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Yes, disabling disinfect one tile at a time is insanely annoying.
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Set the disinfect threshold higher, and use tiles and mining to ensure that your dupes don't have access to too many slime tiles at any given time.
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Jun 1, 2018 04:37
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They changed the way the mechanical doors work by the way in the test build. So if you were using the four door set up to help keep gases out, basically it doesn't work anymore. I don't know if the water lock still works, I never got that to work easily, maybe I'll have to figure it out.
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Jun 1, 2018 13:53
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My map didn't start with much water and now at cycle 36, I'm facing a severe water shortage. How can I fix this? Thanks for any help.
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Jun 1, 2018 13:54
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Main Paineframe posted:Set the disinfect threshold higher, and use tiles and mining to ensure that your dupes don't have access to too many slime tiles at any given time. Just to make sure I’m not overlooking another obvious thing, there is no way to set a disinfect limit for an individual object, correct?
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Jun 1, 2018 14:12
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zedprime posted:Without a refrigeration cycle you can't really do anything more than vent whatever is already poo poo hot unless you just want to meet in the middle and then have everything just tepidly overheating as you vent what you consider the working gas. I guess maybe as a precooler so it's not straining your point heat sinks. well, the test patch post says vaccuum sucks both gasses and liquids, so just dump your aquatuner coolant in there  Lorini posted:My map didn't start with much water and now at cycle 36, I'm facing a severe water shortage. How can I fix this? Thanks for any help. Uhhh, load a save you did 10 days ago and find a geyser quickly? I'd say research water filtration but that takes a bunch of water too...
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Jun 1, 2018 14:12
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Well I used the new reveal tool in the sandbox and there's only one steam vent way far away so time for a new colony. There were only three geysers on the map total, weird.
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Jun 1, 2018 14:33
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Truga posted:well, the test patch post says vaccuum sucks both gasses and liquids, so just dump your aquatuner coolant in there
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Jun 1, 2018 14:48
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My dupes appear to be consuming twice as many calories now, in the patch preview branch. Edit: nm they fixed it Slow News Day fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jun 2, 2018 |
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Jun 1, 2018 21:53
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Major changes today in the experimental branch.quote:Overall tuning to the power and fertilizer economies No more ferts for NG, early mid mode NG rest in peace.
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Jun 8, 2018 22:17
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Lorini posted:Major changes today in the experimental branch. That sucks big time.
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Jun 8, 2018 23:43
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The new compost change means that I probably won't be using them anymore. Per my post on the official forums:quote:My early game bathroom consists of two wash basins and two outhouses. Past the outhouses, I usually put two compost things. With the experimental update, the compost produces dirt. The dirt still has food poisoning germs when it's expelled from the compost. My supply dupes take that dirt and put it in the main dirt compactors and/or feed it to meal lice, contaminating the meal lice and therefore, the liceloaf.
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Jun 10, 2018 15:09
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You're forgetting the ore scrubber, aren't you? Works for the vats of recycled, still-germy "clean" water too.
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Jun 11, 2018 01:23
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insta posted:You're forgetting the ore scrubber, aren't you? Works for the vats of recycled, still-germy "clean" water too. This is probably a bug, similar to how the water sieve magically deletes heat.
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Jun 11, 2018 16:56
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Why do I have 198W on this circuit? I'm only counting 78W.
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Jun 11, 2018 23:58
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I'm addicted to this game but I'm never able to progress to the point of having a fully setup plastics industry because I simply cannot get food production up and running. I'm also struggling with heat gradually building up, but I can never risk exploring into swamp biomes because of the risk of slime-lung, and ice biomes are always behind swamp biomes. I tried creating a chlorine gas chamber that stores both the slime in a storage compactor and also the algae distiller but the power requirements for setting up to gas pumps, filters and managing the inexorable increase on CO2 all while keeping my food stores up is doing my head in. Does anyone have any advice for room layouts or what techs to beeline for? It annoys me that a lot of the super useful stuff, stuff you pretty much need to survive is gated behind a ton of earlier tech.
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Jun 12, 2018 18:28
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Use the inverted "T"-shaped CO2 airlocks on either end of a 4-high tiled top & bottom hallway. You don't need water, they will fill with CO2 over time and let dupes pass through without any debuffs and keep gas where it should be. Alternately, build a coal generator near each one for a few cycles and destroy/rebuild elsewhere to fill another one. Also, run a hamster wheel with a tiny battery to prime the system. You don't need an enormous centralized 8kw power plant (...yet) to do this. Just get a pump running and fill the hallway, then call it done. Don't be too afraid of the slime biome, just don't spend all your time out there without exosuits. If you're beelining to the ice biomes, just build a tiled tunnel. You can get into there for some harvesting, but keep an eye on the immune system. If you put a pneumatic door at the entrance or exit to the airlock, you can restrict individual dupes who's immune systems are tanking from going into the slime biome. They will recover over time.
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Jun 12, 2018 20:01
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insta posted:Use the inverted "T"-shaped CO2 airlocks on either end of a 4-high tiled top & bottom hallway. You don't need water, they will fill with CO2 over time and let dupes pass through without any debuffs and keep gas where it should be. Alternately, build a coal generator near each one for a few cycles and destroy/rebuild elsewhere to fill another one. You can also do this with chlorine and use it to sterilize storage compactors full of slime/fertilizer/etc and since it's the second heaviest gas and you can remove CO2 by putting a carbon skimmer at the bottom, maybe deodorizers. Easy to make, just build a pit with ladders to enter/exit, and filling it with chlorine is as simple as digging into a caustic cave and letting the gas (eventually) flow downhill. This also works great for food storage, if you want too keep all your disgusting food fresh forever. (Without having to deal with refrigerators or weird heating/cooling systems. If you want to keep food clean you need to keep oxygen out, so make it at least ~5 tiles deep above the highest ration box. ...and algae distillers/water sieves/composters/etc I guess? You can use that principle separate chlorine from mixed gases (without all the plumbing and electricity for a gas filter) by pumping them above the pit, everything except Cl/CO2 will float to the top If you have the materials to make high-pressure gas outlets, you can separate hydrogen/oxygen (quickly enough to keep generators running) in a similar column.
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Jun 12, 2018 20:55
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PiCroft posted:I'm addicted to this game but I'm never able to progress to the point of having a fully setup plastics industry because I simply cannot get food production up and running. I'm also struggling with heat gradually building up, but I can never risk exploring into swamp biomes because of the risk of slime-lung, and ice biomes are always behind swamp biomes. Slimelung dies fairly quickly on anything thats not pO2 so throw down a few deodorizers and if you get a bit of slimelung in the air in your base it really isnt a big deal. You can go down to 90 immunity with no problem, maybe even 80. If they do get sick they will need a few (5?) cycles in medbay. Store the slime in a compactor below the waterline in your polluted water tank, it wont emit germy pO2 then.
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Jun 12, 2018 21:27
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PiCroft posted:I'm addicted to this game but I'm never able to progress to the point of having a fully setup plastics industry because I simply cannot get food production up and running. I'm also struggling with heat gradually building up, but I can never risk exploring into swamp biomes because of the risk of slime-lung, and ice biomes are always behind swamp biomes. In addtion to what the others have said: -food: Set up a farm with Bristle Berry, ideally hydroponics based so you don't have to hand-deliver water. If Bristleberry is in a farm room than a farmer-trained dupe can use the farming station to create micro-nutrient fertilizer that doubles its growth speed, meaning it has the same growth speed as mealwood, but for a higher kCal value and tastes better. If you have a grill setup you can also cook the Bristle Berries to make them provide even more kCal. -Honestly slimelung isn't that big of a deal. I generally make a sunken storage area that I fill with water (use a bottler, no pumps required) to put my slime storage in. If the slime is stored in a compactor below water the slime won't outgas and release infected polluted water. The same mechanic keeps Bleachstone from becoming chlorine gas if stored the same way. Add a washbasin/sink/sanitizer to make sure your dupes are washing their hands before going back to the base and you'll take care of most of the slime-based slimelung.
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Jun 12, 2018 22:13
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I'm reasonably certain that dupes only get sick if immunity gets to 0. You can send them in for quick jaunts in the slime so long as you have them not stay long. If immunity is getting low keep them home. Definitely airlock the slime biome out but don't treat it like dupes get incurably ill if they ever touch slime. I had a dupe get down to 30 and be fine. Never came down with slime lung.
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Jun 12, 2018 22:43
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Thanks guys, I looked up the C02 airlock and waterlock designs which might help. Also:Alkydere posted:The same mechanic keeps Bleachstone from becoming chlorine gas if stored the same way. This is something I was wondering: Does bleachstone gradually break down as it emits chlorine like Oxylite does with oxygen? I thought it might be the case, but I wasn't able to see it occur while I was playing
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Jun 12, 2018 23:29
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Yep! Same with Slime and emitting pO2.
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Jun 12, 2018 23:32
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silentsnack posted:This also works great for food storage, if you want too keep all your disgusting food fresh forever. (Without having to deal with refrigerators or weird heating/cooling systems. If you want to keep food clean you need to keep oxygen out, so make it at least ~5 tiles deep above the highest ration box. This is what I do for food storage. Usually it's filled with 100% co2 but I did a different layout this base and the chlorine/co2 mix isn't a problem.  ToxicSlurpee posted:I'm reasonably certain that dupes only get sick if immunity gets to 0. You can send them in for quick jaunts in the slime so long as you have them not stay long. If immunity is getting low keep them home. Definitely airlock the slime biome out but don't treat it like dupes get incurably ill if they ever touch slime. Of course, this is only relevant if you play on the default difficulty setting. I know some people play on miserable/fatalistic for the extra challenge, and on those settings, immune system does not recover except with pills. I tried it once.. probably never again. As a random extra, this is how I do my hatch stables. 96 internal tiles, tons of storage.  And my exercise room setup. Ahahaha. 
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Jun 12, 2018 23:33
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Sage Grimm posted:Yep! Same with Slime and emitting pO2. Thats kinda pish, it means bleach stone will eventually decay away once exposed which makes it even more rare than it currently is. I hate the idea of knowing that my resources will eventually run out entirely, especially stuff that's already fairly uncommon. That being said, thanks to the poster upthread who pointed out storing it underwater prevents it from decaying. Also, the whole "cooking increases the Kcal per food item pretty much out of nothing" blows my mind. I always thought that cooking a bristle berry would, at best, have the same kcal value and that other recipes actively reduced the kcal, so I never bothered with cooking at all. As it turns out bristle berries increase in calorie value. Shows how much attention I pay to the tooltips.
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Well, yes and no. Eventually gas pressure will prevent the outgassing and it'll settle into equilibrium if undisturbed. And typically bleach stone starts surrounded with enough chlorine gas to prevent that outgassing until you dig it out. You can re-condense chlorine into bleach stone if you have a squeaky puft handy. 
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Jun 13, 2018 03:36
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Ambaire posted:This is what I do for food storage. Usually it's filled with 100% co2 but I did a different layout this base and the chlorine/co2 mix isn't a problem. This works as a poor man's food storage setup, but you can't take advantage of any automation with it. For example I have a fridge in which I store only sleet wheat. When the fridge gets full, its automation circuit activates and a connected electric grill (which is set to make infinite frost buns) activates. A duplicant then comes and makes frost bun for 200 seconds, about 1/3rd of a cycle. Why is this important? Well, later on as your duplicants level up, they start to really care about food quality, and simple bristle berries stop satisfying them. So this setup is useful to keep them happy, as you automatically produce higher quality food when conditions are met, without having to constantly micromanage it. I have a feeling food quality will become even more crucial as more content is added.
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Jun 13, 2018 04:18
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PiCroft posted:Also, the whole "cooking increases the Kcal per food item pretty much out of nothing" blows my mind. I always thought that cooking a bristle berry would, at best, have the same kcal value and that other recipes actively reduced the kcal, so I never bothered with cooking at all. As it turns out bristle berries increase in calorie value. It shouldn't, really. Some food increasing its digestible calories when cooked is something that happens in real life, too.
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yeah i have a dedicated chef and make a kitchen room and do a lot for cooking. it saves water too. im burnt all the way out with the game. it will be a year this summer. primarily cooling water is just a headache and i've done everything from automation to glitches. its a hard cap on my base. i can live without perfectly cooled water but urgh i can't figure out why its so difficult. just waiting on a release so i can deal with the end product.
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Jun 13, 2018 05:55
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Lorini posted:Can you post a couple of images of this working? Sorry for the delay. I stopped playing for a bit and with the changes upcoming in the new patch I think I will bail on this colony and start over. Here is an ugly, ugly oxygen generation room that takes advantage of the cold biome. Click for big.  The gallery has the rest of the panels (electrical, ventilation, etc): https://imgur.com/a/Yck6k68 I started with the basic self-powering oxygen generator and added a second electrolyzer and gas pump. It doesn't self power anymore but the spare hydrogen helps to take some of the burden off the nearby coal generator. The hot air goes through a pair of thermo regulators and some pipe made of thermally reactive material to get down to about -2C. It travels along a long insulated pipe run into my base at about 17C which has helped to cool things down nicely into the mid 20's overall. Using a mechanical door instead of building tiles between the upper gas pump is a neat trick I saw on a stream. It makes it so if you need to tweak things you don't have to break blocks to reach that upper area. If you go slowly and manage the build more carefully it's not really necessary. Remove one electrolyzer and one gas pump and the room should stabilize and power itself off the spare hydrogen. It's not forever - there's an imbalance of gases - but it runs a longggg time before hydrogen takes over. Has anyone found neat uses for the mini pumps? I've thrown a few around in Sandbox mode but they move so little it seems pointless. The changes to the natural gas production from fertilizers is really annoying. That was a great power source to move to for the mid game before you can get into petroleum. I've never gotten a steam generator to work right so I'm not sure what the trick behind that is to make it run properly. I should probably mess around in sandbox mode some more to see if I can get a proper build together.
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Jun 13, 2018 07:15
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CuddleChunks posted:The changes to the natural gas production from fertilizers is really annoying. That was a great power source to move to for the mid game before you can get into petroleum. I've never gotten a steam generator to work right so I'm not sure what the trick behind that is to make it run properly. I should probably mess around in sandbox mode some more to see if I can get a proper build together. Pretty sure steam generator is intended as the latest, post-oil, tech for power, because it needs access to magma to work. You can only occasionally set it up earlier if you have a metal/magma volcano.
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PiCroft posted:Also, the whole "cooking increases the Kcal per food item pretty much out of nothing" blows my mind. I always thought that cooking a bristle berry would, at best, have the same kcal value and that other recipes actively reduced the kcal, so I never bothered with cooking at all. As it turns out bristle berries increase in calorie value. Ambaire posted:It shouldn't, really. Some food increasing its digestible calories when cooked is something that happens in real life, too. Yeah it's actually a known and realistic phenomenon. Especially with plant fibers as far as I'm aware. It breaks down stuff (like tough cell walls) that people would normally find hard to digest efficiently into weaker/easier to digest chemicals that our bodies can then extract nutrition from instead of just passing it through.
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Ambaire posted:It shouldn't, really. Some food increasing its digestible calories when cooked is something that happens in real life, too. Basically the calories number in OSI is the amount of calories that are available to your body, rather than the total amount of calories overall. Your body can't get everything out of a piece of food, but cooking food helps! that's why poop is nutritious for bacteria, because they can get what our bodies didn't
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Jun 13, 2018 12:56
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Calories are a unit of energy. Heating things add more energy. It's just basic science.
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Jun 13, 2018 13:46
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They increased methane gas output in geysers yesterday so it looks like they want you to further explore the map in the mid game, assuming (as in every friggin colony I've started in the last month) you don't get a NG geyser nearby.
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Jun 13, 2018 14:54
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Honestly from the previous posts all I'm hearing is that we should feed duplicants hot poop
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Jun 13, 2018 15:08
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Sandbox is pretty fun. Dupes don't swim in molten glass too good, last a surprisingly longer time than I thought, and even get automatically buried in newly formed sand 
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Lorini posted:They increased methane gas output in geysers yesterday so it looks like they want you to further explore the map in the mid game, assuming (as in every friggin colony I've started in the last month) you don't get a NG geyser nearby. I use debug mode to examine the map every time I start a new game. If I don't have one NG geyser and one steam vent relatively near, I start over.
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Jun 13, 2018 15:47
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Literally Kermit posted:Sandbox is pretty fun. Haha at the end of Cryptic Fox's latest livestream he flooded the base with molten copper. It took a surprising amount of time before we started getting those death chimes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q92XrW7f2jg&t=94m22s (The Joe he mentions in the vid is a dupe that got sacrificed to a volcano a few livestreams ago) I think it's molten glass time for my colony. 
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This just popped up for me on Steam at $15 (40% off) - it seems like an interesting enough game, but is there enough replayability to make it worth it? I've watched a couple videos and it seemed interesting enough, just can't think of anything to compare it to really.
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