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BananaNutkins posted:After hating Gardens, loving Deadhouse Gates, hating Memories of Ice, I started reading the one that introduced Karsa and he's just riding around raping everything and killing children, so it may be love again? Reminder that 1.they're not actually children and 2. you're very much being set up for a subversion of expectations with Karsa. (Though those are actually spoilers for you BananaNutkins, don't go there, it's more for the entertainment of others.)
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BananaNutkins posted:After hating Gardens, loving Deadhouse Gates, hating Memories of Ice, I started reading the one that introduced Karsa and he's just riding around raping everything and killing children, so it may be love again? You didn't like Memories of Ice?  Well in any case, Karsa is absolutely one of my favorite characters of the series so far, and that seems to be the case for most other people as well. In other news, as much as I miss Tehol and Bugg now that I've moved on to Bonehunters, holy crap it's nice to have Karsa, Iskaral Pust, and all the other old characters back. That scene where Karsa takes on the weird reptile monster in the keep had me yelling in my car.
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Jun 8, 2018 13:30
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The Crippled God has been sitting on my bedside table for over a year collecting dust. The last I remember it was really tough to get into. I've finally picked it back up and have dug into the first 200 pages without effort. Maybe I just needed a break from this writing style? Can't wait to finish it/dont' want it to end.
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Jun 8, 2018 16:12
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Shockeh posted:Reminder that 1.they're not actually children and 2. you're very much being set up for a subversion of expectations with Karsa. Yeah, I got that the "children" were just regular humans, which I thought was an awesome way to describe the size/age differences
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Jun 8, 2018 17:30
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I'm a 1/3rd through Bonehunters and this is a good book. It took me a year to pick the series back up after really disliking Midnight Tides.
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Jun 8, 2018 19:18
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I'm starting to think that nachts might be the secret behind the entire series. Those little bastards are everywhere, they've got to be up to something.
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Jun 8, 2018 20:02
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Am I the only one who finds Karsa really boring? His story in House of Chains is great but I was pretty sick of him by the time he showed up in Bonehunters.
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Jun 8, 2018 23:29
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diapermeat posted:The Crippled God has been sitting on my bedside table for over a year collecting dust. The last I remember it was really tough to get into. I've finally picked it back up and have dug into the first 200 pages without effort. Maybe I just needed a break from this writing style? Can't wait to finish it/dont' want it to end. When most Malazan books are a majority build up and then a convergence, TCG is just a short build up and then all convergence everywhere. Just non-stop epic
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Jun 9, 2018 10:05
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NoNostalgia4Grover posted:Kruppe is the 3-in-1 Shield Anvil/Destriant/Mortal Sword of the Warren of Pastry. As long as pastries, or any kind of delicious baked goods exist, good friend Kruppe cannot be defeated. By anyone. Except possibly by good friend Kruppe's empty stomach. He gets his rear end handed to him on a regular basis by his donkey. zokie posted:When most Malazan books are a majority build up and then a convergence, TCG is just a short build up and then all convergence everywhere. Just non-stop epic It is not surprising given that the rest of the series is a build up to this and TCG is the convergence.
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Jun 9, 2018 10:55
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Read update: Karsa's gaining sympathy cred by being a real cool dude to crippled doggies. Also the scene where the human guy talks him into drowning the other prisoners was sweet.
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Jun 9, 2018 15:37
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So blood-oil is like crack viagra that makes chicks want to screw everyone, and horses love it too. Karsa just raped a normal sized chick with his presumably telephone pole sized rod, but she'll probably live because crack viagra also heals you. Is there anything this stuff cant do? And do we ever see what it's made from?
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Jun 11, 2018 00:40
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BananaNutkins posted:So blood-oil is like crack viagra that makes chicks want to screw everyone, and horses love it too. Karsa just raped a normal sized chick with his presumably telephone pole sized rod, but she'll probably live because crack viagra also heals you. Is there anything this stuff cant do? And do we ever see what it's made from? isn't it basically just sap from the trees they make their indestructible bloodwood swords from or some poo poo
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Jun 11, 2018 00:48
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In House of Chains they imply Blood oil is otataral or is at least in part, guess no one in Quan Tali never tried eating it..
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Jun 11, 2018 01:38
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It's sap from bloodwood trees and (small spoiler HoC)some otataral from nearby cliffs that the Teblor discovered, which also explains the increased healing.
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Jun 11, 2018 01:39
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Honestly the Karsa stuff is super weird and while I do like how his character develops I could do without the gleeful raping spree
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Jun 11, 2018 01:57
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Look when you're out on a survey in northern Manitoba and it's just you and your gurps buddy for months at a time the campaign can get weird, ok???
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Jun 11, 2018 04:02
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I honestly really enjoy the subversion of the Conan archetype that Karsa goes through and I think it would be a really great standalone novel but it seems kind of out of place as the first third of a Malazan novel. Once all the raping is done though his character arc is pretty engrossing.
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Jun 11, 2018 05:09
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I think you have to keep in mind Erikson really likes to gently caress with the "noble savage" trope. Culminating in  the hobbling of HetanWhile still putting the crimes of civilization on display of course.
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Jun 11, 2018 08:30
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zokie posted:I think you have to keep in mind Erikson really likes to gently caress with the "noble savage" trope. Culminating in I remember being sort of on board with early barghast stuff until that point and decided the barghast were, in fact, not good.
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Jun 11, 2018 21:33
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early Karsa is fun
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Jun 11, 2018 22:08
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Does he still want to destroy civilization at the end? I forget.
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Jun 11, 2018 23:48
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Ccs posted:Does he still want to destroy civilization at the end? I forget. Going from Karsa's reaction to seeing homeless people dying in the streets from The Crippled God, oh gently caress yes.
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Jun 12, 2018 00:21
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Ccs posted:Does he still want to destroy civilization at the end? I forget. He's basically gone from ancap to ancom, which I can respect
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Schwza posted:I remember being sort of on board with early barghast stuff until that point and decided the barghast were, in fact, not good. Best understatement of the thread.
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Jun 12, 2018 02:38
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Schwza posted:I remember being sort of on board with early barghast stuff until that point and decided the barghast were, in fact, not good. The part about the Barghast is a lot more visible in MoI after having read the Hetan thing. First time around you think “oh these rowdy barbarians”, second time you notice all the bad things that were present all along. The Barghast characters we meet, Hetans brother and dad and Hetan, are all people trying to change the Barghast.
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Jun 12, 2018 05:59
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Cardiac posted:The part about the Barghast is a lot more visible in MoI after having read the Hetan thing. First time around you think “oh these rowdy barbarians”, second time you notice all the bad things that were present all along. Just the other week I was watching a show about a weird African volcano that seeps black lava. There's a huge tribe that believes it's sacred, and I was reading about them. After a lot of cool poo poo, we hit how they are super into female genital mutilation, and refuse to ever stop, and a bunch of other awful poo poo like torture for coming-of-age and I was just all  But I thought about MBotF.
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Jun 12, 2018 13:23
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The Imass were pretty chill I thought? Apart from the genocide.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:The Imass were pretty chill I thought? The genocide as in singular? Cause besides Jaghut, they exterminated a bunch of wild life and as Tlan they have genocided a whole bunch of civilizations.
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Cardiac posted:The genocide as in singular? The ecological collapse was through incompetence rather than design. Arguably not even incompetence - it's not like they had a working understanding of ecology at the time, they weren't to know the knock-on effects of their hunting. What other civilisations did they wipe out? The Jaghut were understandable, and the First Empire wasn't really a civilisation by the time the....Y'know, that's not really a persuasive argument. Maybe they aren't so chill.
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What do you mean understandable lmao
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Sure, 300k years later, a lot of them are going "you know maybe we ... made some mistakes?" But you can't overlook how they made themselves into immortal undead just so they could get better at pogrom-ing, in the first place.
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Also aren't the Barghast like direct cultural descendents of the Imass so probably a lot of those traditions and hosed up customs were passed down from the Imass. I don't recall them being that chill in flashbacks from Tool/Onrack either really.
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Jun 12, 2018 20:39
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Yeah maybe I'm just projecting the two or three very chill Imass onto their entire race.
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Googling some parts of this discussion led me to this the other day which was an interesting read, basically Erikson talking about why he wrote Karsa the way he did: http://www.steven-erikson.com/index.php/the-problem-of-karsa-orlong/
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Yeah maybe I'm just projecting the two or three very chill Imass onto their entire race. I think that is a general issue with the series, we meet some cool characters from a tribe/group/country and then it turns out they are the exceptions. Looking at you Iron Bars. Also Kilava exists.
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I totally understand people getting squeamish about the Karsa opening, but it was such a loving shock to what I expected of the series at that point that it stands as one of my favourite sections. It’s even better once you realize how unreliable the narration is.
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snoremac posted:I totally understand people getting squeamish about the Karsa opening, but it was such a loving shock to what I expected of the series at that point that it stands as one of my favourite sections. It’s even better once you realize how unreliable the narration is.
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pile of brown posted:Also aren't the Barghast like direct cultural descendents of the Imass so probably a lot of those traditions and hosed up customs were passed down from the Imass. I don't recall them being that chill in flashbacks from Tool/Onrack either really. Yeah, there was that bit that implied Any sort of failure was met with expulsion from the tribe, and that failure included getting hurt on a hunt. I'm currently going through Toll the Hounds and I am so glad I"m listening to it instead of reading it. It's much easier to put up with chapter after chapter of everyone wanting to suck Rake's dick to get to the chapters with Bridgeburner or Grundle and Mappo's Exceleent Adventure when it's a passive experience.
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I just hit the big jump in House of Chains and really wish I hadn't. The story was much more compelling when I didn't have to remember who each of these Deadhouse Gates characters are and their alliances.
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Help I am listening to House of Chains on audiobook and this motherfucker pronounces every name wrong and is overusing this one dumb accent and he's using a dumb growly voice for Dancer
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