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Why would CD Projekt Red make a colorful urban open world game, don't they know they'll just produce an off-brand GTA that won't even have GTA's brand of brilliant original satire (billboard for fake Sprite that's named "semen", radio station where Anthony Cumia yells at you, etc.)?
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Hat Thoughts posted:That Cyberpunk trailer suggests more empathy for poor people than any moment in GTA V. It fetishizes poverty. That's not the same as empathy. All cyberpunk fetishizes poverty though, see Gibson's Bridge Trilogy. His version of a lawless place of extreme poverty and transience is basically "Burning Man with 7-11s" and he makes it sound preferable to living in actual, modern day LA. That's probably the point, in that specific case, because of how the events of the trilogy go down. In most cyberpunk, the fetishization of poverty is empty and without commentary. It's "Common People". "Dance and drink and screw, because there's nothing else to do" ... "because you think that poor is cool".
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Jun 12, 2018 12:55
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precision posted:It fetishizes poverty. That's not the same as empathy. I heard there's a scene in the Cyberpunk game where the main character hits rock bottom and gets propositioned on the street. Thankfully they're supported by a bunch of kindly homeless people.
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Jun 12, 2018 13:05
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Resident Evil 2 remake looks sick and is everything I'd hoped for and more. Tank control style has perished in the winnowing of history! Also, Yakuza Zero on Steam! Everything's comin up robot!
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Jun 12, 2018 13:18
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Death Stranding had me really enthralled until the end where somehow the walk in constant Big Boss crouch happened again. Though perhaps that’s he comedic moment where something familiar gets destroyed since you just straight up see Reedus’ character get pulled into the ground after his Solid Snake impression. I’m curious what FromSoftware is doing with Deracine, RE2 Remake looks great.
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Jun 12, 2018 13:26
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I just want to play a Kojima designed mpreg fetish game okay
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Jun 12, 2018 13:44
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It’s fine calm down Gonna play Killer7 pc port too.
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Jun 12, 2018 13:49
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precision posted:It fetishizes poverty. That's not the same as empathy. But doesn't cyberpunk also fetishize the poor rising up against the elites? I think we need more of that tbh
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Dissapointed Owl posted:But doesn't cyberpunk also fetishize the poor rising up against the elites? I think we need more of that tbh I won't claim to be super well-read on cyberpunk, but what I have read, seen and played is not generally revolutionary in character because it stays within the constraints of capitalist logic. Instead, it posits lawlessness, a return to early primitive accumulation, where the poor can become wealthy by entering into criminality and/or violence. It sort of levels the playing field, but capitalist competition is still the rule of the day. It appears revolutionary in some respects because rich people are potentially being killed, but in fact it's a reactionary fantasy.
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Jun 12, 2018 14:05
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Yeah the only cyberpunk story I can think of explicitly about revolution would be The Matrix Strange Days is cyberpunk about evil cops but it still has a Good Police Commissioner
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Jun 12, 2018 14:15
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Anonymous Robot posted:Resident Evil 2 remake looks sick and is everything I'd hoped for and more. Tank control style has perished in the winnowing of history! gently caress yeah. Be sure to play Zero before Kiwami.
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Jun 12, 2018 14:23
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Most cyberpunk doesn't want revolution because, as bad as the "low class" has it, it's always implied to be far more interesting and "real" than the lives of the Power Elite. Mona Lisa Overdrive is the best example of this. It shows how lovely poverty can be in Mona's initial stories of the catfish farm in Tennessee and her abusive pimp, but also shows that "poverty" of the sort the guys who live in The Rust have can be good. Kumiko's insulation in wealth is clearly less interesting to her than going on adventures with Molly, and when Mona's story goes into... the place it does... you see how the wealthy are kind of miserably alien (which you also obviously get in the storyline with Tess and the voodoo AI/gods)
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Jun 12, 2018 14:23
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I saw First Reformed the other day. It seems mostly good (really not a fan of how it ends) but it's way too Christian for me to completely get. Has anyone with a, uh, deeper knowledge of Christian theology seen it?
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Jun 12, 2018 14:30
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Hand Knit posted:I saw First Reformed the other day. It seems mostly good (really not a fan of how it ends) but it's way too Christian for me to completely get. Has anyone with a, uh, deeper knowledge of Christian theology seen it? If you’re looking to understand it better, it draws heavily from Kierkegaard’s The Sickness Unto Death, but that’s a great book and First Reformed is kind of bad.
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Jun 12, 2018 14:35
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Book chat: I've read Catcher in the Rye three times, once on my own in 7th grade, once for class in 10th grade, and again after I graduated college. The older I get the more I appreciate it and I absolutely think it's a novel that works better when you have distance from your teenage years. Holden's a sad, hosed up kid dealing with a lot of trauma and I think a lot of students get told you're supposed to relate to him. The book I hated reading in class was Great Expectations, which I had to read parts of again in college and confirmed that I just hate that novel (good David Lean movie though). Also I'm with y'all who said Great Gatsby is meh, I'll stand with you on that.
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Jun 12, 2018 14:37
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Anonymous Robot posted:If you’re looking to understand it better, it draws heavily from Kierkegaard’s The Sickness Unto Death, but that’s a great book and First Reformed is kind of bad. It was fun watching it in upstate New York, and then the next day driving past a rotted but still operating large Christian centre called Abundant Life.
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Jun 12, 2018 14:39
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Most cyberpunk is more about the horror of late capitalism than presenting an alternative. The classic tone is basically defiance without hope -- the best outcome for your average protagonist is getting out of trouble and living a relatively normal life (this is where Case in Neuromancer ends up) or maybe spitting in the eye of your oppressors. The example I always cite, even before the Sprawl trilogy or whatever is Dogfight. It's a story about an oppressed underdog, yes, but he's also a nasty little poo poo who perpetuates the suffering of everyone around him just so he can feel like he's winning.
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Jun 12, 2018 14:43
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Anonymous Robot posted:Resident Evil 2 remake looks sick and is everything I'd hoped for and more. Tank control style has perished in the winnowing of history! The funny thing is that RE4 is also controlled tank style. It's just that you are slightly behind the tank, rather than looking down on an RC tank.
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Jun 12, 2018 14:46
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The funny thing is that RE4 is also controlled tank style. It's just that you are slightly behind the tank, rather than looking down on an RC tank. True. I still hold that RE6 is the absolute height of control for 3rd person shooters, an unrecognized paradigm shift the rest are still catching up to.
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Jun 12, 2018 15:14
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Tank controls aren't bad, and I think Evil Within 2 was likely still using them-- nope, dead, so that's wrong. It's comparable to people who don't see the point in classic Castlevania's controls. The camera switch really was what was good about changing the games relative to the shooting/action element. This definitely expanded on how future games could better emphasize shooting as the "test", and Mikami got really creative with that during development of Killer7 and Resident Evil 4.
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Jun 12, 2018 15:16
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Anonymous Robot posted:True. I still hold that RE6 is the absolute height of control for 3rd person shooters, an unrecognized paradigm shift the rest are still catching up to. RE6 is an absolutely preposterous game, I couldn't finish it (partly because it's way too goddamn long).
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Jun 12, 2018 15:25
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Should I be high for Hereditary or is that way too much?
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Jun 12, 2018 15:33
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Way too much.
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Jun 12, 2018 15:34
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:RE6 is an absolutely preposterous game, I couldn't finish it (partly because it's way too goddamn long). It sucks rear end in a lot of ways, but the mercenaries mode is like some kind of manic neo Final Fight.
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Jun 12, 2018 15:34
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I respect its ambition for having like 6 entirely separate campaigns all with different tones but it was just way over the top for me.
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Jun 12, 2018 15:43
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Just like Sonic Adventure 1!
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The sad thing is that RE6 went over somewhat poorly, so we’ll never get the Jake-centric character action game promised by the ending stinger.
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Jun 12, 2018 15:59
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Hat Thoughts posted:Why would CD Projekt Red make a colorful urban open world game, don't they know they'll just produce an off-brand GTA that won't even have GTA's brand of brilliant original satire (billboard for fake Sprite that's named "semen", radio station where Anthony Cumia yells at you, etc.)? and watchdogs 2 already did gta but better a few years ago
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Jun 12, 2018 16:02
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In Take Shelter Shannon is willing to risk everything he has to protect his wife and child(ren? It’s been a while). He knows how he appears to everyone and he is willing to risk his friends and reputation to do what he thinks is necessary. Right or wrong, he is a good person.
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Jun 12, 2018 16:05
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Voodoofly posted:In Take Shelter Shannon is willing to risk everything he has to protect his wife and child(ren? It’s been a while). He knows how he appears to everyone and he is willing to risk his friends and reputation to do what he thinks is necessary. I don’t think anyone was arguing against that but when I hear “movies where he plays a good guy” i’m thinking of a much more traditional type of protagonist.
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Jun 12, 2018 16:11
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corn in the bible posted:and watchdogs 2 already did gta but better a few years ago I mean if we want to talk "GTA but better", Saints Row 2-4 clowns all over GTA V. (Granted 4 is not entirely in the same genre but whatever, still a better sandbox game.)
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Jun 12, 2018 16:14
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Complaining people are hyped for a game you don't even think looks bad is always a pretty miserable take. I'm also sure I've done it.
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Maxwell Lord posted:I mean if we want to talk "GTA but better", Saints Row 2-4 clowns all over GTA V. (Granted 4 is not entirely in the same genre but whatever, still a better sandbox game.) i meant the direct half-assed parodies of real world stuff, which gta seems to try very hard at but saint's row was never really about. like there's a mission in wd2 where you have to drive a bus for google (so you can rob them) and everyone on the bus talks about their new juiceros and how much they love ginseng, and the main villain is an annoying techbro who is always depicted doing yoga or jogging. it is charmingly unsubtle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIB85xpVZVM corn in the bible fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jun 12, 2018 |
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Jun 12, 2018 16:32
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GTA V has a mission where you murder Steve Jobs (by blowing up his head with a hacked phone) to manipulate the stock market.
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Jun 12, 2018 16:35
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Red Dead Redemption was better than any GTA game and I’m more hyped for RDR2 than anything.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The funny thing is that RE4 is also controlled tank style. It's just that you are slightly behind the tank, rather than looking down on an RC tank. RE4 is an incredibly well executed game that managed to make inventory tetris and escort missions fun. The controls work because the rest of the game is designed around making it work.
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Jun 12, 2018 16:37
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Red Dead Redemption was better than any GTA game and I’m more hyped for RDR2 than anything. Still no Bully 2 though.
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Jun 12, 2018 16:39
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I don’t think anyone was arguing against that but when I hear “movies where he plays a good guy” i’m thinking of a much more traditional type of protagonist. Fair enough. Shannon and traditional protagonist is surely one of the smaller Venn diagrams in holllywood Edit: so is he a good guy in shotgun stories?
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Jun 12, 2018 16:41
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Red Dead Redemption was better than any GTA game and I’m more hyped for RDR2 than anything. Once again Rockstar betrays the PC gamer.
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Bar Crow posted:RE4 is an incredibly well executed game that managed to make inventory tetris and escort missions fun. The controls work because the rest of the game is designed around making it work. The genius of RE4 is its simplicity. Every change they made was just similar enough to be reminiscent of the previous games but different enough to totally distinguish it.
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