New England will be able to hold off Ibriz for a while. As for Ibriz, I've given them a bunch of revolter tags, so if things go badly for them we should be able to see some new countries popping up.
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If I were the Butler Queen of New England, I'd try to pry as much land off of Neimni Sud and Albionoria as possible before Ibriz turns its attention east. Either that or, you know, try to ride a wave of nationalism back into London.
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In EU4 all of northern America always ends up being colonized by someone, while in OTL large chunks were uninhabited wild lands, so how about releasing a bunch of Western America as colonizable land for the Americans to argue over?
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I didn't make these, but here are some flags from an alt-hisotry website for al-andalus they had.  And here's something I threw together, though I don't know what it could be used for. It kind of looks like a pirate flag, so maybe fascist? 
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Hashim posted:Basically, if anyone's willing to make flags, feel free to do so and it'll almost definitely make it into the mod. Unless we get a big influx of flags though, I'll probably have to end up using duplicates for a lot of countries, simply because there's a ton of flags in vicky and I'm awful at making them myself. Im not artistically inclined enough to draw it myself, but perhaps Revolutionary Japan could borrow some ideas from the OTL Republic of Ezo and use the 7-pointed star (as seen on the modern Hokkaido Prefecture flag) as their symbol instead of the rising sun. Seems like it might be a good starting point for the democratic flag at least.
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That's a pretty nice, albeit busy, flag. I'm thinking our communist flag should be the USSR flag, except swap out the sickle for the Muslim crescent moon.
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habeasdorkus posted:That's a pretty nice, albeit busy, flag. I'm thinking our communist flag should be the USSR flag, except swap out the sickle for the Muslim crescent moon. I just now noticed it has a little Moroccan star at the top, and is thus invalidated.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:I just now noticed it has a little Moroccan star at the top, and is thus invalidated. Not unless we take Marrakesh. 
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That's a set of reproductive organs
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Ralepozozaxe posted:I didn't make these, but here are some flags from an alt-hisotry website for al-andalus they had. I quite like this one, although it's a bit busy for a vicky flag, since they are just 93 x 64. Here's what I could whip up in mspaint:  But the Arabic really just wont work at this size. I also still like the idea of putting a tree on the flag:  Or if folks are dead set on grapes: 
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Clayren posted:Or if folks are dead set on grapes: I like it, especially since you don't see grapes too often. And for anyone who wants to see how many ways you can use the sickle and hammer on a flag, here is the different flags for every country in base Vic2: https://imgur.com/a/np1o9
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Those flags look sweet Clayren. And I don't mind using the grapes if others like it enough, we could turn it into a Zulfiqar dynastic symbol or something. The colour green too. We haven't really had any green-orientated flags, most of our flags have been white and gold, but gold was also the Jizrunid colour, so I guess we could use green to symbolise the shift away from them. Dance Officer posted:In EU4 all of northern America always ends up being colonized by someone, while in OTL large chunks were uninhabited wild lands, so how about releasing a bunch of Western America as colonizable land for the Americans to argue over? Yep, that's exactly what I've done, so there's plenty of room for some potential conflict between France, Albionoria and Ibriz: 
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I would imagine Al Andalus is still pretty religious and people likely wouldn't drink wine as a general rule. I don't think grapes make a lot of sense as a symbol.
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Flavius Belisarius posted:I would imagine Al Andalus is still pretty religious and people likely wouldn't drink wine as a general rule. I don't think grapes make a lot of sense as a symbol. Yeah, makes sense. Maybe the tree flag then? Or pomegranates could be used instead of grapes, since it's a strong symbol of Granada, and we actually used it as the flag of Qadis before reforming Al Andalus.
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The Granada pomegranate symbolism is a strong aesthetic and I personally would be in favour of that being incorporated somehow on some of the flags.
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Flavius Belisarius posted:I would imagine Al Andalus is still pretty religious and people likely wouldn't drink wine as a general rule. I don't think grapes make a lot of sense as a symbol. Maybe they just love eating grapes.
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vyelkin posted:Maybe they just love eating grapes. hmm seems sin-adjacent
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Flavius Belisarius posted:hmm seems sin-adjacent Sin-adjacent has been the name of the game in Al-andalus since forever, though.
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