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Bulkiest Toaster posted:Well hopefully the map ends up being detailed with lots of cool environmental storytelling because I guess we aren’t going to get story or quests. Thermonuclear take: This is actually Bethesda acknowledging the one thing they have always excelled at, in spite of themselves. There will be no terrible voice acting, as voice acting will be limited to a foley artist huffing helium and gargling Mountain Dew to simulate a rapidly deflating acid mole rat. There will be no terrible writing excepting the LP chronicling goon endeavors to build a giant wooden phallus that towers over the rolling hills of West Virginia. Surrounding it, a band of Jet-addled, leather daddy styled raiders exploiting emotes to gesture lewdly as the feral ghouls descend.
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For what it's worth, I think it's kind of dumb that it looks like we're getting FEV monsters in this game, but I get why they wanted to include parts of the series people are used to seeing. My brain isn't going to break because I spot an inconsistency.
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Catalyst-proof posted:People who don't care about the game the thread is about shouldn't be in the thread. the Fallout bibles for FO1/2 that got released back in the early aughts indicated a canon that was much less serious than what we currently have. people act like beth is making GBS threads on the FO lore, but FO1 was supposed to have a city of intelligent, mutant raccoons (it got cut due to time constraints). FO2 has a talking rad scorpion and an actual monty python skit all kinds of other wacky bullshit. FO76 can be bad for a lot of reasons but acting like it's going to suck because of verisimilitude is dumb as hell.
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SplitSoul posted:Thermonuclear take: This is actually Bethesda acknowledging the one thing they have always excelled at, in spite of themselves. There will be no terrible voice acting, as voice acting will be limited to a foley artist huffing helium and gargling Mountain Dew to simulate a rapidly deflating acid mole rat. There will be no terrible writing excepting the LP chronicling goon endeavors to build a giant wooden phallus that towers over the rolling hills of West Virginia. Surrounding it, a band of Jet-addled, leather daddy styled raiders exploiting emotes to gesture lewdly as the feral ghouls descend. there will still be plenty of bad voice acting and bad writing in elder scrolls VI and starfield though, they ain't acknowledging poo poo
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Jun 11, 2018 16:31
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Brother Entropy posted:the environment does make sense within the canon, though sucks to suck 
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Your Computer posted:I finally got the Bethesda.net site working and can confirm the beta seems to be for pre-orders only So the beta is an early access release that may or may not involve a character wipe at some point.
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Jun 11, 2018 16:33
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Dandywalken posted:Rideable mothman mounts please. this person gets it
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Catalyst-proof posted:sucks to suck the only part of this that has changed is the 'endless stretches of desert' part, which is a good change because that gets pretty loving same-y after 5 games of it
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Jun 11, 2018 16:33
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Oh I didn't realize this game violated the sacred paragraph of inviolable Fallout Law.
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Jun 11, 2018 16:34
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I’m glad another game is bringing the wendigo to the spotlight. Wendigos own.
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Sinteres posted:I like canon, but if someone makes a game that might be interesting and has to do something that doesn't fit exactly in line with my vision of the continuity of the series, I still think it's worth giving it a chance instead of getting bent out of shape over it. This game's going to be a side project prequel anyway, so it's unlikely to have much influence on the series going forward. If the divergence from the True History of Fallout is too big for you, just don't play it. Fallout has always made concessions with their games to focus on role-playing, tons of options in dialogue, and games that can be played many different ways by many different people. These concessions are things like graphics, the engine, bugs, and combat. This new game is going to rely entirely on all the poo poo they suck at. And the "let them try new things" argument is kind of silly since they didn't make their own fallout game for like 10 years, and the one they did release focused more on tacked on minecraft than it did on what made the series popular, and was more constraining and shallow than any other fallout game. It's fair to criticize the direction they're going with this, especially since it surely cut into the development of fallout 4 and its dlc.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I’m glad another game is bringing the wendigo to the spotlight. Wendigos own. i hope smt5 comes out this year so i can say fallout 76 is only the second best post-apocalyptic game with mothman and wendigo of 2018
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i want one of those giant sloth monsters as a mount too
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Iron Twinkie posted:So the beta is an early access release that may or may not involve a character wipe at some point. What? It's a beta. You'll probably only get to play during a short week or so window of testing.
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Volkerball posted:Fallout has always made concessions with their games to focus on role-playing, tons of options in dialogue, and games that can be played many different ways by many different people. These concessions are things like graphics, the engine, bugs, and combat. This new game is going to rely entirely on all the poo poo they suck at. And the "let them try new things" argument is kind of silly since they didn't make their own fallout game for like 10 years, and the one they did release focused more on tacked on minecraft than it did on what made the series popular, and was more constraining and shallow than any other fallout game. It's fair to criticize the direction they're going with this, especially since it surely cut into the development of fallout 4 and its dlc. Why do you think it cut into the development of Fallout 4? It's been 3 years and apparently Fallout 76 is part-developed by an entirely separate studio. There were only 2 years between 3 and New Vegas and that worked out perfectly fine.
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Catalyst-proof posted:sucks to suck maybe they thought if there was ever a nuclear war then large swathes of land in WV would survive i didnt live in the 50s, i dont know what my thoughts on nuclear holocaust and the WV landscape would have been
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cargohills posted:Why do you think it cut into the development of Fallout 4? It's been 3 years and apparently Fallout 76 is part-developed by an entirely separate studio. There were only 2 years between 3 and New Vegas and that worked out perfectly fine. Because it's 4 times the size of 4 and there's probably a massive effort required to make something like that even feasible in multiplayer under the janky confines of bethesda tech.
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Volkerball posted:Fallout has always made concessions with their games to focus on role-playing, tons of options in dialogue, and games that can be played many different ways by many different people. These concessions are things like graphics, the engine, bugs, and combat. This new game is going to rely entirely on all the poo poo they suck at. And the "let them try new things" argument is kind of silly since they didn't make their own fallout game for like 10 years, and the one they did release focused more on tacked on minecraft than it did on what made the series popular, and was more constraining and shallow than any other fallout game. It's fair to criticize the direction they're going with this, especially since it surely cut into the development of fallout 4 and its dlc. I have issues with it as a game, and would probably prefer for them to have put those resources toward something else too. I just think the environment looking too nice is a weird thing to be mad about given how many people have wanted that for years.
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I’m totally on board with the idea of the mountains of West Virginia being lush, but, like, wouldn’t that sort of mean the people who were living there when the bombs dropped would be living there still. Wouldn’t other people who survived the bombs go to the place that wasn’t nuked. “There’s literally nobody else and the vault dwellers all want to form tiny groups and kill each other” seems like literally the least interesting thing to do with the concept of a control vault in a location untouched by the bombs. I really hope that bit about there being no NPCs is an exaggeration.
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Reveilled posted:I’m totally on board with the idea of the mountains of West Virginia being lush, but, like, wouldn’t that sort of mean the people who were living there when the bombs dropped would be living there still. Wouldn’t other people who survived the bombs go to the place that wasn’t nuked. Yeah, like there are ways they can get around the "we are the first humans out." Could have mainly Ghouls in the world. Could have a bunch of quests of finding your fellow NPC Vault friends and helping them deal with issues they've run into. Could have quests built around building a small town, then finding and encouraging NPC Vault people to join it as Guards/Merchants/whatever. Could have a lot of quests about finding the other Vaults, then recruiting the people inside to your community as you basically start building East Coast Shady Sands. Should be a lot of Ghouls still, since few would have gone feral.
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Sinteres posted:I have issues with it as a game, and would probably prefer for them to have put those resources toward something else too. I just think the environment looking too nice is a weird thing to be mad about given how many people have wanted that for years. Yeah nerds gonna nerd tho.
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Fallout 76 is probably going to be bad because hell is other people. They say you can play solo, but does that just mean you can get assaulted by roaming griefers all by yourself? Not to mention the experience is on a timer because it's run off a server and subject to disappear when it has run it's course. I'm not mad they are trying something new, but they would have been wiser to shop out Obsidian for another New Vegas as a safety.
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NofrikinfuN posted:Fallout 76 is probably going to be bad because hell is other people. They say you can play solo, but does that just mean you can get assaulted by roaming griefers all by yourself? No, it definitely sounded like you can play entirely on your own, devoid of other players.
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 It's like Bethesda specifically named that part of the map after this thread
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Sinteres posted:I have issues with it as a game, and would probably prefer for them to have put those resources toward something else too. I just think the environment looking too nice is a weird thing to be mad about given how many people have wanted that for years. The reason people gave them crap about the barren wastelands thing is specifically because the games were set centuries after the war, but looked like it had been maybe twenty. Now this game is set twenty years after the war, but looks how it should centuries later. Like a lot of other things people complain about in Bethesda's work, it's a surface level response where people would prefer some depth and thought.
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Rinkles posted:No, it definitely sounded like you can play entirely on your own, devoid of other players. todd said it's Always Online at one point
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the "its actually a prequel" is a cop out for not having a story imo.
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Brother Entropy posted:todd said it's Always Online at one point Yes, unfortunately, the two aren't contradictory.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:the Fallout bibles for FO1/2 that got released back in the early aughts indicated a canon that was much less serious than what we currently have. people act like beth is making GBS threads on the FO lore, but FO1 was supposed to have a city of intelligent, mutant raccoons (it got cut due to time constraints). FO2 has a talking rad scorpion and an actual monty python skit all kinds of other wacky bullshit. One of the primary reasons I finished Fallout 1 at all is that Doctor Who dropped me a stealth boy.
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Rinkles posted:No, it definitely sounded like you can play entirely on your own, devoid of other players. I could make this work, though it sounds like content might be thin? Also, having bad internet means I get to introduce latency to my single player game, but them's the breaks.
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afkmacro posted:Power armor edition already sold out? are you kidding me
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Brother Entropy posted:todd said it's Always Online at one point I think the wording was "entirely online" but yeah. Still doesn't rule out there being a single-player mode though, but I guess we'll see.
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Make there be an instanced, single-player-only save file option or I ain't buying it.
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Rinkles posted:What? It's a beta. You'll probably only get to play during a short week or so window of testing. Yeah, Bethesda would never let a beta go on long enough to actually fix bugs before release.
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You can play 'solo' like any other game created with multiplayer as its central loop. It won't be fun, but you can do it. As far as I can tell from the videos, you're directed by the overseer (possibly some immortal AI in the vault?) to do quests in order to progress. I don't know how they plan on telling a story without actual NPCs to interact with, so it sounds like the solo experience will consist of mostly killing mutants, blowing things up, and going on scavenger hunts. Since we're so far gone from the Black Isle/Obsidian 'good writing' incarnations, I kind of like the concept of nuking bits of the map to irradiate them and make them more fallout-y. I don't have friends to play games with though so it's unlikely I'll ever play this.
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my guess is that it will require you to connect to their servers to play, but you can opt out of players in your game ala Dark Souls, etc.
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Rinkles posted:No, it definitely sounded like you can play entirely on your own, devoid of other players. I mean always-online and "Where every other human is reeeeeal man" doesn't paint an optimistic picture on that end, it does sound a bit more angled at "Oh yeah of course you can play solo (And get monkey stomped by everyone ganged up)" than anything else.
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Gaspy Conana posted:I don't have friends 
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