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now it's coming out that his injury at the tail end of the voluntary practices was actually just him sitting out. he hasn't talked up a storm like bell so who knows if he wants to take the top off the pay scale or just get paid a little more fairly
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Yeah he wasn't really expected to be nearly so good and also was expected to sit behind a couple other guys for a while, but Chris Johnson and Andre Ellington both went down pretty early in his first season. He was a third rounder so not an awful contract but nothing near RB1 money. He's already been hurt badly and also that he's expected to shoulder a huge burden of carries this season; he could very well be ruined before he even gets his first real contract. So this is a smart move for him imo. If the team is going to ride you hard then they need to pay you accordingly
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Get paid, DJ.
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Trade DJ to the Rams
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DariusLikewise posted:Trade DJ to the Rams You have the best ideas
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i like how the video of luck is from a distance, at a lovely angle, from behind we need a panel of cryptozoologists to determine its authenticity
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Chase Daniel has a ten million dollar contract. It's criminal what teams do to running backs. Who helps their team more, Chase Daniel or David loving Beast rear end Johnson
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Yeah, the NFL contract system mega-fucks running backs because they have the shortest careers. If you declare at 22 you'll be 26 or 27 at the end of your rookie deal, then can be franchise for two years at a cost controlled rate because every other RB is also going through this, so the franchise tag is pretty cheap. At which point they'll be 28 or 29 which is already in the middle of the downslope of RB's effectiveness. Like here's the # of RB's that put up a 1000 rushing yards / 4.0 carry since the merger. (Which isn't exactly some crazy high bar) Age - # 23 - 51 24 - 66 25 - 69 26 - 72 27 - 49 28 - 45 29 - 24 30 - 18 31 - 11 32 - 4 33+ - 0 As a side note, the Seahawks should probably extend Earl Thomas on the other hand, as all time great safeties have had this uncanny knack for staying healthy into their mid 30's that most defensive guys don't. Kalli fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jun 12, 2018 |
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Jun 12, 2018 21:12
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Rookie contracts are too long.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Rookie contracts are too long. hot take: make rookie contracts literally one year it's the least they can do since these guys don't get to pick their employer
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SKULL.GIF posted:Rookie contracts are too long. No argument here. I'd like them to compromise down to 3 years, and change restricted free agency rules to get rid of the 1st round tag (that's what the franchise tag should be), and upping the contract values. I think teams would see a lot more free agency poaching / trades if the most you could claw back from a RFA was a 2nd round pick, and make free agency a pretty nuts time in general with how many good players would be available. Also I'd love to see the franchise tag changed so the player had a choice in the matter. Make it so they can pick a 1 / 3 / 5 year contract at de-escalating salary levels. The franchise tag is supposed to be a team declaring a player a franchise player... if he is that then he should be able to choose to have a 5 year contract right?
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Raku posted:hot take: make rookie contracts literally one year
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A huge part of why veterans have a hard time getting paid nowadays unless they're elite is exactly because of how long and cheap rookie contracts are, and this problem is most obvious and most severe at the RB position I would set rookie contracts to 2 years for rounds 3-7 and 3 years for rounds 1-2. Kalli posted:No argument here. I'd like them to compromise down to 3 years, and change restricted free agency rules to get rid of the 1st round tag (that's what the franchise tag should be), and upping the contract values. This also works, and I like that option for changing the franchise tag. When is the next CBA negotiation?
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SKULL.GIF posted:A huge part of why veterans have a hard time getting paid nowadays unless they're elite is exactly because of how long and cheap rookie contracts are, and this problem is most obvious and most severe at the RB position After the 2020 season, and it's probably gonna be really ugly.
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3-4 years is too long from a "what rookies get paid" standpoint but about right from a "figure out if this player will be valuable" standpoint (many positions take a year or two to develop). Raise the rookie pay scale and put in built-in escalators based on play time, awards, and pro bowl appearances in the rookie contract structure to ensure that strong play is rewarded without having to negotiate for a larger deal.Kalli posted:After the 2020 season, and it's probably gonna be really ugly. lol if you think the players aren't just gonna get hosed over even harder again
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quote:Andrew Luck (shoulder) was throwing a high school ball in Tuesday's minicamp session. Luck was actually throwing a nerf vortex whistler
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wyoak posted:wouldn't that screw over a huge number of rookies instead of helping them How so?
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Intruder posted:How so? most rookies take time to develop and/or don't pan out, so you'd be screwing the majority of players who don't go on to be stars and get large second deals who right now get multiyear guaranteed contracts. I see the angle of "rookies who overplay their contracts get screwed" but they are a small percentage compared to "rookies who underplay their contracts or get hurt and still get paid."
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my simmering take is that i'd massively increase the performance pool. like half the cap
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TheChirurgeon posted:3-4 years is too long from a "what rookies get paid" standpoint but about right from a "figure out if this player will be valuable" standpoint (many positions take a year or two to develop). Raise the rookie pay scale and put in built-in escalators based on play time, awards, and pro bowl appearances in the rookie contract structure to ensure that strong play is rewarded without having to negotiate for a larger deal. Even if they were compensated fairly for their play, long rookie contracts still screw the mid-tier veterans who are (or would be) valuable mortar for a team since it's still a better idea to go for a rookie contract. If he doesn't play well then you pay him pennies, if he plays well then you have him locked down for half a decade, whereas a vet from FA will want both, not just one or the other.
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The problem isn't directly rookies who overplay their contract (though that is a factor), it's that loading up on cheap contracts and hoping one of them breaks out is a much safer and cheaper move than picking up veterans from FA. Look at what the Packers did in 2017 with their running backs and what they're doing in 2018 with their wide receivers.
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hifi posted:my simmering take is that i'd massively increase the performance pool. like half the cap That would be cool, but it's funny to think of the unintended consequences. Like players getting insanely pissed about being subbed out or being an injury scratch / inactive. TheChirurgeon posted:lol if you think the players aren't just gonna get hosed over even harder again Oh they probably will, but it'll be a long bitter fight regardless.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Even if they were compensated fairly for their play, long rookie contracts still screw the mid-tier veterans who are (or would be) valuable mortar for a team since it's still a better idea to go for a rookie contract. If he doesn't play well then you pay him pennies, if he plays well then you have him locked down for half a decade, whereas a vet from FA will want both, not just one or the other. Yeah, I see that. Though it depends on the veteran--they have the advantage of being very contract-flexible, with more escalators, signing bonus options, the ability to sign for one or two years or be franchised if they turn out to be really good. I think we're going to start seeing teams that see value in those mid-tier free agents, especially as the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of draft picks. The Steelers signing Joe Haden last year comes to mind as an example of this.
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veterans also have the advantage of all the money they made before they were veterans. i'm really on the fence about who's getting screwed with the current contract situation, but with a guy like david johnson it's really apparent that if he gets forced into betting on himself with a bridge deal that's also got a prove it salary level then he is completely hosed if he gets hurt and GMs think he has the "easily injured" skill. e: whoops, pressed submit accidentally. my last thought is, is ~69k a completely valid amount of money to pay for purely the potential as the last pick in the draft? sure NCAA players deserve to be paid but right now that's your only guaranteed reward for being good enough to be drafted. I think all draft contracts should be fully guaranteed based on that. hifi fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jun 12, 2018 |
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womp womp https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1006638014469111808
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https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1006637449425154053 lol
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2nd round pick, ditched by 2 teams before taking a snap lol
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Please go to Miami, please please please
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Best of luck to Hack in the XFL
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piss tape israel posted:Best of luck to Hack in the AFFL
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I'm just trying to picture Gruden and his offensive staff watching Hack throw.
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poo poo. We apparently don't get the 7 now...
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Kalli posted:I'm just trying to picture Gruden and his offensive staff watching Hack throw. he definitely threw a job straight into gruden's face, otherwise karma isn't real
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SKULL.GIF posted:The problem isn't directly rookies who overplay their contract (though that is a factor), it's that loading up on cheap contracts and hoping one of them breaks out is a much safer and cheaper move than picking up veterans from FA. Sammy Watkins and Tyreek Hill are both 24 years old. Tyreek has outscored Sammy both his years at least fantasy-wise to give an indication of value. Sammy's contract is 48 million Tyreek's is 2.5 million The draft slot rookie contracts are insane. The logic is, under-perform and get traded but be a former first round pick with ability I guess.
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Nooooooo He must take the field
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Oh yeah, they should also just get rid of the compensation pick system and just add an 8th round of the draft. It's a system that doesn't address what it was designed for an just gives teams like the Patriots / Ravens a billion extra mid round draft picks.
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Can't whack the Hack if he never see's the field
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Make 1st round contracts 3 years with a team option and make every round below that 2 years only
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Nooooooo I want to see it so goddamn bad.
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